Why didn't King Arthur just have Merlin, Morgan, and Nimue all executed for the crime of witchcraft if he was a Christian king?

Why didn't King Arthur just have Merlin, Morgan, and Nimue all executed for the crime of witchcraft if he was a Christian king? Furthermore why didn't he have Lancelot and Genevieve executed for adultery? Are there any telling that are historically accurate and devoid of magical bullshit and if it does show up, it's just killed for wasting our time with its bullshit? Why did Gawain not just tell the guy to ask his wife to stop trying to seduce him? Because muh chivalry and lady honor? That's irrational, just tell her husband to make her stop. Bro Code trumps prostitute lies. Especially when doing so would have probably just proven to the Green Knight what Gawain's worth was or whatever fairy bullshit he was on about. God I want The Matter of Britian but void of all magic and every wizard is just a bishop and every witch is explicitly a mundane human woman and Genevieve has Lancelot hanged after his first advance

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  1. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's because Arthurian tales predate the christianization of Britain, any semblance of christianity you see is just a thin layer concealing pagan characters

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      ????
      no they don't
      Arthur is an explicitely christian character fighting against pagan anglo saxons

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        King Arthur the character himself may be Christian in origin, but all of the extra folklore and the wizards are all pagan folklore. If it was a truly Christian story with no pagan elements, King Arthur would be a homeless moron washing the feet of black refugees in judea.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          Funny how the black refugees get you guys so mad. It always comes back to that. The same pope also told Euros to make families and have kids. He's written multiple books on it. If you weren't such a b***h, the problem would be solved. That's on you. To expect people to be cruel to refugees for you is not an option.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            The same pope also hosted zumba in St. Pete's then watched a guy give another dude a rimmy. So frick off, please.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            What

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Funny how you equate not welcoming invaders with being cruel to them.
            have a nice day.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          at least you are honest and admit that your ancestors were cucks drooling on black feet. How can you live with the fact that your blood is filled with such cuckery?

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            That’s everyone’s ancestors if you go back 600 years frickwit. Misc has rotted your brain

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            lmao nice cope. yours are cucks you yourself agree to this.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Who, my ancestors? I’m white you frick-head, unless you’re implying I’m a israelite. Unfortunately my ancestors slaughtered each other in order to follow a butchered version of Judaism and rid themselves of their indigenous religion. Although I guess there’s no point crying over spilt milk, neopagan larpers are stale and moronic too.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            yes your ancestors cuck spawn. you perfectly explained why they were cucks who would lick Black person feet according to you. Lmao you already agree that your ancestors are ultimate cucks so first step is done.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Read the Mabinogion, it's one of the oldest sources for Arthurian legend and Arthur is more like a pagan warlord, and his court a sty filled with drunken barbarians. These stories are only Christian on a very superficial surface layer because they were recorded in a strict chrisrian age where where christianity influenced the retellings. These stories have been told orally since before Christianity came to Britain

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          bullshit. there are pagan elements but those are only archetypes like wizard merlin. Core of the story is christian with christian knights and chivalry struggles

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Wrong

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            no u

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            i mean you are quite factually incorrect but feel free to keep showing us what an idiot you are

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            I mean you have no arguments and resort to insults after getting btfo. You can continue being moronic pagancuck. So I accept your concession.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >knights and chivalry struggles
            These arose from/were an evolution of Christianized Pagan virtues and modes of conduct. And they ultimately got dunked on by the Pope and friends because they realized that this whole business was deeply un-Christian and thus needed to be rid of, which is how you got the very peaceful and harmless "knight" orders of today.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            lmao what moronic pagancuck revisionism.
            you can't even tell me what pagan virtues you are talking about. Nothing in chivalry is pagan. This cope is getting ridiculous.
            Also what do you mean pope cracked down on them. yes they are peaceful now, because knights were neutralized by gunpowder and their use was no more not that headcanon you shat out.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >what do you mean the Pope cracked down on them
            Didn't you read the history books? The Church destroyed the Templars and brutally crippled all other Knightly orders. They simply weren't Christian.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            are you disingenuous on purpose moronic homosexual?
            they were cracked down by French King who forced pope to excommunicate them because he was after their banking.
            where do you subhumans come from? you clearly don't read so why are you here, only to psyop people?

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >and brutally crippled all other Knightly orders
            Lol, guess the Hospitaliers never got that memo

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Because he wasn't a christcuck homosexual like you.

