Why are there no life-affirming religions anymore?

Every major religion from Christianity to Islam to Buddhism basically says "this world is evil" and gives you a laundry-list of things that are either regarded as "sinful" or at least as things you should avoid doing.

There seems to be no option for a religion for someone who wants to be spiritual, but doesn't want to be a self-hating ascetic that disconnects himself from the world.

Where are the life-affirming religions? Where are the religions which tell us "this world is beautiful and is a gift from God, and we must go forth and build great civilisations in this world to honour him"?

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  1. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because if you want to connect with the divine you should remove attachment to the pleasures of the flesh.

    This is like asking why doctors proscribe their patients diets where they don't spend the whole day eating copious amounts of McDonalds.

  2. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    How about you just pick a religion and follow it normally like 99% of people do instead of being autistically weird about it. No one cares about the philosophical/theological implications of a religion being "life-affirming" or not, they just follow the religion as it's practiced in their society.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      You cannot follow Christianity without hating life on this Earth to at least some degree.

      >“If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters—yes, even their own life—such a person cannot be my disciple.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        The meaning of those words is distorted to the point of meaninglessness and self-parody, but I can't fault you for having that interpretation, since that's what's commonly presented, including by believers.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        Please tell me how normal Christians, not ascetic monks, hate life on this Earth.

        And I don't care about your Bible verses because a religion is more than your interpretation of one verse from one of it's holy texts. I'm talking about how it's actually practiced by the people.

        That's a nice-sounding theory and all, but in practice, everything pleasurable is condemned as sinful, that being the whole point: if not everything was sinful, then man might, god forbid, not feel himself so in need of the "kindly offered" salvation, thus the center of gravity of preaching is to decry everything that one might find pleasurable as sinful. But I shall reserve judgment, lest I attribute any unfairly to you.

        Every single religion has certain restrictions on earthly pleasures, whether they are completely banned or there's a specific way to do them. If you're looking for a religion with no restrictions like these, you're never going to find it.

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Please tell me how normal Christians, not ascetic monks, hate life on this Earth.
          It's pervasive throughout the whole religion. Faithful Christians act as if it's obvious that this world is evil and that the only thing that matters is worshipping God and getting into Heaven.

          Even seemingly normal Christians with husbands/wives and large families will talk as if they absolutely despise life as a human and like the only thing they care about is being a slave to God.

          >And I don't care about your Bible verses because a religion is more than your interpretation of one verse from one of it's holy texts. I'm talking about how it's actually practiced by the people.
          If some Christians are living their life in a way which is contradictory to Christian tradition and scriptures, then they're basically not Christian in any meaningful sense.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            >It's pervasive throughout the whole religion. Faithful Christians act as if it's obvious that this world is evil and that the only thing that matters is worshipping God and getting into Heaven.
            I'm asking for examples. You just restated what you already said.

            >will talk as if they absolutely despise life as a human and like the only thing they care about is being a slave to God.
            I've never heard any Christians say this. Most actually think life is a gift from God. I don't think you have any real interactions with Christians, maybe only moronic larpers online.

            >If some Christians are living their life in a way which is contradictory to Christian tradition and scriptures, then they're basically not Christian in any meaningful sense.
            My point is that we can go back and forth debating scripture, giving verses that affirm life and verses that don't, but a religion is more than that. I'm asking how you can demonstrate normal Christians (not monks) hate life based on their actions.

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Every single religion has certain restrictions on earthly pleasures
          We live in John Calvin's grey nightmare-world, there are no pleasures to speak of anymore. That's a whole new category sad: even sin has become impossible. All we have are fake sins, like masturbation and trivial "thought-crimes", or saying "God damn it". It is genuinely pathetic. Do you know what real "earthly pleasures" are? Keeping a harm of sex-slaves. Robbing a whole village. Building a palace for yourself while everyone around you starves, imposing exorbitant taxes on the poor, having one affairs after another while your wife cries at home, lying in the opium-den all day. This is a grey-in-grey world without any meaningful pleasure, yet people are still hounded for "the sinful pleasure", while they live in shitboxes and watch Youtube or Netflix, and maybe take anti-depressants. It's like being a policeman in a world without crime.

