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There is fundamentally no difference between a religion and a cult. Jesus Christ is fundamentally no different than L. Ron Hubbard

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  1. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Let’s say that is correct.

    Of all the many cults that humans have “invented”, logically, at least, one of them is closer to the truth of the cosmos than the rest. And this can be proven because it would be the one that has produced more life, benefits, and persists across time and space.

    So even if you take this casual approach to Christianity. You still have to accept that Christianity is true even if by mere coincidence.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >one of them is closer to the truth of the cosmos than the rest. And this can be proven because it would be the one that has produced more life, benefits, and persists across time and space
      The fact that a belief brings about utilitarian benefits doesn't imply that it's true.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        "truth" doesn;t actually care about your quality of life though

        Truth is a universal constant. If you’re not able to delay entropy you die. So it definitely overlaps with the human experience.

        Therefore if we want to i crease tour statistical chances of survival as a species we should follow Christ.

        I understand this is a difficult concept for the modern materialist mind to accept but it has been revealed. We have no choice but to contend with it.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          >it's true because I'm afraid of dying!
          Pathetic honestly.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Is there any other truth?

            Existence is the bottom line. Anything else is relative.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            The fact that you want something to be the case doesn't make it actually the case, lol.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            That’s my point in my original post. Even if you take it as a mere coincidence. Chrstiany is the closest to the truth

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Even if you take it as a mere coincidence. Chrstiany is the closest to the truth
            Why?

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            It works. Look around. What other cosmogony you would want to inhabit?

            A caliphate? A Chinese communist, atheist dystopia? Is there any other set of core ideal that even comes close to The Judeo-Christian values?

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Anon, I live in a western democracy that explicitly seperates Church and State, and the Bible is never consulted when passing new legislaion, and the law is often contradictory to Christianity. The only theocracies in the world are either Arab shitholes or mere suburbs of Rome like the Vatican, and even the Vatican revises its canon law with each succeeding Papacy

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Chrristianity is the operating system of the west(and arguably the world). All the different countries are just apps that run on Christianity. Even china had to fall in line with her centuries upon centuries of history.

            It’s simply the truth revealed to humanity by God in the person of Jesus Christ. I don’t know what else to tell you.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Chrristianity is the operating system of the west(
            No it

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            What is it then?

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            It doesn't have to be anything

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            What if it were nontheistic Christianity? That's basically what liberalism is since much of our enlightenment doctrines derive from Calvinism, whether orthodox (the Enlightenment in Geneva) or Puritan (Anglo-American liberalism)

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            It doesn’t have to. But it is Christianity.

            For modern people it’s a given that you don’t sacrifice humans to Gods, or that you shouldn’t have kids with your close relatives, or more importantly, that each individual is imbued with the same divinity that you are.

            Those and many other core principles were revealed to the israelites and to the world through the gospel.

            The map you posted is actually showing why the world is in trouble. Because we think through materialism we can define good and evil. It’s eating from the forbidden fruit all over again. It’s the tower of babel. It’s king David counting his soldiers. It’s Noah getting drunk in his tent. It’s Moses hitting the Roc, etc… It’s the same pattern over and over. God gives us the truth and we think we can manipulate it for our own benefit.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >For modern people it’s a given that you don’t sacrifice humans to Gods
            Absolutely not exclusive to Christianity and is definitely not a feature of secularism
            >that you shouldn’t have kids with your close relatives
            >Basic scientific reasons not to do that
            more importantly, that each individual is imbued with the same divinity that you ar
            Humanism has a long standing tie to secularism. My region and country was conquered and colonized based on no small part that the natives were not Christian

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Christianity is the operating system of the west
            Doesn’t seem like anyone powerful or virtually any of the masses who call themselves Christian actually adhere to the life and teachings of Jesus. In fact I’m not sure that’s ever been the case beyond a few scattered groups and individuals

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            The thing is. I am not talking about religiouness. I am talking about the truthfulness of the underlying principles of Christianity.

