What happened to the Ishtar element of Islam? Clearly the crescent/star symbol is Ishtar, as is the meteor worship.

What happened to the Ishtar element of Islam? Clearly the crescent/star symbol is Ishtar, as is the meteor worship. What happened to the distinctly feminine aspect however?

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  1. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    The crescent moon never appeared on Islamic flags - at least not in the majority of them - until the ottomans adopted them in their flags from the byzantines after taking byzantine territory. Why? Probably to make their state seem like the legit rome. After that muslims just copied the ottomans.

    From what I know this has nothing to so with pagan gods. Nobody hates paganism more than muslims.

  2. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    The Muslim usage of the star and crescent symbolism is historically quite late, i.e. 13-15th century, so that's a gap of about 700 years since the religion's founding. That's not to say Ishtar had no presence in the pagan Arabic religion, but they did have their own goddesses. Ishtar wasn't the only female deity of foreign origin that Al-Lat was co-identified with. Archaeological finds in Syrian sites include statues of Al-Lat Athena and Al-Lat Minerva. Asherah (as in "Yahweh and his Asherah") is also somewhere in the various co-identification of goddesses. Al-Lat, Al-Uzza and Manat are the triple goddesses of Arabic religion before Islam.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Asherah in Pre-Islamic Arabian religion is Athirat

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        Athirat is an alternative title for Asherah, the same way al-Lat was an alternative title for both.

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          Not really, I think you’re confused by them all sharing elements of the LBA Ishtar-syncretic complex.
          Ishtar, Astarte, Asherah, Asheru, Athira, Athirat, Attar, ‘Attart, etc.
          Asherah and Athirat were conflated at Ugarit, with the former being the Hebrew form and the latter Ugaritic, but elsewhere they were distinct.
          The deity was typically bigender, and the Ugaritic masculine equivalent of Athirat was ‘Attar.
          This is the version that became popular in Arabia in the 1st m. bce
          al-Lat is also complicated, but unrelated.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            Well, thanks for supplying the specific instances I should have included in my previous post, I suppose.

            >Islam doesn't anthropomorphize Allah
            They say they don’t but they do

            Their rhetorical tactics for da'wah or khutbah are none of my concern. What's asserted in the main is what makes sense for trying to figure out why feminine aspects of divinity get discarded.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Asherah (as in "Yahweh and his Asherah") is also somewhere in the various co-identification of goddesses
      tfw when Allah is God's wife
      Why don't Aluzza and Manat get their own major religions

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        The similarity of names makes it a little tricky but al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat are dubbed as the daughters of Allah. Mythology gets remixed quite a bit as it gets ported to different regions. The different origin stories for Ganesha is my favorite example. Mythology also gets remixed as people attempt to move from paganism to monotheism. Yahweh and Allah in their individual cultural contexts were each deities within a polytheistic context and then became the singular God in new monotheistic contexts. An argument can be made for them being the same deity, from whatever angle or agenda, and I guess going at it from Allah-Ilah-Elohim as a starting one would have a point. But I have no dog in that debate.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Asherah (as in "Yahweh and his Asherah") is also somewhere in the various co-identification of goddesses
      tfw when Allah is God's wife
      Why don't Aluzza and Manat get their own major religions

      The similarity of names makes it a little tricky but al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat are dubbed as the daughters of Allah. Mythology gets remixed quite a bit as it gets ported to different regions. The different origin stories for Ganesha is my favorite example. Mythology also gets remixed as people attempt to move from paganism to monotheism. Yahweh and Allah in their individual cultural contexts were each deities within a polytheistic context and then became the singular God in new monotheistic contexts. An argument can be made for them being the same deity, from whatever angle or agenda, and I guess going at it from Allah-Ilah-Elohim as a starting one would have a point. But I have no dog in that debate.

      But what happened to the feminine deity in Islam? Its hypermasculine now

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        In the move from paganism to monotheism, those aspects just got phased out. Islam doesn't anthropomorphize Allah, so not even a wife or consort or daughter. Also going by the non-anthropomorphism, that means Allah theoretically doesn't have a gender either.

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Islam doesn't anthropomorphize Allah
          They say they don’t but they do

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            NTA but Muslims probably anthropomorphize god the least out of any religions. While they definitely do to some extent (it’s kind of human nature), its one of the only ones I can think of where god is consistently emphasized as being beyond humanity in any and all aspects.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            And yet’s in the Quran he’s explicitly gendered and has a body and physical attributes.
            The thing about not anthropomorphizing was heavily contentious in early Islam; from the 8-14th centuries, tashbih was one of the biggest sources of theologicl disputes

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          but Islam is decidedly hypermasculinity, so where did the divine feminine energy go? Their holy day is Friday, the day of Venus as well. So we see that they worship on Venus' day, their symbol is Venus as the morning star, and they worship a meteor which is associated with female deities

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            Their choice of Friday as a day for communal prayer is probably more related to the historical precedence of market day. Going at it from the angle of planetary days is a little speculative.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            Is it really only speculative. I dont have my thoughts formulated but there is a reading with Venus, Saturn, Jupiter and the moon. I dont disagree but i think its more than speculation

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            Market days WERE Venus' day, everyone was afforded the original sabbat to shop in Ishtar's(+) markets and take pleasure in her cultural media, all of which required coinage which originated in (surprise, surprise) Ishtar's temples. The 8 day week is the Venusian calendar scrubbed from history, which allotted her number 5 to the months of 72 days. Other than the math nothing has changed, bread and circuses were not a Roman invention.

            >Ishtar, being a fertility cult
            No, wrong, stfu

            Lol okay.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        Muhammad didn't like women, simple as.
        7th century incel

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        most religions had incells take it over and change it

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          Well you roasties are too busy fricking everything that moves to work hard enough to maintain and expand a religion, so...

