Why can nobody seemingly respond to the argument that Islam is good because it upholds all historical and traditional values like marriage and family?

Why can nobody seemingly respond to the argument that Islam is good because it upholds all historical and traditional values like marriage and family?

Pic related guy just repeats it over and over and over again and everyone is convinced saying what an amazing argument it is.

>"let me show you the suicide rates in atheism countries compared to the countries in Africa and the Middle East where family and marriage is important"

>"all we need to do is look at all the men dying alone in their cold, dull bedrooms in places like Japan because they don't have marriage and family. Islam provides that"

Basic stuff like this knocks the audience off their seats in amazement.

Is it really this easy to beat atheists?

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  1. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Why can nobody seemingly respond to the argument that Islam is good because it upholds all historical and traditional values like marriage and family?
    Because Muslims go "nuh uh" to all answers like the moronic toddlers they are. A thread died for this.

  2. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    you can say this about any religion, not really unique to Islam. You will be damned to hell if you have a nice day

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      That's my point. His arguments are so basic that you can use them for any religion or belief system at all that holds marriage and family to be important yet when he expresses these arguments even the atheists seem stumped and concede "err yeah I guess that's a reasonable point"

      I guess I'm just struggling to understand why something so simple as "Islam good because tradition is better than degeneracy" works on atheists. Like how can he be scoring all these victories for Islam based on such a basic simple argument that amounts to degeneracy bad, tradition good?

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        1. muslims are extremely stupid and any argument is convincing for them.

        2. most atheists are woke and think any minor critique of islam is racism.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          What about all those neutral people though claiming "Wow Daniel came out so strong!! I'm an agnostic but Daniel has convinced me here", "I have to admit I'm ashamed to be an atheist right now Daniel is beast OMG!". he always posts comments like that after one of his debates proving that non-Muslims are amazed by his arguments. And yet when I watch the debate all I see is essentially a guy saying "Look marriage and family is part of history, all societies have practiced this, look at all the incels in Japan without family. And somehow people are falling over themselves to lavish him with praise for using this

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            there's no ""neutral"" people in daniel's videos, lol.

            it's all either muslims larping as atheists, borderline ex-muslims and redditors from r/debatereligion

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            This

            Plus Daniel buys bots. This is known

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            This

            Plus Daniel buys bots. This is known

            I'm not so sure. I watched the debate he did with Arron Ra and it seemed to be a lot of atheists and fence sitters who were claiming Arron did poorly and Daniel was amazing. I've seen some debates of Daniel where he said the most moronic nonsense I've ever heard then concluded with "THIS is why family is important, a healthy marriage, kids, Islam provides that. Do we want a society of young men killing themselves as they eat the bugs?"

            The responses are always something like

            "I give the edge to Daniel here, very strong showing"

            from non-Muslims

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Can you tell us what you think Daniel's argument was?

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            His argument basically amounts to "Islam is the answer because it upholds family and marriage and other traditional values whereas atheism promotes living and dying alone in misery without family"

            for some reason the thousands tuning into these debates love this argument and find it to be amazingly convincing including the atheist debater who will often just roll over and provide no refutation only please the audience more

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Islam is the answer because it upholds family and marriage and other traditional values
            this is not an argument, it's a claim, which could be supported empirically or by arguments

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Daniel argued that in richer atheist places suicide and misery rates are higher than in poorer religious places (Africa, Middle East, Central America etc) because religion and tradition are true happiness and that's why we need islam and religion generally. he supported it with various studies. He was widely praised for this by the audience and encountered no objections from atheists who seemed to concede the point. What I'm struggling to understand is how is that an atheist cannot counter something as basic as this in a debate about what is better for society? Daniel says life in a religious place in South America is better than an atheist place in Europe. Where is the rebuttal to this if Daniel is wrong?

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah, I also remember when Atheists just shut up, it's not like Daniel is known for always mocking his opponents anytime they refute his "arguments."