          I can only talk about Christianity, since I don't know the other religions well enough (well, I do know Stoicism and Platonism well enough, but they don't have many adherents nowadays).

          For Christianity, your biggest aim should be to get closer to God. To love God. And to love others like you love yourself.
          When you live a live of pleasure, of considering pleasure to be a good, you end up replacing your aim. You get attached to this world.

          Your lifestyle is not hedonistic, if what you said is all of it. But in your case, you are not looking for God. In some ways, you don't have a hedonistic lifestyle but you do have hedonistic attachments somehow given you value it so much you are looking for a religion which is OK with it.

          And like [...] said, you are going about it the wrong day.
          You go from "beliefs of the divine" to "how I should live". Not the opposite.
          If you are someone who believes in God, there is no point on trying to please the ghost of Nietzsche. Following God is the most important.

          >you do have hedonistic attachments somehow given you value it so much you are looking for a religion which is OK with it.
          You just made that charge up.
          >But in your case, you are not looking for God.
          That too. By the way, I am looking, and let me tell you: I do not like what I find, because I've never seen & heard such vile and evil behavior and words as I have seen from "stout believers". I will not accuse you of being one such yourself, but I'll also note how eager you are to make up some charge just to convict me of something.
          Note your own words above: "somehow": "ok, it's not hedonism... but it's hedonism somehow", one might read out. In a court where conviction is pre-guaranteed, making any defense is pointless. If I had said that I was homeless, or lived on rice & beans & vitamin pills, would I be hearing about hedonism? Would literally any amount of asceticism be "good enough"?

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            >You just made that charge up.
            Isn't this the point of this thread? You seem to be looking for a "life affirming religion".

            The point is "is your lifestyle hedonistic"? From what you have said, no, not really. My lifestyle is probably less ascetic than yours and I'm not hedonistic.

            But your "demand" that a religion should be "life affirming" shows a kind of attachment to the pleasures, even if your lifestyle seems to be ascetic enough.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            I should clarify I'm not OP, fair enough. Sorry for the confusion.

            Those sins are all still possible and done today, you're just not strong or rich enough to do them, and even back in the day most people weren't either.

            And the people who do them are seldom condemned. One could say that those doing the condemning usually are not rich or strong enough to condemn them. Whereas, and I really won't lay this on your shoulders, the general idea seems to be to terrorize ordinary people constantly - this generally tends to be done by Evangelicals. Not by all of them, and not solely, but as a general rule of thumb, it seems to me.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            Those sins are all still possible and done today, you're just not strong or rich enough to do them, and even back in the day most people weren't either.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        That just means loving Jesus more than your own life and your family, meaning you will put him first. Historically speaking consider the slogan "God, family, country" - the general understanding is to put God first because we owe everything we have to God. Even pagans put their gods first, recognizing the need to have the favor of divinity.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        Jesus liked saying provocative stuff and using hyperbole. It's obvious he doesn't mean this literally with the stuff he says about loving everyone. He's just saying that your love and devotion to God should be greater than that to your family.

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          What profound wisdom from the supposed galaxy brain programmer of the universe.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            He was preaching to a people who had stopped earnestly seeking a relationship with God and instead dedicated themselves to following his rules.

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Jesus was only pretending to be moronic.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            This is how Jesus lost most of his followers before he got killed:

            >Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in them. Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me. This is the bread that came down from heaven. Your ancestors ate manna and died, but whoever feeds on this bread will live forever.” He said this while teaching in the synagogue in Capernaum.

            >On hearing it, many of his disciples said, “This is a hard teaching. Who can accept it?”
            John 6:53-60

            Reminder he fed the apostles his flesh and blood with bread and wine during the Last Supper.