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        subjugated under a 2nd false lamb (jesus was the 1st) ISIS is the Queen of Heaven and they used a lamb to subjugate her in name
        >a name is spirit
        ISISlam(b)
        the 'crescent' moon is the weakest form of the moon and why it was chosen = subjugation

  3. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    the moon

  4. 9 months ago
    Anonymous
  5. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Ishtarites worship meteors
    Literally who claims that? That's just a pre-Islamic superstition from the Mecca area. Ishtarism is from the Fertile Crescent

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      https://www.forumancientcoins.com/moonmoth/baetyl_coins.html
      >Astarte was an ancient goddess from the Phoenician region, sometimes calles Ashtoreth. She was a goddess of sexuality, love and war. She was equivalent to the Mesopotamian Ishtar, a goddess associated with holy prostitution.
      >One of the Phoenician cities in which she was worshipped was Sidon. These coins comes from that city in the time of the emperor Elagabalus and his successor Severus Alexander, and show what is sometimes called the Cart of Astarte, a two-wheeled carriage containing a round or ovoid baetyl on two oddly-shaped supports, underneath a protective baldaquin.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        >this one city in the Ishtar Belt...

        Nice cherry-picking

        She was Queen of Heaven in Mesopotamia, and her astral aspect was increasingly emphasized over time. I think there’s even remnants of her cult in Sethian star-worship

        >She was Queen of Heaven
        She still is

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          your waifu is not even a star

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      She was Queen of Heaven in Mesopotamia, and her astral aspect was increasingly emphasized over time. I think there’s even remnants of her cult in Sethian star-worship

  6. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    From what I've seen, when the average individual stops worshiping God, they subconsciously start worshiping something else. The two most common things being money and fertility.

    Ishtar, being a fertility cult that maintained one of the highest promineces for 3 millenia in the fertile crecent would've logically have been always a persistent threat. I mean even look at christianity, one could say Ishtar was syncretized as Mary (albiet with a demotion to just 'queen of the world') and we got entire villages in europe posting mary instead of Christ

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Ishtar, being a fertility cult
      No, wrong, stfu

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        Market days WERE Venus' day, everyone was afforded the original sabbat to shop in Ishtar's(+) markets and take pleasure in her cultural media, all of which required coinage which originated in (surprise, surprise) Ishtar's temples. The 8 day week is the Venusian calendar scrubbed from history, which allotted her number 5 to the months of 72 days. Other than the math nothing has changed, bread and circuses were not a Roman invention.

        [...]
        Lol okay.

        Described often as a fertility deity but not being a virgin (at least after early Sumeria) *or* ever, ever, ever having children is certainly unusual.
        I think the explanation is, she doesn't map well to how modern historians think about ancient gods.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        Market days WERE Venus' day, everyone was afforded the original sabbat to shop in Ishtar's(+) markets and take pleasure in her cultural media, all of which required coinage which originated in (surprise, surprise) Ishtar's temples. The 8 day week is the Venusian calendar scrubbed from history, which allotted her number 5 to the months of 72 days. Other than the math nothing has changed, bread and circuses were not a Roman invention.

        [...]
        Lol okay.

        [...]
        Described often as a fertility deity but not being a virgin (at least after early Sumeria) *or* ever, ever, ever having children is certainly unusual.
        I think the explanation is, she doesn't map well to how modern historians think about ancient gods.

        Yeah, they didn't call her the Eternal Maiden for nothing. She was a pure virgin goddess, a pious wife to Dumuzid, and a super lewd violent goddess who turns entire armies into dust, enslaves entire countries, and devours dead soldiers like a giant demon dog. All while holding 10 swords in each hand and standing atop the back of a lion. Honestly reading Enheduanna's songs of praise for Inanna is super chuuni but great.

  7. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Sharia law changed much

  8. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why would a bastardization of Semitic Polytheism not do this?

  9. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Read or watch Mark Smith on the origins of Yahweh monotheism.

  10. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    The Kaaba was a temple dedicated to the sun and the planets, adored through fire. The Mohammedans, who try to erase those memories, put the waning moon in their Emblem.

    In their conflict with israeli tribes of the region, the Muslims adopt the character of Abraham, made up by the israelites, being, furthermore, a pronunciation and spelling mistake of the Indian God Brahma. Truly, Islam, just like Christianity, is subtly penetrated by the Archetype of other beliefs and religions; by the Eddas, the Asen and Vanir sagas of the ancient Germans. From the Valhalla and the valkyries it has taken the Jannah and the Huries. The Ramadan reminds us of the fasting and asceticism on the festivities of Rama, the Ramayana. And the very name Islam can be broken into Is (the Goddess Isis, the Black; like Kali, like the Black Virgins, and the Kaaba itself), and Lam, the mantram corresponding to the Muladhara Shakra, of the sexual organs, pointing to a Tantric initiation now lost in Islam’s surface, although perhaps not in its depths, which could be indicated by the existence of the Taj-Mahal, in India, and precisely by the name Kaaba (Cave, Great Mother, Black Stone). Lam is also way. Is-lam originally would have been the Way of Isis, of the Goddess Isis, of the Tantric Initiation of “Shaiba”, the Widow; of the “Queen of Sheba”, of the “Sons of Sheba-Shaiba”, of the “Sons of the Widow”, of the Black Stone of the Kaaba, of Shiva and Kali, of Ra and Isis, all Black (Nigredo). Of the Kaaba Vimana (UFO). Because the vimanas were made of stone, and are thus described in the Ramayana and the Bhagavad-Gita.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      the lamb is the false martyr : muhammad
      ISISlam(b)
      jesus is the antichrist
      muhammad was jesus 2.0
      abrahamic cults are homosexual.

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