            What's the point of arguing if Daniel response is always
            >LALALALA I CANT HEAR YOU, COPE AND SEETHE L + RATIO

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >encountered no objections from atheists
            He's encountered plenty of objections, he just puts his fingers in his ears and says LALALALALA when people point out that Islam turns everywhere it spreads into a shithole. The fact that he doesn't live in an Islamic country is a testament to that fact.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            He said he can’t move because of his elderly parents he cares for

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            How Islam help?
            Say I'm more prone to depression/suicide because I'm not surrounded by a (religious) community that provides purpose and meaning to my life.
            Daniel think Islam can do that, right? If so, he's moronic
            In order to be a Muslim, I need to think that it's true that some guy talked to an angel in a cave 1500 years ago.
            Can't do that. Because I'm way less gullible than Daniel.
            Islam is not a live option.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            I think the problem might be that you're a very naive person. I'm going to be honest with you and say that I have never once seen Daniel say anything that was even remotely compelling.
            If conspiratorial nonsense like that is the best he has, then there's really nothing going for him.

            His argument basically amounts to "Islam is the answer because it upholds family and marriage and other traditional values whereas atheism promotes living and dying alone in misery without family"

            for some reason the thousands tuning into these debates love this argument and find it to be amazingly convincing including the atheist debater who will often just roll over and provide no refutation only please the audience more

            Seeing this made me think of another possibility. I've seen you post more or less the exact same thing on multiple occasions. Are you getting paid to post this here, or are you part of a discord that has decided it want to try and proselytize on this board?

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            I have not posted about Daniel before on here. I am genuinely intrigued how a man can bring forth the same claims and the same arguments over and over again and never be refuted and instead have the audience eating out of the palm of his hand, especially as what he is bringing is something so simple that anyone can bring these things. A israelite can bring them, a Christian can bring them. An Amish guy can bring them. These are not complex lines of argument Daniel is saying yet he amazes his audience each time and beats the atheists with them

            Daniel does not even need to argue from theology. He does need to mention anything to do with the actual theology or beliefs of Islam because just him saying "Hey look at these statistics here about the correlation between abortion and suicide rates. Marriage and tradition is healthy and necessary for a functional society" and that's enough.

            I just don't get how an atheist is unable to deal with something so simple as that. I would think that would be a common objection against atheism and that atheists would have it in their arsenal to easily refute it but somehow Daniel manages to triumph all the time using it

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >I have not posted about Daniel before on here.
            I find that hard to believe. I didn't have to go back that far to find a thread that is extremely similar in tone and phrasing to the one we're in right now. Who's paying you to post this here?

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Why would there be Muslims hanging out in Hyde Park?

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Muslims like to hang around speaker's corner and debate people.

            No that’s not me but I do agree with that thread though. I don’t understand why you think it’s odd that more than one person would be posting about Daniel anyway. The guy is a well renowned figure based off the same debates I am talking about. This is how he got known by everyone praising him for these debates. If there are other people posting the same thing then obviously they noticed it too that atheists seem to struggle with basic arguments against this guy. It’s weird. It’s like the atheists are placed there like bums for Daniel to knock down and collect the praise

            I really don't believe you. I f you can provide some some prof that you didn't post the thread, I'll concede, but I find it a bit too much of a coincidence that people would make multiple threads about the same person using the exact same tone and phrasing like this thread and the one in the screenshot. Secondly, I've never seen him receive any praise outside of environments where he exerts a great deal of control. The places where actual neutrality towards him exists seems to to regularly point out the absurdity of his positions and the way in which he behaves immaturely to prevent debate from happening. He's done this to the extent of totally emasculating himself ion front of an audience before. We can even see form your posts that his arguments aren't serious. Whether it's pushing conspiratorial nonsense (as seen here

            [...]

            I'm not so sure. I watched the debate he did with Arron Ra and it seemed to be a lot of atheists and fence sitters who were claiming Arron did poorly and Daniel was amazing. I've seen some debates of Daniel where he said the most moronic nonsense I've ever heard then concluded with "THIS is why family is important, a healthy marriage, kids, Islam provides that. Do we want a society of young men killing themselves as they eat the bugs?"