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          >He's just saying that your love and devotion to God should be greater than that to your family.
          >>>>>just
          this is still an incredibly fricked up thing to say. Your whole point here is that jesus said something that's kind of fricked up in an extremely fricked up way, which it goes without saying is a terrible defense.
          >no no no, I'm not actually saying we should murder all babies, just, y'know, a couple of them 🙂

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            Jesus has also said:

            >The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself. There is no commandment greater than these.
            Mark 12:31

            >But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you.
            Luke 6:27-28

            Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one’s life for one’s friends.
            John 15:13

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            >But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you.
            Literally Justin Trudeau tier cuckoldry, kek.
            "If you fight your enemies then they win!"

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            it's all fluff, unless you think these passages obliviate the requirement to subordinate the love of your family for the worship of god.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            They do, but that doesn't mean you should neglect loving those around you. God wants us to care for one another.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            By "they do," I mean of course that yes, you must suborn your love of your family to your love of God.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            >you must suborn your love of your family to your love of God.
            K, that's all I wanted to know. You worship a demon.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            Why do you say that?

  3. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Death is more terrifying than life. People have faith because they're scared.

  4. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Every major religion from Christianity to Islam to Buddhism basically says "this world is evil"
    Christianity (and I would expect Islam, but idk) affirm that the world is Good - it was created by God, who is Goodness itself. Sin is evil, and sin is something that humans bring into the world, starting with Adam. Sin is tempting, and pleasurable, but it is not good. This is not perhaps the message good little hedonists want to hear, but it is a condemnation of the worldly (human sinfulness), not the world (Gods creation). In general those who give themselves over to God and abandon sin seem happy, while those who abandon themselves to the "pleasure" of sin seem miserable and lost. So there's some empirical support for this view.

    Buddhism manages a similar trick with "joyful participation in sorrows of the world" and a christianesque universal love from that position, but at root it is life-denying in a way Christianity isn't.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      That's a nice-sounding theory and all, but in practice, everything pleasurable is condemned as sinful, that being the whole point: if not everything was sinful, then man might, god forbid, not feel himself so in need of the "kindly offered" salvation, thus the center of gravity of preaching is to decry everything that one might find pleasurable as sinful. But I shall reserve judgment, lest I attribute any unfairly to you.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        Aren't you pretty much agreeing that when you live a hedonistic life you distance yourself from the divine?

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          >hedonistic lifestyle
          The central issue is what counts as "hedonistic", which is in the same ball-park as "repentance": people are constantly getting called to "repent". Ok, repent from what, exactly? I live a completely normal life: I live in a single-bedroom apartment, have a normal job, I don't spend much on luxury goods, I hardly ever take vacations and then only some trips 3-4 days long, and that's pretty much it, I go to the movies maybe once a year. Sometimes I order a pizza. So where's the hedonism, of what do I need to repent, here? All I ever hear are some... seemingly somewhat confused people, telling me to "repent". I'm not running the mafia or stealing from orphans, I'm not murdering people for a living.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            I can only talk about Christianity, since I don't know the other religions well enough (well, I do know Stoicism and Platonism well enough, but they don't have many adherents nowadays).

            For Christianity, your biggest aim should be to get closer to God. To love God. And to love others like you love yourself.
            When you live a live of pleasure, of considering pleasure to be a good, you end up replacing your aim. You get attached to this world.

            Your lifestyle is not hedonistic, if what you said is all of it. But in your case, you are not looking for God. In some ways, you don't have a hedonistic lifestyle but you do have hedonistic attachments somehow given you value it so much you are looking for a religion which is OK with it.

            And like

            Because if you want to connect with the divine you should remove attachment to the pleasures of the flesh.

            This is like asking why doctors proscribe their patients diets where they don't spend the whole day eating copious amounts of McDonalds.

            said, you are going about it the wrong day.
            You go from "beliefs of the divine" to "how I should live". Not the opposite.
            If you are someone who believes in God, there is no point on trying to please the ghost of Nietzsche. Following God is the most important.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        >but in practice, everything pleasurable is condemned as sinful
        How about you focus on good and constructive pleasurable things as opposed to immediately reaching for "can i goon to troony porn all day" as the standard?