      ????
      no they don't
      Arthur is an explicitely christian character fighting against pagan anglo saxons

      And that's primarily where I come from. It would historically make sense for Arthur to execute everyone he meets who practiced magic. Him tolerating magical bullshit is as historically accurate as something set in the time of Xenophon espousing modern gender theory. It's absurd for the timeline

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/UNkoPnQ.jpg

        Why didn't King Arthur just have Merlin, Morgan, and Nimue all executed for the crime of witchcraft if he was a Christian king? Furthermore why didn't he have Lancelot and Genevieve executed for adultery? Are there any telling that are historically accurate and devoid of magical bullshit and if it does show up, it's just killed for wasting our time with its bullshit? Why did Gawain not just tell the guy to ask his wife to stop trying to seduce him? Because muh chivalry and lady honor? That's irrational, just tell her husband to make her stop. Bro Code trumps prostitute lies. Especially when doing so would have probably just proven to the Green Knight what Gawain's worth was or whatever fairy bullshit he was on about. God I want The Matter of Britian but void of all magic and every wizard is just a bishop and every witch is explicitly a mundane human woman and Genevieve has Lancelot hanged after his first advance

        Plenty of Christian kings had court magicians and sought astrologers and fortune tellers in the Middle Ages. Your lack of knowledge is showing.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          And there are Catholics that use contraception. What's your point?

          The pope is just some guy, you know?
          Varangians sent from Constantinople including fully pagan vikings and future kings of Norway fought for him in Italy, both against Arabs and then against Normans who also had vikings mercenaries. The pope was only surviving by navigating the dynamic between the Normans and Byzantines but when the crusades were in full swing he had established real and wide reaching authority, authority only really challenged by the orders of knights.
          People sperging about le pagans and Christians never seem to grasp this picture of viking berserkers killing for the pope.

          >The pope is just some guy, you know?
          Not what I said. He's not supposed to be a civil government, he's a priest. Different caste, priests do not fight

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      No they don't. Christianity was just super diverse for a very long period early on.

      Beowulf was recorded in a Christian era but it still has stuff about how Grendel and the other monsters are the descendants of Cain.

      And this is something you see in Gnostic Christianity as well, with hylics as the seed of Cain, psychics as the seed of Able, and pneumatics as the seed of Seth.

      You even had all sorts of extra books of the Bible floating around for a while. Even after they were rejected from the Canon they still influenced Church doctrine. Like Mary's perpetual virginity is likely from the Gospel of James.

      Sethian Gnostics had the God of Genesis as a demon named Yaldaboath who gang rapes Eve with his demonic Archons while the heros are the Aeons Sophia/Wisdom and Christ who tell man to eat the fruit of the Tree of Gnosis.

      Of course, the Church fought back heretics over and over, but they'd always reappear. Docetism, Arianism, Donatism, Bogomils, Adamites, Albagensians, Fratecheli, Gondolfos, Hussites, Lollards, Cathars, etc., etc.

      Weird folk religions blended with old myths everywhere. The idea of relics holding magical power was everywhere. You had mystery cults that "protected the harvest by leaving the body to do spiritual combat with witches in service of Christ," in Italy through the 1500s. "The Night Battles," is a good book on this that covers Baltic Werewolf myths as well.

      The Church didn't start rooting these out with inquisitions until the Renaissance, partly because it simply lacked the ability to do so.

      Magic was believed in as possibly a force FOR good through the Reformation. Anholt was motivated in his part in the Thirty Years War by his study of esotericism and Jacob Boheme. The original Rosicrucians probably printed out of Bohemia prior to the Austrian victory there early in the Thirty Years War.

      Myth survived next to Christianity until the Enlightenment replaced it with more "scientific" myths about fantastical shit. Magic remained part of spiritual practice, always partly suppressed but never fully, into the Enlightenment. It's still around, see "Meditations on the Tarot."

      The problem is that people conflate magic, more suppressed and less orthodox, with mysticism, which was widely encouraged (Bonneventure and Gregory of Clairvaux were both Saints, "Saint Denis" too)

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Beowulf was recorded in a Christian era but it still has stuff about how Grendel and the other monsters are the descendants of Cain.
        Yeah and my version of Beowulf also has Grendel and his mother humanized so much that to insinuate they're magical creatures is gross illiteracy. Grendel is a human born of a human mother to a human father. Better yet, Grendel is one of Beowulf's bastards and Beowulf kills him and his mother to preserve his honor and it EXPLICITLY states that he made up the Cain shit

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        >It's still around, see "Meditations on the Tarot."
        That's not magic, that book is explicitly anti-magic and makes it clear that the images on tarot cards don't mean shit in some magical deterministic bullshit worldview. Archetypes aren't magic

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      If I recall it right, Arthur began as a Christian story. Pagan elements just swooped in and made their home there.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Anon, the Courtly Love cuck shit was started by the Frenchies, who were very Christian by then
      The older Arthurian tales had none of that, dogshit Mary Sues like Lancelot didn't even exist, they were infinitely superior to the medieval bullshit.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        old medieval myth was also about christian Arthur and christian Britons against pagan Anglo-Saxons

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Anon, the Courtly Love cuck shit was started by the Frenchies, who were very Christian by then
        Technically it's Arabic and Muslim and the Frenchies only discovered the idea while crusading.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          nice plebbit/orientalist take, something Will Durant would promote.

  2. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because he wasn't a christcuck homosexual like you.

