Why are Atheists so incoherent

The Atheist intellectual Sam Harris says "the God theists believe in, is essentially an invisible person, it's a Creator deity who created the universe to have a relationship with one species of primate..lucky us"

Sam Harris wants to have it both ways. On the one hand, he will say, we are an insignificant species of primate, yet curiously, on the other hand, he defines morality in terms of human well-being. Either we are insignificant, in which case, our well-being is irrelevant, or we are significant, but I don't see how it can be both.

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  1. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    You're experiencing psychosis from your meaning in life being torn to shreds and so forth.

  2. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >irrelevant
    To who? It matters to me and those I'm close to. Why should I care about some magic man's opinion of me? I'm my own agent not some slave or livestock.

  3. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Christcucks need a skydaddy umpire to keep them in check
    And that's a good thing!

  4. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Atheists like him will say morality isn’t real and that being anti lgbt is irrational. Then he will say that it’s immoral to be anti lgbt. It’s all an illusion to get people to agree with their morality. They take down your morality by arguing morality isn’t real. Then they slip in their version of morality hoping you don’t realize the trick they’ve just done on you.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Atheists like him will say morality isn’t real...
      he gets mocked all the time for saying you can get an is from an ought, that certain cultures are objectively better, etc
      you are a poser pretending to have any knowledge of sam harris, and are infact a seething christcuck who only sees an antimascot in the OP against your "team"

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        I don’t know much about Sam Harris becuase he has only ventured out into actual intellectual conversation one time when he debated a philosopher of religion. In that debate he was exposed as the fraud he is.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          >i dont know almost anything but i do know everything he's said
          okay seething christcuck, we both know you are seething at the imaginary enemies you are dreaming up because they insult your imaginary friend

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Sam Harris is not an intellectual

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            yea, i already pointed that out when i said he thinks you can get an is from an ought
            meanwhile your <90 iq brain is trying its hardest to dream up "generic atheist" positions to project so you can whine more

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            And what would be a more sophisticated atheist position? Atheism has to reject basically all meaning in life. A parents love for their child is just random chemicals and Brian waves. It is ultimately meaningless. And getting upset at a tragedy is all just your brain making you feel a certain way and it is all an illusion.

            It is an absolutely absurd way to view life. And no atheist lives their life in this way. They all live as if life does have meaning. That things like love are more than just chemicals and Brian waves.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >meaning isnt meaning unless it is given to you
            ok slave

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >morality isn't real
      >ok then it's all relative so I declare lgbtqabc+123 immoral
      >noooo not like that

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >and that being anti lgbt is irrational
      of course the first thing that comes to the christcuck's mind is trannies.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        It’s also the first thing to come to libshits mind. As it’s the most important issue to them. Libshits all say that right wingers or conservatives care too much about the trans issue. But then if the right wingers say,
        >ok let’s forget about the trans issue and go back to having clear gender distinctions
        Libshits will have none of it. Libshits will not back down from this issue either. Unless libshits were to say
        >ok, we are fine if trans surgeries become illegal and any sort of gender therapy is not allowed by doctors
        Then they cannot claim that right wingers or Christians are unreasonably obsessive about this issue

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          >trannies trannies trannies
          we get it. Trannies are bad.

          Does the creator of the universe, God of ethics and all morality have any other life lessons for people besides muh trannies?

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Ya. Go read the Bible and find out.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            im asking you, since you are such a well-read christcuck. Does your God have any other life lessons besides "muh troony sodomites are reprobates" because that seems to be the number one thing christcucks focus on.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            I personally believe in the idea of your moral experience. All moral issues at their foundation rest with your moral experience. You can understand what is right or wrong based on that. The way people can understand that abusing people is wrong is not through reason. But from moral experience. Reason comes after.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Just a question, do you think biology has nothing to do with morality?

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            No. Morality is a platonic idea like mathematics is.

  5. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >On the one hand, he will say, we are an insignificant species of primate, yet curiously, on the other hand, he defines morality in terms of human well-being.
    I dislike Harris, but whats the problem with this? Morality is important for our social cohesion so it sould benefit our species. Chimp morality should benefit chimps. There is nothing wrong with chauvinism of this sort.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Social rules do not equal morality. Morality is about inherent rightness and wrongness.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        things that make a given species go extinct are inherently wrong

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          why?