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          Indeed: how about focusing the on the good, as opposed to "what fricking sin can I find in my neighbor"?
          Not that it matters, I know that the only thing I'll be given freely is damnation; asking for salvation from anyone is no use anyway. Keep your so-called salvation, which you deny to others, I don't want it.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      Christianity goes far beyond what is reasonable and starts proclaiming unnecessary things as "sins" for seemingly no reason.

      For instance, I can absolutely understand why sex before marriage is a sin, because it is a good thing to encourage humans to establish monogamous relationships and produce children, rather than to promiscuously have non-committal sex with strangers. But why, then, is it also considered a sin to have sex WITHIN marriage for non-procreative purposes? Why is it sinful for your loving wife to give you a blowjob, what possible harm is that act doing to you or anybody else?

      Islam, ironically, is better on this issue - they basically permit husbands/wives to partake in sex as much as they want (apart from anal sex and swallowing which are considered haram). But then they forbid a whole bunch of other things which are equally moronic and life-denying (eg. forbidding listening to any non-religious music).

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        >But why, then, is it also considered a sin to have sex WITHIN marriage for non-procreative purposes?
        Isn't this mostly a Catholic thing?

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      >but at root it is life-denying in a way Christianity isn't.
      Christianity is a literal death cult, anon. The entire focus is on preparing yourself for death, the most important figure in the religion and the most important act by that figure was him being tortured to death, and the primary symbol of Christianity, the cross, is an instrument of brutal torture. Christians wear representations of this torture instrument around their necks while they celebrate Jesus being tortured to death and eagerly await the time when their God will destroy the world.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        While that strain is there, I feel that just making that blanket change is unfair to

        >Every major religion from Christianity to Islam to Buddhism basically says "this world is evil"
        Christianity (and I would expect Islam, but idk) affirm that the world is Good - it was created by God, who is Goodness itself. Sin is evil, and sin is something that humans bring into the world, starting with Adam. Sin is tempting, and pleasurable, but it is not good. This is not perhaps the message good little hedonists want to hear, but it is a condemnation of the worldly (human sinfulness), not the world (Gods creation). In general those who give themselves over to God and abandon sin seem happy, while those who abandon themselves to the "pleasure" of sin seem miserable and lost. So there's some empirical support for this view.

        Buddhism manages a similar trick with "joyful participation in sorrows of the world" and a christianesque universal love from that position, but at root it is life-denying in a way Christianity isn't.

        . I myself feel prey to that, since I instantly called up the entire PTSD-program I got from Dispensationalists and just projected that onto him the moment he pulled that mental trigger in me, but in the interest of fairness, we do owe it to everyone to evaluate his own positions, not the positions we think he has (also sorry,

        >Every major religion from Christianity to Islam to Buddhism basically says "this world is evil"
        Christianity (and I would expect Islam, but idk) affirm that the world is Good - it was created by God, who is Goodness itself. Sin is evil, and sin is something that humans bring into the world, starting with Adam. Sin is tempting, and pleasurable, but it is not good. This is not perhaps the message good little hedonists want to hear, but it is a condemnation of the worldly (human sinfulness), not the world (Gods creation). In general those who give themselves over to God and abandon sin seem happy, while those who abandon themselves to the "pleasure" of sin seem miserable and lost. So there's some empirical support for this view.

        Buddhism manages a similar trick with "joyful participation in sorrows of the world" and a christianesque universal love from that position, but at root it is life-denying in a way Christianity isn't.

        , and yes, Dispensationalists did give me PTSD, basically).
        What we think of as "Christianity", the meme-religion, is around 200-300 years old, and is similar how we equate Islam with Wahabism, even though Wahabism is also only around 200 years old, got spread via effective propaganda from Saudi Arabia, and was historically alien to the actual Islamic world. Similarly the Dispensationalist/Calvinist version of Christianity is the absolutely most degenerate form of it, and would have been historically seen as deranged and abhorrent to Christians.

