why is it so important to christians that jesus was god and not just a prophet?

why is it so important to christians that jesus was god and not just a prophet?

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  1. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Stop quoting Dostoyevsky and explain yourself
    Lol, loved this phrase

  2. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    That's literally what Muslims do.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Because the Bible states it

  3. 7 months ago
    Worker

    Because a prophet wouldn't be able to die for the sins of the world.

    The coming of Jesus, the Son of God, was prophesied of hundreds of years before His coming:
    >For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
    Isaiah 9:6

    If we deny that Christ is God, we deny salvation. Because to be saved, we must recognise who God is and what He has done for us.

    >Waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,
    Titus 2:13

    >In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life,[a] and the life was the light of men. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.

    6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 He came as a witness, to bear witness about the light, that all might believe through him. 8 He was not the light, but came to bear witness about the light.

    9 The true light, which gives light to everyone, was coming into the world. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made through him, yet the world did not know him. 11 He came to his own,[b] and his own people[c] did not receive him. 12 But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, 13 who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.
    John 1

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Because to be saved, we must recognise who God is and what He has done for us
      Couldn't he send his Son to save us, but his Son not being himself?

      • 7 months ago
        Worker

        That doesn't make any sense. Being the "Son of God" means that He is God – Jesus is God.

        The being of God consists of three persons of God – Father, Son, Spirit. Each of these persons is God. You need to understand the difference between a being and a person.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          Not really. A son of a tall person isn't necessarily tall himself, for example.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          Aren't humans God's children? Does that make us God as well? What's the material difference?

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          I meant why couldn't God sent anyone to save us that wasn't God itself

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Because Jesus claimed to be God in John 8:58.
        >Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”
        Upon saying this, the people who heard him tried to stone him. Why? The answer is in Exodus 3:14
        >God said to Moses, “I am who I am.[a] This is what you are to say to the Israelites: ‘I am has sent me to you.’”
        Thus, Jesus claimed to be God.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          That was not my question

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            how can God have a son? he isn't human, he doesn't make babies. To be The Father is to be The Son.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            I meant why sending a being that was not God itself couldn't be done to save us?

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Jesus suffered like a human. It shows God is willing to walk the walk, not just talk the talk.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Because a prophet wouldn't be able to die for the sins of the world.
      why

      • 7 months ago
        Ο Σολιταίρ

        many denominations fail to give a comprehensive explanation as to how Jesus paid for our sins;
        but I'll be brief; Christ died a physical death for every man, and a spiritual death for every man in Hell.
        Christ, as infinite God paid an infinite atonement for all sins of all men for all time in infinite Hell, and by the omnipotence of God The Father, himself as God the Son, and by God The Holy Ghost, he resurrected the third day, after having spent an infinitude "in the heart of the earth"

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          Why couldn't a normal man do that?

          Because no human but Jesus was without sin. It doesn't matte how righteous someone is, they have at some point in their lives sinned.

          And?

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Because no human but Jesus was without sin. It doesn't matte how righteous someone is, they have at some point in their lives sinned.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Because no human but Jesus was without sin.
          what about mary

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            She was a good person, but she surely had sinned at some point in her life. The belief that she wasn't is Catholic cope, just like them saying Jesus had no biological siblings.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Good question

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Jesus is the son of God, which means he is also God.
      That makes no fricking sense. There are several scriptures that state that Jesus is the son of God but none that state he is. I don't understand how you can come to the conclusion that Jesus is somehow God.

      John 6:38
      John 7:16
      John 14:28
      Luke 3:21, 22
      The verse from Luke is the most important because as Jesus is being baptized the heavens literally open up and God himself calls down to Jesus and says "You are my son" It doesn't any more clear than that. Jesus and God are 2 separate entities. There is God AND his son Jesus. Jesus was a perfect man born to flesh from a virgin thus he is a worthy sacrifice for our sins because he never commit sin. If Jesus was God then how did he get ressurected? If he is God then therefore he had to ressurect himself which means he couldn't have been dead because in the bible is states "The dead know nothing at all".

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        The first gospel had Jesus get adopted by god. There was a sect that took that at its word and christshits had them all slaughtered.

