>science disproves religion, chud

>science disproves religion, chud
As an agnostic, this has always seemed like such a simplistic and flaky argument to me. If you believe God created all life, then by extension you believe he created the laws that govern the universe.

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  1. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Agreed. People who say "science disproves religion" usually mean that science disproves fundamentalism. Which surprisingly is still a thing in America. When they say "science disproves God", they mean not science but this popular materialist-esque take on empiricism that they don't actually follow all the way through, but that gives good alibi to reject anything "supernatural" as they call it.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      Atheists seem incapable of thinking beyond the material or a limited scope. We haven't even explored any of our universe, in reality. It's wieneriness.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        >science is le fake and gay!
        >trannies aren't real women libtard, it's basic biology!
        pick one and only one

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          Science is real
          Amd also troons aren't real women

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            >real women
            This is honestly just an argument about linguistics at this point. Biologists have shown that sex and gender identity are two things and can differ in a small fraction of the population. So the word "woman" refers to either a female sex or female gender identity. Until recently we taught those were synonymous, so people complaining about how trannies aren't real women have no idea what they're talking about

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            >gender identity
            Inherently subjective and has nothing to do with biology.
            Quit pilpuling israelite rat.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            factually incorrect, it's the result of biochemical processes in your brain and unless you think the field neurobiology is not biology it is taken seriously by biologists who do research on it.
            I agree that many vocal online trannies are a bunch of weirdos and I wouldn't be surprised if some teens try on the troony label for attention or in search of identity, despite not actually being trans, but claiming that trannies don't exist because you don't like them, despite the scientific consensus saying otherwise is a little intellectually dishonest, don't you think?

            Science has proven the existence of life after death because NDEs are actually solid proof of life after death, because anyone can have them if they come close to and survive death. And they are so extremely real to those who have them: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U00ibBGZp7o

            As this NDEr described their NDE:

            >"Now, what heaven looks like? 'OMG' doesn't even describe how beautiful this place is. Heaven is, there are no words. I mean, I could sit here and just not say anything and just cry, and that would be what heaven looks like. There are mountains of beauty, there are things in this realm, you can't even describe how beautiful this place is. There are colors you can't even imagine, there are sounds you can't even create. There are beauties upon this world that you think are beautiful here. Amplify it over there times a billion. There are, it's incredibly beautiful, there's no words to describe how beautiful this place is, it's incredibly gorgeous."

            And importantly, even dogmatic skeptics have this reaction, because the NDE convinces everyone:
            https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/mysteries-consciousness/202204/does-afterlife-obviously-exist

            So anyone would be convinced if they had an NDE, we already know this, no one's skepticism is unique.

            >muh brain chemistry

            Neuroscientists are convinced by NDEs too. What do skeptics think they understand that neuroscientists do not?

            >muh DMT causes it

            Scientifically refuted already, and NDErs who have done DMT too say that the DMT experience, while alien and really cool and fun, was still underwhelming to the point of being a joke when compared to the NDE.

            Big if true, but aren't NDEs just your brain giving you a crazy high as a defensive mechanism?

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            >think the field neurobiology is not biology
            It really isnt, given its very low replication rate.
            It can hardly be considered science at this point.
            > scientific consensus
            1- No such consensus exists.
            2- Even if there were, it wouldn't make your point correct.
            3- Transsexuality used to be classified as a mental illness (along with most relevant medical institutions), it wasn't until recently around 2019 that this stopped, due to heavy israelite lobbying.

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          modern "science" is fake, it's merely a political tool these days. Even the so called ""strict"" peer review system is easily rigged.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            there's no such "modern science", newton's gravitional laws will still describe reality a thousand years from now on. you're salty like a moron at what media tells you science is (which is usually proto-scientific fields, like psychology) to push political narratives

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            People that say modern science is fake usually have a political agenda too though. It's always
            >Creationists who want Christianity in school
            >Flat earthers (feds)
            >Anti-vaxxers
            The funny thing is people on /misc/ are STILL waiting just two more weeks for the mass die off.

