Why does no one talk about these people (Oriental Orthodox that is)? Who are they? What is their problem?

Why does no one talk about these people (Oriental Orthodox that is)? Who are they? What is their problem?

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  1. 5 months ago
    Radiochan

    Nobody really cares.
    Where I live there are some Ethiopian and Chaldean churches but that's about it.

  2. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    As an Eastern Orthodox, I (and many other Orthodox) want some kind of reconciliation between us.
    It's crazy that out churches have been split for so long yet we have so much in common

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >want some kind of reconciliation between us.
      How exactly are you supposed to reconcile disagreeing on the nature of Christ and over 1500 years of seperation. The Orthodox Church shares more in common with Anglicans than they do the Ethiopian church.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Basically there has been talks between both sides and there seems to be agreement that the disagreement was based on linguistic misunderstanding, which has been clearing up with the internet age.

        Probably the hardest part of reconciliation is that both sides venerate saints that anathematized the other. Also there are issues such as cannons of scripture (Ethiopians have many extra texts etc)

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          >and there seems to be agreement that the disagreement was based on linguistic misunderstanding
          That doesn't make any sense. These positions came from people who were all fluent in Greek. What sort of lingustic misunderstand could they possibly have when they were speaking and communicating in the same language.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Because fluency itself is fluid and variable. There are multiple ways to say a statement where certain ones are overall more effective at communicating a point properly versus others.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Could also be in referrence to events in later more diglossic periods in time. The bulk of the oriental church communities would have been illiterate anyway as elsewhere and distinctive ethnic identities would have been an influential factor for the schisms.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          They should at least afford each other communion like Rome doesn't mind doing. But with Slavonic patriarchates going at it with each other and others, things are made more difficult. Similar would be the less mentioned schism between the Ethiopian and Eritrean Churches.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          They split from the main church at chalcedon with them believing in myaphitism whereas we do with dyophisitism, plus they practice multiple things like dietary law similar to mosaic law and circumcision.
          We've also been split for 1500 years.

          >and there seems to be agreement that the disagreement was based on linguistic misunderstanding
          That doesn't make any sense. These positions came from people who were all fluent in Greek. What sort of lingustic misunderstand could they possibly have when they were speaking and communicating in the same language.

          There's still discussion if it was just gramatical error. I've seen good arguments on why the two don't natures can't mix.
          The more extreme ones also call us nestorian.

          Because mentioning them causes Palamites to seethe.

          >Who are they?
          Syriacs, Armenians, Abyssinians, Coptics and a few others. Just Google it.
          >What is their problem?
          Muslims and Palamite autism.

          >As an Eastern “Orthodox”, I (and many other Palamites) want some kind of reconciliation between us.
          Yeah probably never going to happen, to do so would have to see so much ground that one or both of the churches would invalidate their own claims to being the “one true church”.

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          It is a linguistic disagreement, “Of 2 natures” or “In 2 natures”, ask your average Palamite which Christ was and a large % will get it wrong, or won’t know how to answer. However the problem remains claims of infallible councils, “Saints” attempting to murder other “saints” etc.
          I’ve been to multiple Coptic churches, a good lot, and of all the self styled “orthodox” churches they have the best arguments, but still unconvinced, alongside their massive ethnic identity which is shared by the Palamites.

          >Because mentioning them causes Palamites to seethe.
          What seething? There's christological differences. This happened before the great schism even happened.
          >Muslims and Palamite autism.
          They aren't muslim though. They do celebrate in the same days as them in some countries.
          >It is a linguistic disagreement, “Of 2 natures” or “In 2 natures”, ask your average Palamite which Christ was and a large % will get it wrong, or won’t know how to answer. However the problem remains claims of infallible councils, “Saints” attempting to murder other “saints” etc.
          EO has two distinct but united natures in person, OO has one divine-human nature made out of those two. They can't decide if the divine can merge with the created.
          There's also documents like Dt Leo's tomb that talk about two distinct natures and discussion if St Cyril of Alexandria in 2 natures.

          • 5 months ago
            sage

            >What seething?
            Have you never been around Palamites who seethe about the OO?

            >They aren't muslim though
            Anon, I…….. are you moronic or just English not your first language?