  4. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because that's who Jesus said he was? Obviously the followers of Christ care about what he taught.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      controversial

  5. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >why is Christianity so important to Christians

  6. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because we believe it is true.

  7. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Speaking as a nonchristian, this is maybe the stupidest question I have ever seen. Why is it important to Muslims muhammed was a pro0het and not some goatfricker?

  8. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    because you dont get to heaven by following sharia. you get to heaven by repenting and acknowledging christ is lord.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Why?

  9. 7 months ago
    Ο Σολιταίρ

    How could a prophet forgive us our sin?

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      We don't need a prophet to forgive us of our sins
      All we need is God
      We don't need a God man

      • 7 months ago
        Ο Σολιταίρ

        you're prepared to pay for your own sins?

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          No? I'm saying that God himself is forgiving sins, where do you get this 'prepared to pay for your own sins' thing from? Are you saying that God cannot forgive sins?

          • 7 months ago
            Ο Σολιταίρ

            does God just forgive sins for nothing?

            what if someone commits A murder?
            can you unmurder someone?

            what if you... lie? can you unlie?

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            There are cases where a man is drunk and driving
            He is speeding and driving in a very risky way
            He hits someone, maybe a grandmother, maybe a child, maybe a pregnant woman and kills that person
            The surviving family are in a terrible state after having lost their loved one
            The man who killed their loved one is given a sentence by the legal system and now the family has to cope and make sense of what has happened
            It's strange but one thing that often happens is that the surviving family will forgive the man who is responsible for the death
            That doesn't mean that they have to be friends or even friendly, you could still resent what happened but try to forgive that person for their actions
            Often the circumstances of that person's life helps us forgive people
            For example
            The man was molested as a child
            The man was beaten by his father and ended up hooked on drugs
            The woman had an abusive husband
            Once forgiveness is achieved the loved one is still dead, they don't magically become alive again
            Most of the time this forgiveness is performed in order to help the individual grieve instead of holding on to a lifetime of resentment
            They may also feel that it was a terrible accident and that the man should be allowed to move on and not suffer from it the rest of his life

          • 7 months ago
            Ο Σολιταίρ

            Are any of these forgivers omnibenevolent though?
            If one is infinitely good (and perfectly righteous), what does he feel in the presence of sin?

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            does God just forgive sins for nothing?
            Is there a reason why he couldn't? If someone hits you do you need to hit them just as hard before you forgive them?

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            He theoretically could, but that clearly isn't how he wants it done for whatever reason.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            It would be unjust.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Isn't that what Jesus was supposed to do though

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        We don't need it, but once we have it we could use it.
        Why should God try and optimise his workflow, it's not like he has limited resources or time

  10. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's unimportant to the story; actually it takes away from the story. Because of course God is going to ressurrect. It is only a miracle if he was just a man. They insist he's God, tho, because they care more about their religion than what the Bible actually says or teaches.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      John 8:58

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Right, and you know who's writing this post? I am. And I didn't just declare myself God.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          I guess I should give more context. He was responding to some israelites who said to him:
          >You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?
          In response, he said:
          >before Abraham was, I am
          Because of this, they tried to kill him.

          Furthermore, the first chapter of John says:
          >In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life, and the life was the light of men. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it...
          >...And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Right, he was annointed before abraham. Doesn't mean he's God. John 1:1 is fairly cryptic. I'll just go with straightforward statements on how he's not God.

            >There is but one God, the Father.
            1 Corinthians 8:6

            This is as straightforward as "thou shall not steal". No confusion here, and there's not much left to discuss.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >John 1:1 is fairly cryptic
            Read as "I don't believe what it says"

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >"I don't believe what it says"
            Not, it's cryptic. I gave you a straightforward verse on the matter and only God is the Father. Jesus is relegated to Lord. While God is both Lord and God (the Father).

          • 7 months ago
            Ο Σολιταίρ

            >The Word (nominative case) was God (nominative case - God and The Word are unequivocally the SAME entity)
            yes... very "cryptic"

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yes, actually. If you have a statement "thou shall not steal", why would I look for convoluted sentences that could mean stealing is ok sometimes? It wouldn't make sense. For all I know John 1:1 is a metaphor in reference to Jesus' following and oneness (Jesus said we should all be one with God) with God being so perfect it's as if he's the Word of God. This is all debatable.