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          is le fake and gay!
          Nobody said that, avi.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            wtf is an avi

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah its wienery to say that the book about talking snakes and people coming back to life isnt true, but when you claim that you have literal contact with the magical spirit that created space and time, its perfectly reasonable

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        No, we're just not comfortable with investing (read, wasting) our lives in stupid moronic shit that will never have an impact on anything we experience.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        Atheists when they think Yoga is harmless often open themselves up to demonic influence.

  2. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Science doesn't even prove science.

  3. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Usually this is said in America where the Christians are morons that actually believe Adam & Eve and Noah's Ark where actual literal events that happened.

  4. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why don't you go for bigger fish than low IQ liberal normalgays on Twitter?

  5. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Euler proved god mathematically.

    >The mathematician Leonhard Euler believed the best empirical evidence for the existance of God is the following equation(which is easily derivable for anyone who remembers Taylor expansions):<P>e^(pi*i) + 1 = 0<P>e = The base of the natural logarithm<BR>pi = The ratio of circumference of a circle to its diameter<BR>i = The imaginary number, sqrt(-1)<BR>1 = The multiplicative identity (x*1 = x)<BR>0 = The additive identity (x+0 = x)<P>This numbers come from far-ranging parts of mathematics: e is from calculus, pi is from geometry, i is imaginary, and 1 and 0 are arithmetic. Euler believed that such a simple relation between the arguably the five most important numbers in math was too unlikely to be a coincidence.<P>I find this relation amazing. It's by far the best 'proof' of God that I've seen in my life. There is really no reason to expect e and pi to be related as such when you consider where they come from. While I consider myself an agnostic, that equation is the reason I say that I'm 60/40 belief/disbelief.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      There really is no meaning to this unless you specifically define what you mean by God and these terms.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        You just do not understand because you are a simple atheist. I can not spoon feed intellectually rigorous proofs of the divine to a non believing midwit.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      That quote basically proves that Euler was a platonist and not a christian.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      That's not "proof".

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      So his argument is that God exists because a mathematical formula is pretty?

  6. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    God is one thing, religion is another

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      Nope. There has never been and never will be a serious belief in God independent of religion.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        What about the God of Spinoza? Anyway I'm talking that you could do that even if it hasn't been done.

  7. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    >seemed like such a simplistic and flaky argument to me
    It is verysimplistic, science doesn't usually intersect with religion, but it can go against some aspects of religion (like evolution)

  8. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    There are many religions that are compatable with science. abrahamism on the other hand is not, as it makes many bafflingly non-sensical claims which contradict all known science.

  9. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    You know how atheists say a bunch of deformed illiterate inbreds rolling in shit, beating their children and women anthropomorphized Nature when they said gods were an amalgamation of the base fears of early humans. Well since the day a few atheist bugmen created computers, they are saying the universe is like their high-school calculators too, but bigger lol. That's their big brain idea and that's how dumb atheists are lol.

  10. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Science has proven the existence of life after death because NDEs are actually solid proof of life after death, because anyone can have them if they come close to and survive death. And they are so extremely real to those who have them: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U00ibBGZp7o

    As this NDEr described their NDE:

    >"Now, what heaven looks like? 'OMG' doesn't even describe how beautiful this place is. Heaven is, there are no words. I mean, I could sit here and just not say anything and just cry, and that would be what heaven looks like. There are mountains of beauty, there are things in this realm, you can't even describe how beautiful this place is. There are colors you can't even imagine, there are sounds you can't even create. There are beauties upon this world that you think are beautiful here. Amplify it over there times a billion. There are, it's incredibly beautiful, there's no words to describe how beautiful this place is, it's incredibly gorgeous."

    And importantly, even dogmatic skeptics have this reaction, because the NDE convinces everyone:
    https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/mysteries-consciousness/202204/does-afterlife-obviously-exist

    So anyone would be convinced if they had an NDE, we already know this, no one's skepticism is unique.

    >muh brain chemistry

    Neuroscientists are convinced by NDEs too. What do skeptics think they understand that neuroscientists do not?

    >muh DMT causes it

    Scientifically refuted already, and NDErs who have done DMT too say that the DMT experience, while alien and really cool and fun, was still underwhelming to the point of being a joke when compared to the NDE.