  3. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Witchhunts weren't that big of a deal until the Reformation that wanted to purify everything (including Catholics). There are occasional events that alarmed people in the Medieval and Middle Ages, but even many of those were dismissed when brought to bishops. israelites had a rougher time than that. Outright apostacy as well.

  4. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    I agree with most of this but
    >be Gawain
    >tell GK his wife is a prostitute
    >wife says "wtf, this stranger has insulted us in our home!"
    >GK summarily executes Gawain for the insult
    Not a great plan.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Well technically he tells some random yahoo on the way he is lodging with in a secret test of character. I have him bypass it entirely by 2 factors
      1) have him realize they're both magic bullshit working for the knight
      2) if not, he's of a higher standing anyway so his word is worth more than a peasant wife

  5. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >crime of witchcraft
    I haven't read any of the arthurian stuff since forever but are you saying that they used powers given to them by demons (I can't remember)? Witchcraft is a specific thing where you evoke demons for powers. There was a reason why John Dee and others in the past weren't executed.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >There was a reason why John Dee and others in the past weren't executed
      Because they promised to make the ruler powerful

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Was that supposed to be some type of rebuttal? Are you saying that all those religious radicals in parliament during the reformation couldn't kill a magic dude, but they were able to kill a monarch?

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          They weren't excecutes because superstitious rulers believed they were able to do things such as learn to turn lead into gold or predict the future. They ignored religious law for their benefit.
          You lost.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            So... they were able to kill a king, but they weren't able to kill a magic man?

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >getting filtered by the grail cycle
      Many such cases

      >are you saying that they used powers given to them by demons
      In some tellings Merlin is a half demon Cambion.

  6. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Genevieve executed for adultery?
    He tried and Lancelot then killed a heck ton of knights to save her and they ran away. This is part of the whole downfall arc.

  7. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    While King Arthur do has pagan british roots, the bulk of the cycle was writen and compiled well into the 12th century and thus in a very christian context. It weren't clerics or pagan poets the one that created Lancelot, the ideal of courtly love or characters like Yvain: It was Chretien de Troyes and other trobadours under the employ of french feudal lords.

    To call Arthur a pagan work may not be completely incorrect, but the major stories, plotpoints and characters come from a christian age or were in turn heavily re-interpreted by christian authors.

    >burning someone for witchcraft.
    The official stance of the church in the 12th and 13th centuries was that witchcraft and witches did not existed. Is only later on, much later on around the protestant reformation that witchery is declared real.

    Magic in the arthurian cycle doesn't follow pagan rites or ideals too much either, besides a few characters. Rather, it mostly belongs to a world of medieval poetic symbols with very little to do with anything that came before. It should be telling that when these poets describe pagans they worship Jupiter and other roman deities, not celtic gods.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >It should be telling that when these poets describe pagans they worship Jupiter and other roman deities, not celtic gods.
      Why? I just want to hurt people that like magic because my mom not letting me read Harry Potter gave me a superiority complex

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >It should be telling that when these poets describe pagans they worship Jupiter and other roman deities, not celtic gods
      It is telling because the origin of Arthur isn't fully Welsh but Roman. He was the product of Roman occupation and whatever Celtic or Druidic material is present in the lost oral tradition, which was almost certainly mixed with Roman paganism.

      And if we go further back (way back), the Druids and their culture and myths were Phoenician in origin (tin mining proves it). It's possible there's effectively no difference between Gauls, Celts, and Phoenicians, with only minor variation based off of whatever long lost tribe lived before Phoenicians came. Not far south of France was a huge Iberian-Phoenician outpost.

      To top it off, Rome was essentially founded by Phoenicians and/or their descendents (see Aeneas and the Trojans/Tyrians). So Rome's claim on Britain was a meeting of distant cousins.

      As for Arthur's quest for the holy grail, the sang real or whatever: it's royal blood. Not even the blood of Christ. The holy grail flows within Arthur's veins, as well as the knights of the round table. It's also the explanation for the tree of life, Yggdrasil: a family tree.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        >It's possible there's effectively no difference between Gauls, Celts, and Phoenicians
        The big piece that most miss is the history of the west Sahara. The original "pale Libyans" probably didn't come from Europe, it's the other way around. The area was a paradise perfectly suited for humans until very recently. Not accounting for that area creates a big blind spot in our attempts to figure out what happened.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Not accounting for that area creates a big blind spot in our attempts to figure out what happened.
          Same goes for all things East of the Iranian Plateau. How does the Table of Nations account for that?

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          What, so white people DID come from Africa?

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            White people didn't exist until recently and neither dick black people or cows. Which cow is the real Auroch?
            Each European is diverse, his children might have red hair, black or blonde. Biologically that's an exploratory mode, usually one that doesn't last long, like if each individual of one species of Darwin's finches would randomly choose from any of the other beaks. Each beak is adapted for a specific situation over a long period but the master race finch just uses all of them without even being subject to the pressure that developed them, like the Romans did with technology. The trade-off is the decay that happens without pressure.