            You may not be a Christian but you operate on Christian values.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah but that doesn't make it true which is the point of this entire discussion. Furthermore just because it's stuck around for so long and had the most positive results doesn't mean it's the most intended to your own criteria. There could exist a system that produces more benefits, life, and so on that has yet been adapted to.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Like what? There’s no other that come even close.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >You may not be a Christian but you operate on Christian values.
            I don’t actually. I don’t give away all my money to the poor, I don’t love my enemies, I don’t give to beggars whenever they ask, I don’t give to people who steal from me, I don’t turn the other cheek, I save money, I care about my body, I care about what I eat, I care about my clothes, I have sex outside of marriage, I don’t believe Jesus is a god nevermind THE God, I don’t go to church, I don’t believe the Bible narrative for the origin of humans, animals, plants, the sun, stars, moon and earth, making money is important to me as is this one life I have, I don’t pray to the Christian god for anything, Everything I listed is normal in my country (US).

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            You keep agreeing with me. You what is good and moral. You just don’t do it. We’re all sinners. That doesn’t disprove virtue, does it?

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >the world is run by satanic freemasonic pagan communist catholic nazis who hate christianity
            >uhmmm ackthyuyually everyone professes tetraclavianism and the real implied actual allegorical literal metaphorical presence, you simply cannot think that theft is bad without doing so!
            So which is it?

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            ok. How do we know that Satanic cults are bad? what do we compare them to?

            this is the answer: if it produces Christ-like behavior, it is good. if it doesn't, then it's bad.

            So even people who reject Christian values, like Satanists, are judged by Jesus Christ. this is the entire point! what would be the absolute optimal behavior of a human being? the answer is Christ. so the more a society adopts Christian values the better they will be.

            "what about the Inquisition and pedo priests" What did I just say? Were they behaving like Christ when they were raping the kids or burning the witches? no? ok then that's bad.

            Christ is how God finally allowed Adam and Eve to eat from the tree of good and evil. that's why Christ forgives our original sin. he is the answer to our fallen nature.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            You didn't answer the question: is everyone actually a Christian and Christianity is the most powerful religion, or are Christians the most oppressed race beset on all sides by powerful oppressors? Which is it?

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            But I did answer A question. you'd be a fool not to try and asimilate some of the value in it. not because of me of course. I am simply a messanger of the holy spirit.

            also, you're trying to ask a political/historical question; almost in a Hegelian way.

            that's not the tone of my argumentation.

            If you want me to try I would say not everyone "is" a Christian but pretty much everyone is aware of Christian values and their morality is based on how much they adhere to them.

            as for the second part. Christianity is certainly the triumph of martyrdom. that's Jesus on the cross, isn't it? you win when you give everything for others. think of this: the Romans mocked him by putting a crown of thorns because he was the king of the israelites. a few centuries later the Roman empire converted to Christianity and he became the King of Rome after all. 2000 years have passed and you and I are still talking about him on an obscure Chinese hentai website. why? what is it about this Jesus guy that other random cult leaders don't have? Why
            not a single day pass without thread after thread discussing Christ? Is Jesus "just" another charlatan or did he really reveal profound truths to humanity?

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            my understanding of what a modern cult is.
            A new religion or splinter group, that isolates its members socially or physically.
            So scientology is a cult, while jehovah's witnesses arent.

            lol why, frick you Amaterasu is older and says she is top God.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >amaterasu

            Exactly. Where are those who followed her?

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Japan

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        it sort of does if you can say with any certainty.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          >believe that there is an immaterial spirit called Hyufajisho who lives inside tobacco plants and ravages the lungs of anyone who smokes
          >don't smoke
          >have healthier lungs than smokers
          >therefore there is an immaterial spirit called Hyufajisho who lives inside tobacco plants and ravages the lungs of anyone who smokes
          Anon...

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            That’s a good example for a pernicious idea that is far from being true.