            The responses are always something like

            "I give the edge to Daniel here, very strong showing"

            from non-Muslims

            ) or just objectively incorrect reasoning (as seen here

            I have not posted about Daniel before on here. I am genuinely intrigued how a man can bring forth the same claims and the same arguments over and over again and never be refuted and instead have the audience eating out of the palm of his hand, especially as what he is bringing is something so simple that anyone can bring these things. A israelite can bring them, a Christian can bring them. An Amish guy can bring them. These are not complex lines of argument Daniel is saying yet he amazes his audience each time and beats the atheists with them

            Daniel does not even need to argue from theology. He does need to mention anything to do with the actual theology or beliefs of Islam because just him saying "Hey look at these statistics here about the correlation between abortion and suicide rates. Marriage and tradition is healthy and necessary for a functional society" and that's enough.

            I just don't get how an atheist is unable to deal with something so simple as that. I would think that would be a common objection against atheism and that atheists would have it in their arsenal to easily refute it but somehow Daniel manages to triumph all the time using it

            ) that there's nothing serious to engage with. This is pointed out to you in every one of your threads, yet instead of responding you keep repeating yourself and beating your chest in triumph. What you're proving is not that Daniel makes good arguments, but that the people who think he's making good arguments are either moronic or shills.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            I am responding. My response is that I don’t believe that all those praising him and saying “wow I came into this debate a Christian on the verge of atheism and left a Muslim. I’m taking my shahada tomorrow! Thanks Daniel!”, “Daniel can I tel you how much I love you for reacquainting me with practicing my religion? I am Christian but I am looking into Islam now. Love you Daniel!”

            There are tons of comments like this after every single one of his debates. How can all those people be fake accounts or bots? Obviously daniels methods of citing this stuff “you will end up In a pod eating bugs dying alone in a cold lonely apartment look at Japan” obviously this is working because all these people are basically licking daniels boots and fawning over him post debate. And these people are not Muslim just cheering him on for the sake of it

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >How can all those people be fake accounts or bots?
            Astroturfing isn't that hard. There's people you can pay to do that.
            >My response is that I don’t believe that all those praising him and saying “wow I came into this debate a Christian on the verge of atheism and left a Muslim. I’m taking my shahada tomorrow! Thanks Daniel!”, “Daniel can I tel you how much I love you for reacquainting me with practicing my religion? I am Christian but I am looking into Islam now. Love you Daniel!”
            This seems remarkably similar to some posts on this board for someone who has never posted about him before.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            No that’s not me but I do agree with that thread though. I don’t understand why you think it’s odd that more than one person would be posting about Daniel anyway. The guy is a well renowned figure based off the same debates I am talking about. This is how he got known by everyone praising him for these debates. If there are other people posting the same thing then obviously they noticed it too that atheists seem to struggle with basic arguments against this guy. It’s weird. It’s like the atheists are placed there like bums for Daniel to knock down and collect the praise

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >struggle with basic arguments against this guy
            how can Islam help me, if I don't think it's true that some guy talked to an angel in a cave 2000 years ago?

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >"Hey look at these statistics here about the correlation between abortion and suicide rates. Marriage and tradition is healthy and necessary for a functional society" and that's enough.
            Noting a correlation is never enough. You and the people who watch you tube debates being too stupid to understand that is another issue entirely.

  3. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >over and over again and everyone is convinced saying what an amazing argument it is.
    >Is it really this easy to beat atheists?
    so, your argument is that muslims are moronic and easily impressionable by anything therefore atheists owned?

  4. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why do Muslims go to live in Atheist societies if they're so bad?

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Demographic conquest. They think being a janitor and living in a studio apartment with their entire extended family is a form of jihad.

  5. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >>"let me show you the suicide rates in atheism countries compared to the countries in Africa and the Middle East where family and marriage is important"
    >>"all we need to do is look at all the men dying alone in their cold, dull bedrooms in places like Japan because they don't have marriage and family. Islam provides that"
    I'm sure that Daniel has a thoroughly researched and nuanced understanding of these social phenomena, and isn't just throwing around knee-jerk responses for points in debates.