            The sudden cutoff for the r1b male haplogroup across the straits of Gibraltar suggests an extermination, exodus or a replacement. This group reemerges in blacks along the large lakes (Niger) and rivers that presumably used to be connected to the old river system. According to modern myths a tribe in the area retained unexplained astrological knowledge and predicted the existence of Sirius B. According to the Greeks Atlas discovered astrology. The big disaster might have been signaled by lights in the sky long before it happened if it really was a comet that eventually exploded over South America or something similar.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Which cow is the real Auroch?
            Which chicken is the real Red Junglefowl?

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        >the Druids and their culture and myths were Phoenician in origin (tin mining proves it)
        How? That's like saying the Navajo had a n ancient flood myth introduced by white settlers and yet they also don't like talking about skinwalkers with outsiders or at all.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        >As for Arthur's quest for the holy grail, the sang real or whatever: it's royal blood. Not even the blood of Christ. The holy grail flows within Arthur's veins, as well as the knights of the round table. It's also the explanation for the tree of life, Yggdrasil: a family tree.
        >source: my ass

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          >he didn't read the Evola book

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >evola
            You mean the guy Mussolini kept on the payroll as a threat to others to play along with him or he'd let the schizo dictate policy everyone but Evola knew was idiotic?

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Yggdrasil
          Is a tree but in the most abstract sense which includes family trees and how we conceptualize fate in general. Logic trees allow divination, if you do x then y will happen.

          are you disingenuous on purpose moronic homosexual?
          they were cracked down by French King who forced pope to excommunicate them because he was after their banking.
          where do you subhumans come from? you clearly don't read so why are you here, only to psyop people?

          The pope was weak before the crusades, basically conquered by Normans. After the crusades started power in Europe shifted from tribes to the orders of knights that emerged and gave a place to the Norman princes that would otherwise be taking over Italy and France directly. The Frankish king and the Pope conspired to undermine the orders with childish and basic propaganda which you both fell for. That propaganda campaign demonized being reasonable, tolerant and worldly like the knights. Classic malicious purity spiral deployed as a power grab that also targeted any copying of "pagan" texts. Depending on how "pure" you were that could include Arabic math.
          The knights were acting in a Christian way, the king and pope were not. The great treasure in Normandy wasn't gold, it was a collection of texts considered worth more than all the gold because they contained the guidelines that produced all that wealth. The manuscripts were secretly taken to Norway by Teutons while the king was looking for gold and later buried in a stone vault in a remote location where they still sit untouched.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >The pope was weak before the crusades, basically conquered by Normans
            The papacy isn't supposed to be a secular government

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            The pope is just some guy, you know?
            Varangians sent from Constantinople including fully pagan vikings and future kings of Norway fought for him in Italy, both against Arabs and then against Normans who also had vikings mercenaries. The pope was only surviving by navigating the dynamic between the Normans and Byzantines but when the crusades were in full swing he had established real and wide reaching authority, authority only really challenged by the orders of knights.
            People sperging about le pagans and Christians never seem to grasp this picture of viking berserkers killing for the pope.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            The pope is just some guy, you know?
            Varangians sent from Constantinople including fully pagan vikings and future kings of Norway fought for him in Italy, both against Arabs and then against Normans who also had vikings mercenaries. The pope was only surviving by navigating the dynamic between the Normans and Byzantines but when the crusades were in full swing he had established real and wide reaching authority, authority only really challenged by the orders of knights.
            People sperging about le pagans and Christians never seem to grasp this picture of viking berserkers killing for the pope.

            this is some ahistorical bullshit lmao. I can't even remember single pagan varangiam in Constantinople. They literally had st Olafs church just for them in there. Also of course pope was militarily weak he belonged to priestly class.

  8. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because executing an important member of your kingdom is a big no no in the time period it was written so obviously, the text is going to reflect society.

  9. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because for much of medieval history the punishment for witchcraft was just a fine.

  10. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because he fricked up and because of that frick up his kingdom was destroyed due to the weight of not only his sins but the failure of him and his knights to maintain basic principles of loyalty, family honor, and faith. If everyone in the court was a godly man and King Arthur wept daily as he pondered the mysteries of Christ then there would be no Grail Quest (of which the failure was almost a totality), there would be no Mordred, there would be no Guinevere and Lancelot and the angry reaction therein. Instead we'd have repentance and reconciliation and all sorts of manner of things that we would then have to struggle to answer: why isn't King Arthur's kingdom still extant?

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >why isn't King Arthur's kingdom still extant?
      Because it never existed

  11. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    *blocks ur path*

  12. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Merlin was a Byzantine priest. Arthur's father was a Roman garrison commander. The knights were from the different tribes that respected Roman law to some degree and wanted to maintain the order their fathers knew.
    To be a wizard or witch in a post-order society you basically just need to knew some geometry. Merlin is a high level wizard meaning he was either educated by one of the "black schools" in Europe or came from closer to the source, in Greece.
    The high level ca fifth century wizards that became legends like Santa Claus were concerned with what we might call social engineering or society engineering. They were united in the enterprise of putting in place methods of maintaining order that stay in place and don't degrade. The same thing Merlin was about. They wanted to refine the thing that made Rome great and deploy it in a way that doesn't collapse no matter how much the princes fight among each other.