            If you build a civilization around that ideal it will fail. If you build it around christianity, it will thrive.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      "truth" doesn;t actually care about your quality of life though

    • 5 months ago
      Chud Anon

      >christcuckery is true because it’s le old

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >because it would be the one that has produced more life, benefits, and persists across time and space.
      So science.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Modern Science is the result of Christianity.

        Muslims had the opportunity to develop sophisticated scientific theories but they contradicted the Quran. So they rejected it.

        Religion is the precursor of the scientific enterprise.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Modern Science is the result of Christianity.
          White people*

          Scientology is a mystery religion where you have to invest time and money to discover the mysteries Hubbard unveils to you. Christianity might've started that way but these days you can learn everything about it without spending a dime.

          I don't like the term "cult" because it has an actual meaning in regards to "the institutions dedicated to a specific religious practice trying to cultivate some effect" that overlaps with "a predatory institution". Mithraism doesn't seem to have been a "bad-cult", and JWism isn't a "cult-ivating religion" institution. But, we clearly need to make a distinction between something like Shinto, which is just a bunch of orthodoxies and orthopraxies, and Scientology, which is a top-down institution created to control people so as to extract wealth from them.

          I think the that defining characteristic of a "bad-cult" is: the inability to practice the theology outside of the influence of institutional commissars. Everything else is subjective.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Things that produce life, benefits and stay around a long time aren't necessarily true.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      This would be a valid argument if by "Christianity" you meant "what the israeli ascetics who thought that Yeshua was the messiah circa 100AD were doing", but it isn't, it's something completely different that by your own admission died in 1962 and was invented less than a millennia before that.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Ironically unironically then its probably scientology, just by virtue of the fact its informed by modern scientific developments. Its obviously a huge grift but the cosmology of Dianetics or the Book of Mormon alone gives it a veracity factor that mogs ancient belief systems. At any rate, as far as philosophical and spiritual insight goes, orthodox biblical Christianity is scraping the barrel, like these grifter cults.

  2. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Jesus Christ is fundamentally no different than L. Ron Hubbard
    I think being the Son of God is fundamentally different than being some guy.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yeshua was just a guy that was mythologized after his death to spread the Torah to the goyim.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yeshua was the george floyd of the roman era and his disciples were antifa.
        In 300 years we will pray to george floyd and anyone who doesn't convert will be put to the stake.
        In 2000 years george floyd will be remembered as a white man and anyone who mentiones going back to the prefloydian religion of their ancestors will be called a larper

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Hubbard claimed to have psychic powers though, so he wasn't "some guy" in the context of his religion, just like Jesus wasn't "Some guy" in the context of his religion. The truth is that they are both just some guy.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >The truth is that they are both just some guy
        [citation needed]

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Realistically, both were "just some guy".

  3. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Scientology is a mystery religion where you have to invest time and money to discover the mysteries Hubbard unveils to you. Christianity might've started that way but these days you can learn everything about it without spending a dime.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      The Catholic church embezzles millions of untracked money from suckers every single day

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Someone will "leak" all the mysteries, offer them for free, cause a schism in the Church of Scientology, and more denomenations will form. Cults and religions are the same.

  4. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Babby's first fedora tip

  5. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    ok

  6. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    I think there's also the level of devotion to the leader's words as opposed to other sources of knowledge. Jesus Christ recognized the Law of Moses and his followers (of which I am one) consider his teachings to be the fulfillment of that law.
    Interestingly this makes dispensationalists a cult since they don't really believe this, at least not for gentiles (hence why to them, modern Israel is the same as ancient/Biblical Israel)
    Although you could argue they were Darby's cult since they seemingly treated his Bible translation originally as if it were a new inspiration, much as the JW's do the NWT.

  7. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Most religions are k-selection propaganda systems.
    Most sects are the opposite

  8. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    bump

  9. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    A cult becomes a religion when all the dudes who are in on the scam die

  10. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Nope. One tells you to say in your bubble the other says:
    19 Go [a]therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” [b]Amen.

  11. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    what if I make my own religion that only I follow and don't tell anyone else about it?

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