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

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          >Every major religion from Christianity to Islam to Buddhism basically says "this world is evil"
          Christianity (and I would expect Islam, but idk) affirm that the world is Good - it was created by God, who is Goodness itself. Sin is evil, and sin is something that humans bring into the world, starting with Adam. Sin is tempting, and pleasurable, but it is not good. This is not perhaps the message good little hedonists want to hear, but it is a condemnation of the worldly (human sinfulness), not the world (Gods creation). In general those who give themselves over to God and abandon sin seem happy, while those who abandon themselves to the "pleasure" of sin seem miserable and lost. So there's some empirical support for this view.

          Buddhism manages a similar trick with "joyful participation in sorrows of the world" and a christianesque universal love from that position, but at root it is life-denying in a way Christianity isn't.

          -chan, anon. And I'm not Christian, so people can say anything they want about the religion and I'm in bothered. It serves for me as a convenient set of ideas to think about life, and it is in that regard that I take it.

          So I'm sorry that Christianity and christians hurt you, it seems to me very plain from the text and the philosophy around it that this should not happen, but it happens very frequently (and I don't think it's unique to Christianity, but I'm a westerner so that's what I know best). If Jesus is real, this is not what he wants; if Jesus is pretend, this is not the point of the pretend Bible stories in any way I can see. The truth of the story, at least, is that we should have compassion for each other, and forgive each other. I hope you find peace anon.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            >I hope you find peace anon.
            Thank you sincerely, anon, I'm trying. It's a daily struggle, but that's probably the case for most people.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

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        >Every major religion from Christianity to Islam to Buddhism basically says "this world is evil"
        Christianity (and I would expect Islam, but idk) affirm that the world is Good - it was created by God, who is Goodness itself. Sin is evil, and sin is something that humans bring into the world, starting with Adam. Sin is tempting, and pleasurable, but it is not good. This is not perhaps the message good little hedonists want to hear, but it is a condemnation of the worldly (human sinfulness), not the world (Gods creation). In general those who give themselves over to God and abandon sin seem happy, while those who abandon themselves to the "pleasure" of sin seem miserable and lost. So there's some empirical support for this view.

        Buddhism manages a similar trick with "joyful participation in sorrows of the world" and a christianesque universal love from that position, but at root it is life-denying in a way Christianity isn't.

        -chan.

        Not Christian, and I didn't mean to imply anything about Buddhism (I should have ended with "but idk much about Buddhism", but I got tired of saying that.). My understanding of Buddhism is that they start with a rejection of life as illusory and designed to trap you with desire, so you learn to transcend this and yet participate in the game, though with this insight. Buddhists also seem much happier than hedonists/addicts/etc, but I don't know as many. I suspect the underlying transformation is the same as the Christian one, it's just that you identify desire with the world itself rather than with sin, and you end up in much the same relation to the world - compassion for others, spiritual peace for yourself.

        Most Christians I know don't look at it as a death cult, although most don't seem to know quite what they believe and many have beliefs that seem inconsistent with the faith as I understand it. I'm not personally offended or anything (in fact I've said essentially the same thing when I was younger, and hadn't read or thought much about the subject - the crucifixion is a horrifying thing to show a child, I still remember seeing a painting of it when I was young and it really leveled-up my nightmares for years after.). But lots of non-insane and quite thoughtful people find wisdom in Christianity, and I do too now, although I don't think it's any "truer" than other religions, which all do similar things.

  5. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Every major religion from Christianity to Islam to Buddhism basically says "this world is evil"
    I mean, they're right.
    You can't be so life affirming when the world is objectively going to shit.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's going to shit in no small part due to islam.

  6. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    If you follow a specific strand of islam, you can justify almost any degeneracy you want.

  7. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why do women want to be hedonist so much?

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      Hedonism is when you lead a fulfilling life full of accomplishments and building things...I guess all of human history was hedonistic by this logic, let's just return to mud.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      Because they have a child's level of maturity. Women are hedonists just like how a child wants to eat candy all day.

  8. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Most African traditional religions are life affirming. The world really is good despite everything. And the core goal is to reincarnate as one of your descendants so you can experience it all over again.