  11. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Agnostics are literally the dumbest people in the whole religion debate. Usually they're just too lazy to do any research or look into any of the arguments so they just try to do the "both sides are dumb" schtick to look better than the other groups. (It doesn't work, nobody irl gives a shit about agnostics for all their fake moral posturing)

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      But athiesm is the dumbest and most non-sensical religion that have ever arisen in mankind's history.
      It's no wonder it was invented by israelites.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      We will never know until we die, so the whole debate is pointless.

  12. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    You're thinking of Christianity, that was invented by israelites.

  13. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    You're missing the point. Science disproves specific religious narratives by pointing out the contradicting facts and providing more credible explanations, not some abstract idea of God that you can ultimately slap onto anything. Religions revolve around their own specific ideas about the origin and nature of the world and the divine and how it impacts human existence. When these supposedly eternal truths are routinely contradicted, i.e. with shit like evolution, the credibility of the entire body can be reasonably called into question.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      And they will always miss the point because knocking down strawmen is easy and self-congratulating.

  14. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Science has become a religion for most atheists.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      Science was always a religion to atheists and leftists. The first leftists believed that there was nothing outside space or planetary bodies and concluded they understood all there was to understand about reality.

      The leftist atheist is actually moronic philosophically and assumes there is nothing outside human knowledge

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        christianity is a leftist religion though

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          >christianity is a leftist religion
          Stop huffing paint moron

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            Right my mistake, the religion that tells you to "love thine enemies" is obviously a right wing death cult.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            Are you 5 years old or just a woman/brown person

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        Christians believe all the secrets of life are contained in a bunch of poorly written books created by ancient israelites.

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          Reddit atheists think there's nothing outside of knowledge we already have. Also if you're an atheist and you believe in multi verse theory or something like that you're not an atheist because science has actually gone further than atheists anticipated. The atheist belief system is a completely static universe where nothing unpredictable happens

          Technically if you're a religious enough adherent to science you can worship the new discoveries "oh my science" and repent for being ignorant. But you'll have to do that for every new discovery

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            You don't know what atheism is.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            Atheism is a religion for morons that want to feel superior without actually doing anything

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            Uh, that's literally every Christgoy on Oyish.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            >I'm not a hypocrite you are!
            Atheists are the equivalent of a schoolyard philosopher

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            Why would it be hypocritical for an atheist to "do nothing"? There's no belief system in place that necessitates it.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            >atheism isn't a religion
            and around and around we go with these morons

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            Rocks and trees are atheist. Its not a religion.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Rocks and trees are atheist
            riveting commentary by the schoolyard atheist

            are you ESL because this is pathetic, maybe a bit brown?

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            Atheism is a lack of belief, its the "default state" because theism by its very nature necessitates faith. You're not born a Christian, you have to be raised Christian first, thus Christianity is a religion, and atheism is not.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            >atheism is the default state
            lmao, I'm sure you can post evidence of this

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            Don't need evidence, its just basic logic. Atheism is a lack of belief, rocks and trees don't believe anything, babies don't automatically believe anything either. Its reasonable to assume its the default state. If, for example, Christianity was the default state, then why did humans spend the first 2/3rds of our existence as non-Christians? Why are there an estimated 6,000 other religions globally? How come there is no "one true" Christian sect, but rather hundreds of competing sects?

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Don't need evidence
            so it's faith based

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            Its more like an apodictic statement. If you're not a theist, you must therefore be an atheist, atheism is a lack of belief in a God, trees and rocks don't believe in a God, so reasonably its the default state. You can make the argument that outright anti-theism or scientism is based on faith, but thats an entiely different argument. You just cannot accept the fact that people aren't going to be automatically born believing in God.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            If atheism was the default state it wouldn't be relegated to losers that talk like children

            also if it wasn't a religion there would be evidence of it existing anywhere outside of intelligentsia wackos

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            Its not "to losers that talk like children". Animals are atheist for example, unless you can prove otherwise. Even now more and more people in the world are identifying as irreligious. There are over a billion atheists in China for example

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Animals are atheist
            >rocks and trees are atheist
            Actually according to atheists rocks and trees are god and animals are soulless machines that we eat

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            Soulless machines created by god, mind you

            Atheism is moronic

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            More moronic than believing that god created a bunch of "soulless machines"?