  13. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Akshully before Lancelot existed and Mordred was the one who stole Arthur's wife and kingdom, Arthur did wage war on him and killed him in battle. As for Lancelot, wasn't he too strong to be stopped anyway?

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >wasn't he too strong to be stopped anyway
      Not when the author wasn't a French homosexual.

  14. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Why didn't King Arthur just have Merlin, Morgan, and Nimue all executed for the crime of witchcraft if he was a Christian king?
    They were his weed plugs
    >Furthermore why didn't he have Lancelot and Genevieve executed for adultery?
    It was legendary (literally) banter

  15. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >read Merlin and the Grail
    >pure virgin gets impregnated by spiritual entity
    >result is awesome baby
    >no one believes her even though her dad's dad or whatever knew Jesus and his backstory
    The best part was Merlin's mum holding baby Merlin in his arms and crying about her impending doom when baby Merlin starts talking and she's so surprised she drops him on the floor.

  16. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    They were cunning folk, not the same as witches.

  17. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Speaking of Arthur, what version of Le Morte d'Arthur is the best Oyish anons?

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      The one where Arthur kills all the magic people and a holy archangel carries him to Heaven as a reward for killing all the magic of Albion

  18. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why do christians foam at the mouth against any kind of pagan crossover into Christian practice? Like, literal nothing about medieval Christendom was scriptural.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      The Reformation radicalized people

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Christ is the Holy Destroyer of all the old ways, His Sword drew Oberon's final breath

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Christ sounds like a bloodthirsty psycho, I'm not sure I like this guy.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          Church bells physically hurt fairies. They deserve it

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            The bells represent the claim on the land for the humans creating a border between the natural world and the human world. In Europe almost everywhere you go you're in reach of the bells even if you can't hear them with your human ears. In my small town in the middle of nowhere we had a truce with the fairies, we couldn't exert the kind of power they could in Britain. Sometimes they kill, we send helicopters as if that helps. Sometimes they teach. They seem chaotic but it's all based on rules.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >In my small town in the middle of nowhere we had a truce with the fairies, we couldn't exert the kind of power they could in Britain. Sometimes they kill, we send helicopters as if that helps. Sometimes they teach. They seem chaotic but it's all based on rules.
            The frick are you on about, fairies do not exist

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            They live in 12000 year old rocks that formed on the ancient shoreline near me, under a remote mountain well known to world literature. The rocks can serve as heat batteries, some with obvious micro climates. The fairies know astrology and herbal medicine which according to church records they taught to my ancestors 200 years ago. They sometimes say they were human once and part of a lost civilization but they also lie.
            If you move the rocks it's a violation of the truce so the state doesn't give building permits where these rocks are and roads are built to swerve around them.

            If you're outside at the wrong time the rocks themselves can save your life but they can also act as traps, a temptation that leads to death. In that kind of situation your mind works differently, the senses are amplified and the spirits of the land have a strong presence you can't avoid. In that mode the fairy houses stand out, everything is primordial except them, they're young with a different intent behind them than everything else. People that die out there are usually found next to the rocks. It's also the most likely place to find animal corpses, the ground next to some of them is full of skeletons.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Take your fricking meds

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Everything I said is empirically true, it's possible to find everything referenced. I left out parts of story and what I think are plausible explanations to make it more mysterious, like something from an old myth.
            You're the reason why nobody in the mainstream understands any stories older than like a century. Mindless morons everywhere telling everyone they have the right formula on how to think. You're just an idiot, you shouldn't lie to yourself that it's a good thing.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Sounds like Australian abos saying "no you can't build that bridge over a creek on your property, the Ninjabingalooga spirit will be slain if you do!"

            None of that shit is real in a pure material sense. The closest it gets is the "realness" of Santa Claus; there is no fat immortal in the north pole making toys but there is a "real" concept being celebrated

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >I left out parts of story and what I think are plausible explanations to make it more mysterious, like something from an old myth.
            Ys was in Doggerland and the legends about the sea reclaiming it are an echo of that mundane historic event. That doesn't mean gay fairy bullshit was involved
            >You're the reason why nobody in the mainstream understands any stories older than like a century.
            No the problem there is the fact they can't think abstractly on multiple perspectives with different kinds of truth that don't contradict eachother
            >Mindless morons everywhere telling everyone they have the right formula on how to think.
            If they do then it survives testing. Fairies never did. One person needs to reject a superstition to destroy it

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >If they do then it survives testing. Fairies never did.
            What can survive testing are claims like fairies did exist according to church records and the state spends a lot of money taking detours around the rocks.
            My claims about the subtle features of the rocks that are hard to notice except in certain contexts also hold.
            So we have old descriptions of a phenomena in a mythical costume.
            And we have observed very obvious and testable phenomena on the ground, in the same locations doing some of the same things the supposed fairies were doing to people.
            You're caught up in the name, the label people with very different worldviews used for subtle phenomena because you're so le enlightened and rational. So rational that you can't even read anymore, all history is lost to you. You reduce all these stories to cartoons, from literally Disney and then dismiss them based on that.