  6. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    That argument only works against atheists when you're a muslim because atheists are quintessentially afraid of hurting the feelings of brown subhumans, when a Christian says the same thing suddenly the arguments don't work

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      What are you talking about?
      Christians gets sent to hell for being racist, atheists can do whatever they want

  7. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    If you think Daniel "arguments" are amazing, no wonder why the average IQ in Saudi Arabia is 72.

  8. 5 months ago
    Radiochan

    it kind of doesn't because their answers are almost literally either marry your cousin, marry an underaged girl, or marry your underaged cousin
    also there are a lot of incels in places where polygamous marriage is permitted, it makes the crisis even worse

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      There's the other answer, which is "go and commit acts of violence to advance our faith, and you'll be gifted wit celestial women in the afterlife."

  9. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    I'd don't get it
    What's the argument? I'm not against marriage -> causes good outcomes

    Isn't he supposed to argue for it being true that some guy talked to an angel in a cave 1500 years ago?

  10. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Islam is good because it upholds all historical and traditional values like marriage and family?
    But it doesn't.

  11. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >B-b-but what about shithole countries in the middle-east??
    REAL ISLAM HAS NEVER BEEN TRIED

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Daniel said Afghanistan is real Islam.

      Yet he's a pussy like all trad Muslims and won't go to live where their mouth is.

  12. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >it upholds all historical and traditional values like marriage and family?
    It literally doesn't.
    >child marriage
    >polygamy
    >no hijab for slave women
    >rape
    >grooming gangs
    >adult breastfeeding
    >rampant sodomy
    >drug trafficking
    >cuckoldry
    >temporary marriage
    >sex with dead wife
    >72 houris
    >"""""""""""""""""traditional values"""""""""""""""

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      marriage
      And remember that Daniel has said that it's okay to do this with three year olds in specific circumstances.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yes he said you can marry them and it was common in the west and traditional history until liberalism

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          He said sex was okay in cases of precocious puberty. Three was the lowest age he gave solely because he didn't think it could occur before that.
          Even if that were the case. Believing that children are able to consent to entering into the social, political, economic and sexual relationship that is marriage is genuinely monstrous. If it was liberalism that stopped us from seeing things that way, then liberalism is good and decent, and those who oppose it on this point are evil and monstrous. And if one of you wants to claim that marriage isn't a sexual relationship, I'll site the works of one of the great scholars that has repeatedly posted on this subject in many, many, many threads.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Yes he said you can marry them and it was common in the west and traditional history until liberalism
          This wasn't the case and it's never been the case. The fact that the dude who married the 12 year old girl in that one meme image was literally run out of town is a demonstration of that. Even amongst Europe's nobility you weren't allowed to just buy a 9 year old, you had to go through a lengthy betrothal process which, effectively, just resulted in you securing actual cohabitation when the woman came of age.

          You can sort of throw this criticism at Hindus, but again they're just arranging marriages very, VERY far before actual cohabitation, they aren't letting clerics just bang 9 year olds like Muzzies want.

  13. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >we should base our beliefs on what’s socially useful rather than what’s actually true

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah that’s my point with Daniel he doesn’t even need to attempt to explain WHY ISLAM ITSELF IS TRUE, everything he says is about what’s best socially and judging it based on historical tradition and traditional cultures and people see that as enough, no need to go past it. As long as he can prove that atheistic societies have a high rate of day suicide or inceldom, then he can posit Islam as the solution without even getting into any theology at all and everyone will love it and praise him and say how great he is at shutting down atheists

  14. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because all he does is spew bullshit. Michael fricking destroyed him when debating child marriage. Daniel is a pedo and should get the rope.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      You can explain it to him until you're blue in the face, and it will make no difference. This is a literal shill who has been promoting this junk for at least, if not more than, a year.

  15. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    > countries in Africa and the Middle East where family and marriage is important

  16. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Muslims literally believe their profit sucked penises.

  17. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Why can nobody seemingly respond to the argument that Islam is good because it upholds all historical and traditional values like marriage and family?
    Marrying your cousin is le based and trad!

    Islam encourages inbreeding and clan societies that creates economically backwards failed states

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