Why do mainstream Muslims hate quaranism so much? Is This a Catholicism/protestant situation or something else?

Why do mainstream Muslims hate quaranism so much?

Is This a Catholicism/protestant situation or something else?

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  1. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Imagine if there were Christians who only accepted the Gospels and rejected the entire rest of the Bible (and even this isn't a perfect equivalence, it's more like if it was just Q and only listing some Jesus quotes with no context or elaboration)

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      The Islamic equivalent of the Gospels isn't the Quran. It's the Hadiths. The Quran is just the equivalent of the Old Testament.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        No, Christianity doesn't have a clean Quran analogue as it stands, but a sayings gospel like Q or Thomas would come closest. Islam preserved their sayings gospel separately, Christianity integrated it with their hadiths and made a novel out of it. The OT does have long segments of Yahweh speaking in first person but the OT's significance to Christianity is very variable.

  2. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Is This a Catholicism/protestant situation
    More like the female and gay priests situation, a completely anti-traditional pile of nonsense pushed by liberals.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      If the traditions were so important Allah would have put them in the Quran.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >anti-traditional pile of nonsense
      the tradition that makes sense:

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      It defies tradition but feels more analogous to protestantism or gnosticism than anything liberal
      like some liberals might adopt it but that's not the root, there's a real historical question underlying it as a movement

  3. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    There's not a single group mainstream mudslimes don't hate, including themselves. They're anti-human.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      the only humans who are "anti-human" are the group of people who are currently bombing children in hospitals and pushing for children to be killed in wombs because "muh overpopulation"

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        nah, it's the group who beheads babies

  4. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because quranists are hyper progressive and allow gay and trans stuff and even eating bacon. Sunnis view Quranists the same way a Catholic would view like, the ELCA.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Protestantism is more like Salafism IMO. It lot of it was about “saving” the faith or the apostles and church fathers from “medieval innovations”, which sounds a lot like Salafis putting more emphasis on early sources and rejecting the medieval schools of the jurisprudence

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        *a lot

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      From what I’ve seen I don’t think it’s fair to say all Quranists are “hyper progressive”

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Quranists interpret the Qur'an in any way they want. Some of them think polygamy is prohibited even when it is explicitly encouraged in the Qur'an. Some of them are okay with gay marriage even with l the stories of Lot in the Qur'an. They don't follow the Qur'an, they follow their desires.

        The explanation of the Prophet, through his own words and deeds are needed to practice Islam and understand your God. (You) can't just reject the reports without sufficient understanding of hadith methodology, just dismissing it because you think so and so is unscientific or immoral.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          hadith methodology be like
          >source: he said trust me bro

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            like I said, no rigorous critique of hadith, just strawmanning and/or arguments apealing to emotion and intuition instead of knowledge and logic

            You not liking a possible historical fact is not an argument for it to not have happened

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            There's no logic in assuming something is true because it has been repeated over time.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >because it has been repeated over time
            this statement indicates you have read nothing about hadith methodology, no primary nor secondary source. and instead you just assume what it is without actually knowing

            This is not some arcane or esoteric study. Anyone can find a pdf of the english translation of Ibn Al-Salah's introduction, or any modern introduction

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >no rigorous critique of hadith
            No, he gave that. The hadith are at best completely spurious and at worst outright nonsense. Islam as a whole is, so this is just part and parcel of following a false religion.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >rigorous: extremely thorough and careful.
            what extremely thorough and careful methodology has he used to determine the wholesale falsehood of all hadith?

            >completely spurious
            is there any evidence or rigorous methodology to validate this?
            >outright nonsense
            subjective category
            >a false religion
            so you're biased?

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >so you're biased?
            a muslim talking about bias lmao

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >a muslim talking about bias lmao
            are only unbiased aliens supposed to have opinions about things? who do you think is most knowledgeable and earnest about a system made by muslims? a muslim or (You)?

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >what extremely thorough and careful methodology has he used to determine the wholesale falsehood of all hadith?
            The examination of the hadith. It turns out that they're all crap. Sorry to be the one to break this to you.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Emotional as always, never rational as expected from a quranist

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Emotional as always

  5. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because Salafis are braindead and think hadiths are above the Qur'an.

  6. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    According to the mainstream Salafi interpretation, you can't practice Islam without Sunnah, but you can practice Islam without the Qur'an.

    You don't even need to refute Islam because Muslims are so stupid they refute Islam themselves with these moronic occurences.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >you can practice Islam without the Qur'an
      nobody has ever said this ever. The Salaf, when new people used to study with them, used to ask them if they have memorized the Qur'an, and if they responded negatively, the Salaf would say "Know Allah's Word first before learning anything else"

      The Qur'an is the bare minimum. Quranists are just intellectually bankrupt/want to be westerners so bad

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Who cares what they said.

        This doesn't change the fact that you can practice Islam without the Qur'an.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          >you can practice Islam without the Qur'an
          Ok, so no need to read Al-Fatiha then during prayer? God help me against the ignorant..

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        muslim with iphone from london speaking english accusing anyone of wanting to be westerner

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          >muslim with iphone from london speaking english
          baseless assumption. do you want me to speak arabic instead? most quranists dont even know arabic

          Well the Quran is reflected through the Sunnah, so it’s like seeing the shadow of a building vs seeing it itself, so you can can get a good idea of the shape, but you lose all the beauty

          the Sunnah tells us to read the Qur'an, both support each other. All great scholars of tafsir learned hadith, all great scholars of hadith learn tafsir

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >most quranists dont even know arabic
            most muslims don't know arabic, so that's a twisted reasoning

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >most muslims don't know arabic
            Most Muslims are not scholars, they won't go to Hell for not knowing Arabic. But scholars must know Arabic. Being a Quranist, spreading your interpretation of the Quran and disdain for hadith makes you a self-proclaimed scholar in practice

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            The Salaf used to say, "The shield of the scholar is "I don't know" ". If the Qur'anists would just say "I don't know hadith methodology" that would save him and everyone else from trouble

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >scholars must know Arabic
            totally a global religion and not some desert fanfiction made to benefit Muhammad/Arabs
            >also one of the pillars of worshipping god is making Pilgrimage to this city I control

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Well the Quran is reflected through the Sunnah, so it’s like seeing the shadow of a building vs seeing it itself, so you can can get a good idea of the shape, but you lose all the beauty

  7. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Quranism is moronic, with Sola Scriptura you get the full history of Israel, 4 complete biographies of the founder, and mountains of letters explaining key doctrines, with the Quran alone you can’t even know who Muhammad even was

  8. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    they prefer to worship saudi government approved hadith.

    i mean, you're talking about the most irrational hive mind religion that would believe 2+2=5 if told so.

  9. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because the Qur'an itself is incomplete and useless.

  10. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    What is the quran of white people?

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Book of Mormon

  11. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Quranism is literally a modern heresy
    Islam is Quran + Hadith

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