            Atlantis is probably the best example of this kind of illiteracy of history because the evidence is so blatant now but people like you will huff and puff about how you know all about how wrong these "superstitions" are. Despite the directions being very clear you don't know where it is because like a century ago some "rational" moron like you decided a story can't be both referencing a real location/history and be allegorical. These "rational" people did not adjust this dogma when we got pictures from space of what looks like Atlantis and you still haven't now that the geologists confirmed a lost paradise world there, exactly where Plato said.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            There's more evidence of the Clovis culture as a distinct "Pre Native American" civilization than there is fairies have any material reality to them. Angels and demons are more fricking real than fairies because at least in their own mythologies they're explicitly immaterial beings of pure intellect. Fairies are afraid of fricking metal.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            I gave you plenty of think about and talk about, with specifics points you could follow up on but instead you just sperg. I pointed out that you like to deploy thought stopping dogma like this to undermine your own understanding of history and your answer is to do exactly that, not even with a single reference to anything I actually said.

            >Atlantis is probably the best example of this kind of illiteracy of history because the evidence is so blatant now but people like you will huff and puff about how you know all about how wrong these "superstitions" are. Despite the directions being very clear you don't know where it is because like a century ago some "rational" moron like you decided a story can't be both referencing a real location/history and be allegorical. These "rational" people did not adjust this dogma when we got pictures from space of what looks like Atlantis and you still haven't now that the geologists confirmed a lost paradise world there, exactly where Plato said.
            If it's real, it's just a flooded Azores Plateau. Besides, Plato's Atlantis wasn't Herodotus. It was basically a thought experiment to make statement about Athens's moral superiority. He literally was relaying an account of Solon's cousin or something. In context, Atlantis was like the Book of Mormon, Solon was Joseph Smith, Plato was Brigham Young, and the modern Mormon religion was only started 50 years ago because a bunch of weirdos found some 1800s historical fiction and built an elaborate worldview about how real it is

            >If it's real, it's just a flooded Azores Plateau
            Braindead. There are explicit and very simple directions which you never read. If they even bother to read it most of the fake "rationalists" like you get off track at the pillars of hercules but even if you incorrectly place them at Gibraltar the area that's being discussed is still close to that. Pulling out Azores is just completely braindead. Based on nothing. The geological science is telling us they found a lost world in the area said the be the lost world.
            >It was basically a thought experiment
            Oh really mister moron regurgitating the exact pop media narrative I said you would with no thought or engagement at all. The tradition of the time was to place these thought experiments in historical contexts. The description this guy randomly made up predicts what scientists are now finding out about the area. You can't put 2+2 together because of moronic baggage. You forgot how to think.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Oh really mister moron regurgitating the exact pop media narrative I said you would with no thought or engagement at all
            The narrative itself is explicitly set up like that

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Cope and seethe. What's your version? An alien spaceship? Precursor race?

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Getting stuck at Gibraltar is kind of the underlying issue I'm talking about in a nutshell. The baggage of the language which implies a popular consensus takes precedent to real analysis.
            Just googling alternatives gives a result saying an early version of the Argonautica placed the pillars as the entrance to Lake Tritonis. We already have the beginning of an alternative model to explore. What happens if we imagine following the directions through these pillars? It leads to the world geologists are rediscovering, the largest water system in the world including the Amazon and the Nile as late as 6k years ago. When Plato lived it lead to mud and saltflats, like he said at his time surrounded the city.

            >Oh really mister moron regurgitating the exact pop media narrative I said you would with no thought or engagement at all
            The narrative itself is explicitly set up like that

            It's explicitly an allegory and I explicitly said it was in two posts before this one. You replied to one of them trying to correct that by regurgitating the exact same popular consensus I already referenced. When it comes to the geography of the setting and rough outline of history he says that was relayed to him by an Egyptian with access to older libraries than any Greek had. It's the setting in which he explores his ideas about an empire like the Egyptian described roughly.
            Like I just mentioned this was common, it had to be since you need some basis for thinking about things. Like literature uses myths as an extended vocabulary scholars used stories of lost worlds as settings for imagined utopias.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Just googling alternatives gives a result saying an early version of the Argonautica placed the pillars as the entrance to Lake Tritonis. We already have the beginning of an alternative model to explore. What happens if we imagine following the directions through these pillars? It leads to the world geologists are rediscovering, the largest water system in the world including the Amazon and the Nile as late as 6k years ago. When Plato lived it lead to mud and saltflats, like he said at his time surrounded the city
            Pics? Models? Where 5he hell is Tritonus?