            But
            >There is but one God, the Father.
            1 Corinthians 8:6

            That isn't debatable. It's straight forward, concise and clear. The rational person opts for this if there appears to be conflict.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            I and the Father are one. - John 10:30

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >I and the Father are one. - John 10:30
            He goes on to say his desire is for all of us to be one like he is one with the Father. So you see, there is metaphor going on in his language here. Otherwise, we're all God using your logic. Thus it's best to go with clear and concise statements on the matter.

          • 7 months ago
            Ο Σολιταίρ

            >why would I look for convoluted sentences
            Is John 1:1 really* a "convoluted sentence"?
            are you a Mormon?
            only a Mormon could keep up this Christian charade while flagrantly denigrating the Bible.

            Does God let people fill his scripture with convoluted sentences that confuse people?
            Or is God able to at least keep HIS book coherent?

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Is John 1:1 really* a "convoluted sentence"?
            Yes, and I just explained why. It could be metaphorical like how Jesus says he wants us all to be one with the Father like he is. Jesus being the word might be because be reflects the word of God so perfectly. Whereas we have very concise declarations Jesus is not God. So it's best to go with that.

          • 7 months ago
            Ο Σολιταίρ

            >are you a Mormon?
            >Yes

            k

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >disingenuous moron christ larper who actually shows zero christ like qualities
            Nice

          • 7 months ago
            Ο Σολιταίρ

            >he mad
            >calls me moronic
            >says I'm not christlike
            lol

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            I am an atheist

          • 7 months ago
            Ο Σολιταίρ

            what are you even doing then?

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            It says the Word was God. Was. What else could that mean but the Word and God are the same being. And it later says the Word became flesh. Thus, God became flesh. What alternate interpretation do you have to explain this?

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Jesus is relegated to Yahweh

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yes
            Jesus our Lord ordered the israelites to slaughter entire cities of gentiles. Even infants in their cradles. Even dogs. Without mercy. He ordered them to take any virgin gentile above age of puberty as wives in other times. TRULY H3 IS A LOVING GOD

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >He ordered them to take any virgin gentile above age of puberty as wives in other times.

            oh yeah, I'm thinking based
            the key point is that they weren't just "some other religion"
            they were a society of homo, zoophiles, and kinslayers.
            Take the girls! What? Are Canaanites "good people"?

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            seethe

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            How is it cryptic? It says the the Word was with God and is God, and just a few paragraphs later, the book says the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, before saying that we have seen his glory, and it is the glory of the only Son from the Father. It seems pretty cut and dry to me.

            And none of this contradicts Corinthians 8:6, because Jesus and God are both the same God, which is further confirmed by John 10:30 where he says:
            >I and the Father are one.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >I and the Father are one.
            He goes on to say his desire is for all of us to be one like he is one with the Father. So you see, there is metaphor going on in his language here. Otherwise, we're all God using your logic. Thus it's best to go with clear and concise statements on the matter.
            >There is but one God, the Father.
            1 Corinthians 8:6
            >for My Father is greater than I
            John 14:28

            He's literally accused of making himself out to be God in John 10:31-37. He defends himself. You agree with his accusers.

  11. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    you piss off jesus by not addressing him by his proper rank, you end up in magic lava.

  12. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    last supper => Eucharist

  13. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because people are cretins and focusing the source of moral authority on some out-of-this-realm essence instead of kings or popes or warlords work better than having a charismatic human leader, somehow.

  14. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Probably because it's too late to correct this mistake now

  15. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Movie source?

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Mirror

      1975

      director Andrei Tarkovsky

      actress Larisa Tarkovskaya

  16. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    I don't even think Jesus claimed to be God.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      This was explained already.

      Because Jesus claimed to be God in John 8:58.
      >Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”
      Upon saying this, the people who heard him tried to stone him. Why? The answer is in Exodus 3:14
      >God said to Moses, “I am who I am.[a] This is what you are to say to the Israelites: ‘I am has sent me to you.’”
      Thus, Jesus claimed to be God.