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Uh because I don’t want to die

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >the species should be guaranteed safety from extinction because I don't want to die
            and why would the cold and dead universe care you such things?

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Inherently wrong? How do you say that? Are you saying that the universe has given survival as an ultimate metaphysical purpose? Seems illogical from a materialist worldview.

            inherent to the species just like it's inherent for them to breathe or reproduce
            or how sinking in water is a property inherent to lead

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            It might be inherent for the species to eventually disappear forever. Death is inherent as a quality of life.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            and?
            "right" and "wrong" only make sense for living beings in the first place
            if they stop existing then morality doesnt apply to them anymore

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Ya. And it could be fine then for a living being to set itself on the path to extinction. That path it took to die and go extinct could be moral.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >That path it took to die and go extinct could be moral.
            *could have been moral
            once theyre extinct it doesnt really matter anymore, they were the only ones who cared about it in the first place
            do dinosaurs still have big teeth?
            if I'm dead is my favourite meal still lasanga?

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            I don’t see your point. Just because you are alive doesn’t mean you are a moral being.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            are you using moral in a descriptive or normative sense?

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            As much as i think the pseudo-philosophic crap in Destiny is weak, you just invented their Sword Logic.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          Inherently wrong? How do you say that? Are you saying that the universe has given survival as an ultimate metaphysical purpose? Seems illogical from a materialist worldview.

  6. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >"the God theists believe in, is essentially an invisible person, it's a Creator deity who created the universe to have a relationship with one species of primate..lucky us"
    I really, really wish atheists would actually branch out beyond mainstream Abrahamic religions.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      I really wish Oyish theists would do the same.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Oyish theists don't aspire to be anything other than bible-thumping morons. Sam Harris, on the other hand, wants to LARP as an intellectual which takes a critical look at religion as a whole while he only looks at mainstream versions of Western religions.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          >while he only looks at mainstream versions of Western religions.
          A surprising lack of Judaism in his hate, I wonder why that his

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Anytime anybody says Genesis is a stupid story or Exodus is false, they're criticizing Judaism, you moron. I'd argue most of atheist criticism is directed at Judaic mythology.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            If it’s not part of your religion it wouldn’t be in your Bible.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Judaism tends not to take genesis literally

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >I really, really wish atheists would actually branch out beyond mainstream Abrahamic religions.
      You do know every religion leads to The One, if you go upstream enough?

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yes. If the universe was created by a higher power, it is more likely it was just one being rather than 200. Becuase if you just need one being to have created things, it is the simplest explanation.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Yes
          So what would be the point of branching out beyond mainstream Abrahamic religions? Don't get me wrong, I like to do that myself, but it's not going to bring some deeper understanding if you've already reached The One.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            There is not point

            >the species should be guaranteed safety from extinction because I don't want to die
            and why would the cold and dead universe care you such things?

            It doesn’t

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous
      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        >if you pigeonhole religions enough and squint really hard, you can kind of equate them to mainstream Christianity
        There are religions that don't believe in an invisible god. There are religions whose main deity did not create the universe. There are religions with multiple creators. There are religions where there is no excess importance placed on humanity. And that's before you start including the wackos that incorporate shit like aliens and other sci-fi schlock into their cults. The point is, Sam Harris's definition of religion is not all-encompassing. It encompasses most of mainstream Christianity, a decent bit of Islam, a decent bit of Judaism, and accidentally incorporates a few other faiths that Sam has likely never looked at in any meaningful capacity. And above all else, his statement doesn't have very much meaning behind it in the first place. "heh, you think humans are *important*, lol" completely lacks substance. It's retreading the most basic pop metaphysics arguments you can imagine.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          I wasn't defending Sam's asinine pseudo-intellectual stance, not even 0%

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Alright cool, as long as we are on the same page that this guy is a total pseud.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >as long as we are on the same page that this guy is a total pseud.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          >a few other faiths that Sam has likely never looked at in any meaningful capacity

          Implying he even looked at Christianity in a meaningful capacity

  7. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    If he actually cared about well being, he would be racist against non-whites.

  8. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why do you care so much about atheists? They don't believe in God and you're not going to convince them.

  9. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >nothing really matters, the universe doesn't care, humans find our own meaning
    >I find meaning in God
    >noooooo not like that

  10. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    > yet curiously, on the other hand, he defines morality in terms of human well-being.
    Probably because he is human.