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >I gave you plenty of think about and talk about, with specifics points you could follow up on but instead you just sperg. I pointed out that you like to deploy thought stopping dogma like this to undermine your own understanding of history and your answer is to do exactly that, not even with a single reference to anything I actually said.
            The Shroud of Turin is more historically real and what it claims to he than any fairy shit you rambled about with no sauce or proofsters

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >random x thing I heard about is more better
            It's like you really have no clue how to begin to think about anything. You're actively working to avoid thinking.

            Cope and seethe. What's your version? An alien spaceship? Precursor race?

            Such conjecture is separate from the observed facts like what area Plato was referencing.
            I imagine the area as consistent with the timeline, stone age people. The area is full of weights from fishing nets made of stone. It could all be more recent but I suspect they had fishing boats before the original disaster 12k years ago. If you want to get wild the possibility they had compasses and concrete is definitely there. I like to imagine they had a lot of bird based technology like the Phoenician explorers and people from this culture traversed the oceans all over.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            I bet you believe in the Electric Universe too

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Why? Again you show no hint of understanding how to think. You're not referencing anything said, you just parrot random shit you heard in pop media. I barely remember the reference, I'm more of a timecube man.

            >Just googling alternatives gives a result saying an early version of the Argonautica placed the pillars as the entrance to Lake Tritonis. We already have the beginning of an alternative model to explore. What happens if we imagine following the directions through these pillars? It leads to the world geologists are rediscovering, the largest water system in the world including the Amazon and the Nile as late as 6k years ago. When Plato lived it lead to mud and saltflats, like he said at his time surrounded the city
            Pics? Models? Where 5he hell is Tritonus?

            Look it up moron. What happens if you search "lake tritonis"?
            The point I'm making is abstract, Atlantis is a basic exercise in thinking and I already gave you way more than you should need. I didn't know any of this shit when I started following the geographical descriptions and needed some alternative for the pillars from the ancient Greeks other than Gibraltar.
            After imagining more water in the area around this Lake Tritonis the rest of the description falls into place and leads to the eye of the Sahara. Later I googled the history of the water levels, giving me recent articles about the Tamanrasset river system and the global freshwater pulse 12k years ago. The more recent the info, the larger the this river system is portrayed.

            Plato told me what the geological history would say before I knew about it. That's how you can test models, they will say things about the world you can compare with information you already have access to. When I do that with anything from the geographic descriptions of Atlantis from Plato it just reveals more about the history of the area. When you incorporate this info into interpretation of other stories in the are like Hercules it also makes things fit in place. Hercules places the pillars, then crosses a small sea, stays on the Atlas mountains and crosses another sea to Spain. Not consistent with the pillars being Gibraltar.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Atlantis is probably the best example of this kind of illiteracy of history because the evidence is so blatant now but people like you will huff and puff about how you know all about how wrong these "superstitions" are. Despite the directions being very clear you don't know where it is because like a century ago some "rational" moron like you decided a story can't be both referencing a real location/history and be allegorical. These "rational" people did not adjust this dogma when we got pictures from space of what looks like Atlantis and you still haven't now that the geologists confirmed a lost paradise world there, exactly where Plato said.
            If it's real, it's just a flooded Azores Plateau. Besides, Plato's Atlantis wasn't Herodotus. It was basically a thought experiment to make statement about Athens's moral superiority. He literally was relaying an account of Solon's cousin or something. In context, Atlantis was like the Book of Mormon, Solon was Joseph Smith, Plato was Brigham Young, and the modern Mormon religion was only started 50 years ago because a bunch of weirdos found some 1800s historical fiction and built an elaborate worldview about how real it is

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          Christ's fans have a hardon for various people, Christ included, getting mauled in the worst and most imaginative ways possible. They also commit symbolic cannibalism and worship corpses after desecrating them and distributing parts of them to their places of worship.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >symbolic
            >cannibalism
            Ignorance truly is the burden of have been born in protestant land

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Christ sounds like a bloodthirsty psycho, I'm not sure I like this guy.
          The Pagan gods were pretty violent too, there's no room for pacigays in the Divine.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      For my experience, its pagans usually angry that Christians are using their ''intellectual property''. Of course there are some protestants who only trust the bible to convey Christian message, and not celebrations, images and songs. Excluding shows about talking vegetables of course.

  19. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Isn't the Arthurian lore supposed to be that Merlin was destined to be the Antichrist but then he was baptized?

  20. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Being a Christian, he forgave them. Also, killing people is a sin. If you've read more Bible and less pagan fairy tales, you would've known as much.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Also, killing people is a sin
      Murder is a sin, killing sorcerers as sovereign king is justice

  21. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    They were Christian wizards.
    Like how the prohpets of the Old Testament were basically Christian wizards.