    >the warmth of the sun on your skin
    >the neverending greenery of the earth after the dry season ends, and everything springs back to life
    >the sound of music and laughter
    >the joys of love, friendship, and family
    >the taste of food
    >the sound of birds in the morning
    >the thrill of achievement
    >being another link in the great chain of lives from the past into the future

    Why would death be so bitter if life wasn’t so sweet?

    Eurasians mostly see the glass as half empty.

    African pagans mostly see the glass as half full.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      This is a common feature of the most primitive races who cannot conceive of a higher cosmic order so they simply worship earthly life and the earth itself since they are unaware of anything greater. Hardly surprising that Europeans, Hindoos, Arabs, and the Chinese transcended such nonsense.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        >who cannot conceive of a higher cosmic order

        Not sure where this came from. ATRs usually recognize supreme beings. Those who don’t still understand foreign ideas of cosmology, though they may reject them.

        >they simply worship earthly life and the earth itself since they are unaware of anything greater

        This is where ATR often contradicts Eurasian religions. Eurasians see man as subordinate to the universe. ATR practitioners usually believe that man is responsible for the cosmos. The universe is the masterpiece of mankind FOR GOD rather than the other way around. God provided the block, but man was the sculptor of space & time.

  9. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    I have no idea where these robots that spout "life-affirming" and "life-denying" are being manufactured in but as far as I can tell OP is a braindead coomer who is mad that religions universally tell him that smoking week and sticking things up your ass is bad.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      >but as far as I can tell OP is a braindead coomer who is mad that religions universally tell him that smoking week and sticking things up your ass is bad.
      Why do you people always jump to these conclusions? I never even mentioned anything about drugs or homosexuality.

      And in actual fact, I think the Abrahamic religions' laws against drugs and homosexuality are some of the laws which make the most sense. Alcohol, tobacco, and even weed are clearly harmful substances to the human body in one way or another, and it makes sense to discourage their usage. Homosexuality is potentially harmful (due to spread of diseases) but also its non-procreative and thus should be discouraged.

      It's all the other shit that doesn't make sense. Why do Christians consider it a good thing that we have to "hate life itself" in order to follow Jesus?

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Why do Christians consider it a good thing that we have to "hate life itself"
        Lol.
        >For God so loved the world.

  10. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Is pic related not life affirming?

  11. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    >yes God made earth and life as we know it but you HAVE to hate earthly things
    >also you HAVE to give me 10% of your income and do everything I say because God's special book says so

  12. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Where are the religions which tell us "this world is beautiful and is a gift from God, and we must go forth and build great civilisations in this world to honour him"?
    The answer is asatru. Religion in the 21st century is totally dominated by asiatic spirituality, the focal point of which is misanthropy, spite, and grim, inglorious conflict and toil.
    White people figured things out thousands of years ago and just decided to give it all up for a israelite demon. But you don't have to be the same way.

  13. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    >this world is beautiful and is a gift from God, and we must go forth and build great civilisations in this world to honour him
    Great civilizations are not build by people who enjoy worldly pleasures. A person that isn't content with just working and obeying the law doesn't benefit his society in terms of growth.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      As much as I don't agree with monasticism (no biblical basis for it, Jesus never told us to organize monastic communities, although we could argue that they're simply modeling the communal society found in Acts) monks have accomplished many great works of science and literature. Like genetics and Carmina Burana. Why? Because they're not distracted by worldly pleasures.
      Also take the Puritans and their ambitions of building a shining city on a hill which gave us Harvard, Yale and Dartmouth- would they have done that without being, well, puritanical? Most of the other Ivy League schools were originally Christian as well, and their founders were probably similar in terms of moral worldview to the Puritans even if they weren't postmillennial.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        delaying gratification isn't the same as "rejecting worldly desires," moron. If you really want to reject worldly desires, then become a Franciscan monk and beg for your meals.

  14. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    The world is good. People are posessed.
    (Try telling them that)

  15. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    RETURN TO THE SUN!
    RETURN TO GLORY!
    RETURN TO ELMAL!