            >OO has one divine-human nature made out……
            Aaaaaaaand I’ll stop you there, you are already wrong. Talk to an OO and the moment you say “made out of” they will say you are wrong.
            Everything you say next is just building upon you clear misunderstanding of the of vs in 2 natures debate. You keep assuming Monophysitism not miaphysitism. Come back when you read sauces outside the Palamite echo chamber.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Have you never been around Palamites who seethe about the OO?
            You have given no source. I've seen debate between them but no huge levels of vitriol, seeing multiple orthodox describe as dear brethren but not the same as them.
            >Aaaaaaaand I’ll stop you there, you are already wrong. Talk to an OO and the moment you say “made out of” they will say you are wrong. Everything you say next is just building upon you clear misunderstanding of the of vs in 2 natures debate. You keep assuming Monophysitism not miaphysitism. Come back when you read sauces outside the Palamite echo chamber.
            https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miaphysitism
            Miaphysitism (/maJˈæfJsaJtJzəm, miː-/[1]) is the Christological doctrine that holds Jesus, the "Incarnate Word, is fully divine and fully human, in one 'nature' (physis)."[2] It is a position held by the Oriental Orthodox Churches and differs from the Chalcedonian position that Jesus is one "person" (Greek: ὑπόστασις) in two "natures" (Greek: φύσεις), a divine nature and a human nature (Dyophysitism).
            Is this not what it the position of the orientals is though?
            Further Monophysitism are ones who say Jesus had just one divine nature after the incarnation, with a single divine will and activity, where as myaphisitism believes in both human and divine.
            I may have made a mistake in explaining the terminology since the divine nature is uncreated while the human is created, but this is where a problem arises.
            If pre-incarnate Jesus had a fully divine nature and after the incarnation he had a single nature that was both fully divine and fully human, that logic implies a mixture between the uncreated and created. I've even seen orientals describe it as a mixture.

    • 5 months ago
      sage

      Because mentioning them causes Palamites to seethe.

      >Who are they?
      Syriacs, Armenians, Abyssinians, Coptics and a few others. Just Google it.
      >What is their problem?
      Muslims and Palamite autism.

      >As an Eastern “Orthodox”, I (and many other Palamites) want some kind of reconciliation between us.
      Yeah probably never going to happen, to do so would have to see so much ground that one or both of the churches would invalidate their own claims to being the “one true church”.

      Basically there has been talks between both sides and there seems to be agreement that the disagreement was based on linguistic misunderstanding, which has been clearing up with the internet age.

      Probably the hardest part of reconciliation is that both sides venerate saints that anathematized the other. Also there are issues such as cannons of scripture (Ethiopians have many extra texts etc)

      >and there seems to be agreement that the disagreement was based on linguistic misunderstanding
      That doesn't make any sense. These positions came from people who were all fluent in Greek. What sort of lingustic misunderstand could they possibly have when they were speaking and communicating in the same language.

      It is a linguistic disagreement, “Of 2 natures” or “In 2 natures”, ask your average Palamite which Christ was and a large % will get it wrong, or won’t know how to answer. However the problem remains claims of infallible councils, “Saints” attempting to murder other “saints” etc.
      I’ve been to multiple Coptic churches, a good lot, and of all the self styled “orthodox” churches they have the best arguments, but still unconvinced, alongside their massive ethnic identity which is shared by the Palamites.

    • 5 months ago
      JWanon

      Meanwhile

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Indian JW woman has a Hindu bindi on her forehead.
        JW education strikes again.

  3. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Ethiopia/Eritrea map is wrong, some of the areas in red are wholly Muslim

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      The map isn't obviously about majority but about significant presence

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Thats why I said wholly, there is very little if any Christian presence in north east Ethiopia/east Eritrea aka Afar.

  4. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    They are descendants of cucks and traitors that doomed them to be a minority on their own lands by bending their asses to araboids instead of expelling them. So not worthy of any attention.

  5. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    These guys had apostatized way before the great schism. They pose that Christ's Fully Human and Fully Divine natures were this one chimera/double/hybrid nature and not two united in one person. This denies our salvation because then God was not human the same way we are human, we only possess a human nature, not the monophysite double nature. It also means he was not fully God like with the nature of The Father and Holy Spirit. It sounds good at first glance still proclaiming Christ was both God and Man but actually ends up denying both claims.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      David Erhan is a good guy that focusses mainly on this issue for further inquiry, check out his channel.

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