      I guess I should give more context. He was responding to some israelites who said to him:
      >You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?
      In response, he said:
      >before Abraham was, I am
      Because of this, they tried to kill him.

      Furthermore, the first chapter of John says:
      >In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life, and the life was the light of men. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it...
      >...And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.

      I and the Father are one. - John 10:30

  17. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Make no mistake: if He rose at all
    it was as His body;
    if the cells’ dissolution did not reverse, the molecules
    reknit, the amino acids rekindle,
    the Church will fall.

    It was not as the flowers,
    each soft Spring recurrent;
    it was not as His Spirit in the mouths and fuddled
    eyes of the eleven apostles;
    it was as His flesh: ours.

    The same hinged thumbs and toes,
    the same valved heart
    that–pierced–died, withered, paused, and then
    regathered out of enduring Might
    new strength to enclose.

    Let us not mock God with metaphor,
    analogy, sidestepping, transcendence;
    making of the event a parable, a sign painted in the
    faded credulity of earlier ages:
    let us walk through the door.

    The stone is rolled back, not papier-mâché,
    not a stone in a story,
    but the vast rock of materiality that in the slow
    grinding of time will eclipse for each of us
    the wide light of day.

    And if we will have an angel at the tomb,
    make it a real angel,
    weighty with Max Planck’s quanta, vivid with hair,
    opaque in the dawn light, robed in real linen
    spun on a definite loom.

    Let us not seek to make it less monstrous,
    for our own convenience, our own sense of beauty,
    lest, awakened in one unthinkable hour, we are
    embarrassed by the miracle,
    and crushed by remonstrance.

  18. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    The word "God" means all sorts of headcanon things to 99.9% of ill-literate tag-alongs of this world.
    Godan refers to a specific seat of power passed down as a tradition.
    If you don't have the curiosity to look up the root of such an important word, your opinions on it is worth LESS than if you were silent about it altogether.

  19. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    He was the son of God according to the Bible. He was not God, people just misinterpret scripture and (true) theology. Him being God makes no sense.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      No one who's said that in this thread has yet to explain the meaning of John 1 saying the Word of God was God, and that it became flesh. What does that mean if not that Jesus was literally God?

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        That God gave a mortal form to his divinity (a son) in essence, but that this being was begotten, not created. In Jesus God's word was made flesh. It's all pretty obvious.

        Orthodoxy is superior to w*stoids because they outright admit human language is inadequate to fully describe this divine transference. That instead of this "theology" that God is literally Jesus and on the multiple occasions when Jesus spoke with God and prayed to God he was really just praying and talking to himself the whole time. Pure r1b schizobabbel.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          What about when people tried to stone him when he said, "Before Abraham, I am?" when they asked him how he could know Abraham.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            He is the word. It is through him, the word of God, that we overcame the scapegoat spiritually.
            Simple as

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Except the Bible never said that Jesus was a part of God, or just an expression of God's divinity made flesh. It said the Word was God, and "I am" is how God told Moses to introduce him to his people. Since John says the Word was with God in the beginning, and was God, so there is clearly some sort of continuity of being going on here. It might just be the way you're describing it, but you make it sound like Jesus is lesser than God.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            I never said "just", this is a good example of why language is inadequate or more so, peoples' perception of language. I do not believe Jesus prayed to himself or had conversations with himself or that Satan could even try to tempt God like some r1b schizo would have it.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Well no, he didn't pray to himself in the sense he was just talking out loud to himself. I suspect it probably is just a language problem. As far as the temptation by the devil goes, it would be the only time he could even be generously described as "vulnerable." After all, he was hungry and thirsty.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            No you misunderstand again, God wasn't tempted or hungry or thirsty, Christ was because he was begotten by God and had a mortal body. They're two separate beings.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Might want to read the works of the newly appointed winner of the Nobel prize of Litterature,- Jon Fosse.
        He explores the textual origin of God extensively.
        He's basically a modern day Saruman the White.

  20. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >why is it so important to christians that the right hand of god was god and not just a prophet?

    gee, I dunno

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Partialist moment

  21. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    I'm in love

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