  16. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    The reason is because the world is filled with problems/evils. So either you accept that reality or you try to claim that evil/problems are good and arrive at a different conclusion. If you're trying to claim the evils are good, then you need to have a nice day and enjoy the life.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      >So either you accept that reality
      So what happens if you do accept those things?

  17. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    It’s a hylic world, made for hylics, run by hylics.

  18. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Where are the religions which tell us "this world is beautiful and is a gift from God, and we must go forth and build great civilisations in this world to honour him"?
    Can nayone actually answer thisinstead of seeting over christlarp for the millionth time?
    Is there a lofe affirming religion or nah?

  19. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Curiously, none of the religions you mention have European origins.

  20. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    if you like this world then you don't need religion as a cope, you can just enjoy life

  21. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because this world is full of suffering, and so you need to adress this issue. Any religion must solve the issue of theodicy or the general unsatisfactory nature of material existence.

  22. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    >option

    there is no choice, there is THE way - a life of virtue - or degeneracy. all religions are jsut different ways of explaining the same truth.

    consider that the sort of individuality that the west has now is a relatively new invention. no one had a favourite band, or a favourite sports team, or a favourite car and these things didnt define who a person was. everyone in a community worshipped at the same church, ate what ever the local farmers harvested etc. having things that you can buy define you, making you feel like you have a purpose is a israeli trick to sell things. people werent so egotistical. they identified less with themselves and more with their tribe. losing your societal identity is indicative of degeneracy. and then you go and talk about spirituality like its like picking a hair style - the only right hairstyle is the one that suits your ego, rather than being something that IS in and of it self right.

    it would be like expecting the junk food you eat to be good for you just because you like eating it, rather than food just being good for you because its good food.

    and thats where you get hedonism vs ascetism. the hedonist would claim that they are a freer spirit for indulging their desires. but ascetic understand that all the things you like, arent necessarily good for you. the harder you work, the stronger you become, the easier life gets. it is long term planning and reaping rewards vs instant gratification - which carries onto the next spiritual plane. heaven isnt having sex all day whilst sniffing lines of coke. its where you have worked so hard that life becomes effortless - and you dont even have to die to achieve that state. you can leap over mountains and no weapon can harm you. while the hedonist has cum dripping out his ass and blood dripping out his nose.

  23. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Life-affirming religions, in the sense you're thinking, and civilisations don't mix well. They're all mystical theses for why nihilism is actually a good thing, that there is something morally greater than man- and the source of this is the hierarchy in civilisation. Then, you do not have to admit ultimate responsibility, that if humanity wants the world to be different, it has to come and take it; furthermore, that the hierarchy has some cosmic meaning (this is taken to the logical extreme in eg. Hinduism). This arises to counteract one's feeling of powerlessness in civilisation, which is not humanity's natural state.

  24. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    The world is not beautiful. It is not a gift; it is only lent to us. We could go forth and build, but nothing that we build will last forever.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      Things are only finite to an infinite being. But for a mortal man, him and his works can be and often are coterminous, such that the distinction between feeling as though works last forever and works actually lasting forever is irrelevant.
      This is why people say that most religions don't affirm life; you think of the world as if you're already dead.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        I think of the world as being incomplete.

  25. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    > Every major religion from Christianity to Islam to Buddhism basically says "this world is evil"
    Try to life without your modern tool, internet and medicine and try call this world not evil. Plow your fields to see it fall in drought, walk your cattle to see it fall, bury another of your babies that yet to be removed from mother breast.
    Life for most people was full of suffering.

    > and gives you a laundry-list of things that are either regarded as "sinful" or at least as things you should avoid doing.
    Yeap, basic rules to keep society stable and productive.
    > There seems to be no option for a religion for someone who wants to be spiritual,
    Give definition of "spiritual".
    > but doesn't want to be a self-hating ascetic that disconnects himself from the world.
    Hi, 14 yo maximalist. Christianity with 2.3 billion people is made of ascetic monks for you?

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