  11. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Old school atheists recognized the need for a strong philosophical position to combat religion while the new atheists (motivated by scientism) think Islam and Christianity can be destroyed with witty holier than thou one liners and eschew philosophy and a proper understanding of history,politics,social science,etc (Claiming Ghazali ended scientific development in the Islamic world, or that Christianity brought about a Dark Age). Only Dennett tried to buck that philosophy-wise and he is a non-figure.
    Harris's conception of scientific morality has no basis and neither does his idealist belief that ideas are the ultimate driver of men. It's no surpise new atheism is largely swallowed/gave birth to other dumb movements (wokeness, anti-wokeness, counterjihad,the Rationalist community that freaks out over AI supergods,etc)

  12. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >demand pristine and flawless logic from atheists
    >dont apply this to any religious story

  13. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    If God doesn't exist, live has literally no objective or meaning. If life is meaningless, morality doesn't exist.

    The idea of morality itself points to the existence of some sort of superior immaterial reality, or - to put it bluntly - God

    Atheism literally means everything is allowed, and they have absolutely no substantial objection to this logical consequence of their worldview.

    Surely, they will try to answer you, because they realize this makes their system of though legalize all sorts of crimes and abominations and, therefore, is questionable from a moral and human point of view; nevertheless, the arguments they use have no substance, as they, directly or indirectly, point to the idea of God

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >If God doesn't exist, live has literally no objective or meaning
      brown hands typed this

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Atheism literally means everything is allowed
      Literally everything already is allowed and is engaged in by mankind. All you're doing is coping that a fantasy punishment awaits after death.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        So you actually disagree with Sam Harris? You admit that you don't believe morality exists? Wow. I wish all atheists were as honest as you.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          Morality only implies punishment by your peers.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Life is meaningful for the living, the living are the maker of meaning. They are also the maker of morals which they use to live in a collective and judge one another's behavior based on their impact on the collective.
      >everything is allowed
      By who? The collective, society, established laws. By law, everything isn't allowed and if you trespass them your peers will punish you accordingly.
      Laws aren't some random rules, they are based on what their makers believe is right and fair within the collective.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Atheism literally means everything is allowed
      How is this a problem for you? You shouldn’t even want to do fricked up things, are you a scumbag?

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Everything is allowed
      By who?

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        >By who?
        Exactly

  14. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    lel

  15. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah bit the real Achilles heel of the atheists are NDEs. Show them the argument in pic related and they go quiet real fast, knowing that they are wrong.

    Because NDEs are actually solid proof of life after death, because anyone can have them if they come close to and survive death. And they are so extremely real to those who have them: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U00ibBGZp7o

    As this NDEr described their NDE:

    >"Now, what heaven looks like? 'OMG' doesn't even describe how beautiful this place is. Heaven is, there are no words. I mean, I could sit here and just not say anything and just cry, and that would be what heaven looks like. There are mountains of beauty, there are things in this realm, you can't even describe how beautiful this place is. There are colors you can't even imagine, there are sounds you can't even create. There are beauties upon this world that you think are beautiful here. Amplify it over there times a billion. There are, it's incredibly beautiful, there's no words to describe how beautiful this place is, it's incredibly gorgeous."

    And importantly, even dogmatic skeptics have this reaction, because the NDE convinces everyone:
    https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/mysteries-consciousness/202204/does-afterlife-obviously-exist

    So anyone would be convinced if they had an NDE, we already know this, no one's skepticism is unique.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      You can trigger an NDE in a lab, with no real chance of actual death, just by activating certain parts of the brain. Add to that NDE's tend to conform to the cultural biases of the people having them and its pretty clear your just looking at a type of hallucination.

  16. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because they intentionally eschew organization so as to not come off as religious.

  17. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    This book is basically nothing more than a giant cope

  18. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >you don't understand why god would favor humans, yet you, an human, favor humans?! Curious, atheist, checkmate
    ...really?

  19. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Sam Harris wants to have it both ways. On the one hand, he will say, we are an insignificant species of primate, yet curiously, on the other hand, he defines morality in terms of human well-being. Either we are insignificant, in which case, our well-being is irrelevant, or we are significant, but I don't see how it can be both.

    You know how some things are important to you but arent important to other people? Does that seem like a contradiction to you?

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