Why do some people say the renaissance was the decline of the west? And the Catholic Church?

Why do some people say the renaissance was the decline of the west? And the Catholic Church? Wasn’t it the height of the west with all the great art and culture?

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  1. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Spengler wrote that the decline began around the 17th century.

  2. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Ever since the fall of Rome, a core tenet of western culture has been constant paranoia over its impending decline, probably in no small part influenced by Christianity starting out as an apocolyptic death cult.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Did the Chinese not have this same feeling of decline?

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        China lived in an isolated bubble for much of its so the same paranoia wasn't there, if a Chinese regime collapsed, it was swiftly replaced with another Chinese regime

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          The Manchu’s weren’t Chinese

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        China tended to see its history as cyclical. Dynasties would rise, grow corrupt, die, and a new dynasty would take its place.

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          That’s not true China had loads of crazy civil wars

          I mean look at the early 20th century China it was disunited for like 50 years

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            China may have momentarily been divided however the concept of China was never truly lost.

            Where as Europe post Rome was never able to truly unite.

  3. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    I used to say stuff like this back in my tradLARP days.

    tl;dr is that since the advent of science and the industrial revolution, man has become "alienated" and/or "atomized". Where you used to have landowning lords and small religious communities, you now have increasingly complex, compartmentalized bureaucratic societies full of selfish people concerned more with Marvel movies than glorifying God.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Why do you no longer larp as Trad what happened?

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        It's a low-resolution worldview that I'd inherited from /misc/ and culture-war homosexualry. It wasn't who I really was.

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          Based, glad you climbed out of that hole. I was in the same boat. The past few years were kind of an eye opener

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            There’s nothing based in embracing modernity which is a complete anomaly compared to the rest of Traditional societies which always had the presence of the sacred from Taoism in China, Vedanta in India, Sufism in Islam and Catholicism in Europe.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            Coward.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            How so?

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            You can embrace the sacred within modernity without succumbing to it or adhering to impotent, dying systems. We're in the Kali Yuga homie, ride it.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            What is sacred in modernity?

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            Coward.

            You’re embracing the modern world by using technology to express an appreciation for tradition. It’s not about REJECTING MODERNITY, but using these new tools and not becoming a tool yourself (a reactionary)

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          Have you not read Guenon?

  4. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    When someone says X was the decline of the West, they're really just saying that they don't like X's change on the West.

    Hence why you see people claiming increased acceptance of homosexuality is a sign of the decline of the West cause Rome, when their evidence for Rome is just that some Roman emperor during the height of Rome liked to frick boys.

  5. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's the rise of individualism, which already attempted to trump the notion of following the tradition. It is very closely linked to the Reform. Art isn't great if a civilisation is anti-tradition, since it then stems from an isolated and limited individual.

  6. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    the renaissance was the beginning of the stagnation of Italy, they literally never achieved higher economic output per capita

    one could say it was a larp

  7. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because western culture is highly independent and oriented towards self-expression, and one of the most common ways to get attention is to make outrageous claims. In truth, people pick up the same old ideas, flip it around for no reason, and they justify it with their own personal issues. Because we all want to be independent, we’re forced to accept any and every eclectic argument as if it were predicated on SOME truth, and confirmation bias does the rest of the work

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