    Evil magic doers are people that try to claim power from the devil or whatever

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >They were Christian wizards.
      That's like saying a married bachelor or a non-pedophilic drag queen.
      >Like how the prohpets of the Old Testament were basically Christian wizards.
      Wrong. Prophets had little agency of their own when it came to when and how they act. They could negotiate terms, but otherwise they did as they were told. Wizards do whatever they damn well please as free agents.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Oke oke, hear me out, the french equivalent to Arthur is basically Charlemagne and he had a court scholar that was actually clergy named Alcuin of York, basically the equivalent to Merlin if we follow the arthur-charlemagne analogy

        So just think of Merlin and the others as basically scholars and "learned". And the wizard angle is just anglo romanticism

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          Except Alcuin isn't described as a literal fricking wizard because he was an actual person

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Please find it in your heart to forgive the British.. They just have whimsical hearts, so sometimes they make a historical figure more interesting than they deserve to be

            I'm petty sure Arthur was real, so it stands to reason that Merlin could have been a real person too. Not magic, but perhaps still an intelligent advisor of high repute

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Then give me something akin to that Hercules movie that cast Cerberus as just 3 dogs and various other feats as "hears what got grossly exaggerated wink wink audience!

  22. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Hey guys, I don't know shit about Arthurian Legend but I'm intrigued by Sir Bedivere's character. Could you please recommend me where to start. I specifically like Sir Bedivere because he has a cool name and because of his gallantry (from reading his wikipedia page). Thanks.

  23. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Cause he wasnt a Protestant savage demon creature

  24. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    You know, maybe if actual Medieval literature doesn't match up with what your notion of whatever Medieval Christian culture was supposed to be like then you should probably re-evaluate your position

  25. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    What a moronic thread. This board has some of the stupidest people I’ve ever seen

  26. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Sadly, this thread has already gone to hell. So I, might as well, post my theories about Atlantis :

    >Basic b***h theory
    Atlantis was Tartessos

    >Don't kill me pls theory
    The Strait of Messina was the Pillars of Hercules and Sardinia was Atlantis

    Also, the History of the Kings of Britain is great and the Mabinogion is pretty entertaining too

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Mabinogion
      The people who b***h about Christianity destroying all the ancient context of Celtic and Norse lore can get bent

  27. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    I want to understand how this is not obvious. A guy said there was an island the size of Turkey somewhere near Spain. Now we know the Atlas mountains were effectively on an island approximately the size of Turkey around the time said. You could circle it by boat even though parts of the journey may have been large rivers, this makes it effectively an island for any primitive map makers at least.
    Guy says there was a huge lost world over there, we find out there was a huge lost world there but the guy meant a different lost world? The world we found even has the distinctive stone rings described in the right dimensions.

    >This power came forth out of the Atlantic Ocean, for in those days the Atlantic was navigable; and there was an island situated in front of the straits which you call the Columns of Heracles: the island was larger than Libya and Asia put together, and was the way to other islands, and from the islands you might pass through the whole of the opposite continent which surrounded the true ocean; for this sea which is within the Straits of Heracles is only a harbor, having a narrow entrance, but that other is a real sea, and the surrounding land may be most truly called a continent.
    Lake Tritonis is the harbor sea described, south of that was a huge lake, "real sea" and connected river system that emptied out in the west.
    >Now, in the island of Atlantis there was a great and wonderful empire, which had rule over the whole island and several others, as well as over parts of the continent; and, besides these, they subjected the parts of Libya within the Columns of Heracles as far as Egypt, and of Europe as far as Tyrrhenia (Italy).
    It says island twice, the island of Atlantis had rule over the whole island. That's because they used the same word for island and peninsula, relying on context like this repetition to clarify. Atlantis the city is on a peninsula of the large Turkey sized island.
    >But afterward there occurred violent earthquakes and floods, and in a single day and night of rain all your warlike men in a body sunk into the earth, and the island of Atlantis in like manner disappeared, and was sunk beneath the sea.
    "Sunk beneath the sea" is not consistent with the rest, even the words right before and after. This one phrase about it sinking that's inconsistent with the rest of the text became a red herring in popular culture. The peninsula was still there surrounded by mud like the next line then says.
    >And that is the reason why the sea in those parts is impassable and impenetrable, because there is such a quantity of shallow mud in the way; and this was caused by the subsidence of the island
    The land likely rose during the first disaster, the eye is originally a geological phenomena caused by the land lifting and lowering over time. Black science man says the global event 12k years ago caused volcanic eruptions everywhere.

  28. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    If the location of Atlantis really is as obvious as it seems what does that say about all the morons in the world pretending to read? Are all of you really illiterate? Not just this board but the entirety of "academia" is incapable of reading a simple and clear text talking about easily testable things? What hope do you really have of interpreting something slightly complex like Arthurian legends, myths about spirits or the Bible?

  29. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    that's what so great about European Civilization, it didn't behave as dogmatic as their enemies the arabic islamists, but it wasn't purely secular such as the east asian societies, it could alternate between religious fervor and rational thinking

  30. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    it's folklore homie, it's all just a mix-and-match of a bunch of different ideas from a bunch of different periods. might as well be asking why there's dragons and ladies in lakes when they aren't usually found irl.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Folklore was supposed to die out with paganism

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        no it wasn't. who told you that?

  31. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Bro Code trumps prostitute lies.
    can tell you do not have friends

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