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            God is a soulles machine
            >t. Knower

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            Atheists believe everything Christians believe about reality only they worship the "creation" aspect rather than the creator. This is probably so they can larp as God

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            How do atheist believe the same as christians if they don't think god exists?

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            Like I said, nothing is fundamentally different, they just replace themselves with God

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            It seems very different to me
            >Jesus is the son of God
            >Jesus wasn't the son of God
            How are these the same?

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            >There is a God
            >I am God
            wow so different, so radical, much intellectual

            frick off moron

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            I see you ignored the question, very dishonest

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            I see you're an idiot, no wonder you're an atheist

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            >I am God
            The defining characteristic of God is a supernatural entity who governs the universe. I am, in fact, not that....

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            atheists think knowledge of the universe is knowledge of god, it's not a huge leap to conclude that a "scientist" is a saint and the genius is basically a god/demigod. Except even the common ground level atheist with 95 IQ thinks they're a genius

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            >it's not a huge leap to conclude that a "scientist" is a saint and the genius is basically a god/demigod.
            That is a huge leap.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            Not really, using critical thinking and context you can discern that the people that created modern atheism were narcissists overestimating their ability to rationalize creation through their hatred of organized religion

            Respect for an expert's opinion in their fitld is not religious devotion.
            >uhh ohh do you BELIEVE that the mechanic can fix your car?
            >dude do you have FAITH in a doctor's cure?

            >Respect
            it's not respect it's worship. science isn't a philosophy of observation it becomes an antenna for "listening to god"

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            Respect for an expert's opinion in their fitld is not religious devotion.
            >uhh ohh do you BELIEVE that the mechanic can fix your car?
            >dude do you have FAITH in a doctor's cure?

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            Everyone on Earth is an atheist towards religions they don't believe in

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            You have yet to make any real claim to how it is one, just a bunch of strawmen and arguments you thought about in the shower.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            Nothing you said is even remotely true. You've created a strawman in your head just to get mad at.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            Shut up moron

  15. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Stop huffing paint moron

  16. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Are you 5 years old or just a woman/brown person

  17. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    science doesn't disprove *theism* but pretty easily disproves every single religion. Every religion makes fact claims beyond the existence of the Deity, and many of those fact claims are testable. Christianity asserts that *the Romans* conducted a census during the reign of Herod the Great - Archeology tells us that this did not happen, and that people writing a century after the fact got their timelines wrong, and that's why Matthew and Luke disagree on the order of a decade when Jesus was actually born.

  18. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    >If you believe God created all life
    There is literally zero reason to believe this thoughever.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      Really? Do you think the finite was born from the finite?

  19. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Whenever Christians get backed into a corner in a debate they just retreat into abstract neo-Platonism.
    >Well yeah, huh, I guess you can't disprove my alien monad outside the universe doesn't exist, that means I win
    It's just so incredibly dishonest.

  20. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    I would say there are two separate issues here that you're conflating. There's religion and there's the divine. Science can disprove a religion that makes claims that are empirically, materially untrue.

    It cannot disprove the abstract notion of the divine (whether involving a singular God or multiple gods) because the abstract notion of the divine is usually, by definition, beyond empirical observation.

  21. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    >science disproves religion
    Is young Earth creationism religion?

  22. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    disproves religion, chud
    >If you believe God created all life, then
    Varro's 3 theologies

    Just because some kind of a natural philosophic God created something, does not follow that you should worship a semitic sand demon.
    And since religion presupposes a set of rituals, only the sand demon type of god has a religion.

    So, yes, science does disprove religion, chud.

  23. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    While I don't want to defend schizos, science will win this title once it explains the big bang. Until then you have a scenario where nothing was created from something, which does not compute. Even if you manage to explain it, you will run into the same problem again ad infinitum

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      Something was created from nothing*

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      The big bang does not claim something was created from nothing. The entire idea of creation ex nihilo cones from religion, not science.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        It's still an equally valid problem in terms of science and math, moron

  24. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    if religion in question is scientism, then yes

  25. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    >If you believe God created all life, then by extension you believe he created the laws that govern the universe.
    Yes, and you'd be a moron to believe this, because there's never been any evidence whatsoever of this hypothetical sky wizard called "God"

    You may as well believe in unicorns and leprechauns

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