Reading the Bible is destroying me

I'm Muslims but I'm reading the Bible for the first time and it's tearing my faith apart, I am just shocker and horrified at how many things the Quran and the Prophet get wrong about previous revelation, for example: The story of Job is completely butchered and reduced to three verses which completely omit the tragic ordeal that he had to go through, the flood is presented as regional in the Quran when in reality it was worldwide, the Quran gets the Trinity completely wrong, there is absolutely no mention of Mecca, and according to the Quran Eden was in heaven when according to the Bible it was an actual place down here on earth. How could it get so many things wrong?

We are also told that the Quran challenge has never been met and nobody has been able to come up with something like the Quran, when the Psalms already meet the challenge pretty easily, I read them and I see the same things as I see in the Quran.

Please, I need help. I won't hold on for much longer.

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  1. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >reading the Bible and misunderstanding it, because I have no faith, is destroying me
    fify

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      What part of it am I misunderstanding?

      Do not fall for the Talmudic tricks, brother.

      I'm not reading the Talmud.

      I know it's you, pastor billy-bob. If you want to get people back into christianity, kick out the troons instead of LARPing as a moslem on Oyish

      I'm not even sure I would ever be Christian, but actually reading the Bible has made me realize all the things that I didn't know, I will never see the Quran the same ever again.

  2. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Do not fall for the Talmudic tricks, brother.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >talmudic tricks in Christianity

  3. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    I know it's you, pastor billy-bob. If you want to get people back into christianity, kick out the troons instead of LARPing as a moslem on Oyish

  4. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    When I read the gospel of Matthew, I left Islam for Christianity and never looked back. Every Old Testament prophecy checks out.
    Abraham sacrifices the goat as a foreshadowing of the sacrifice of Christ, in Islam, the event loses its symbol since the cruicifixion is denied to have happened, just an example among many others.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      God tells some barely literate Akkadian son of an idol-maker to kill a goat instead of his own son because He's foreshadowing His sacrifice of His son who is also (paradoxically) Him to get Himself to forgive the sins of His creation? That convoluted as frick story is what you found so convincing?

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        The Father gave His only begotten Son so that all who might believe might be saved.

        God didn't make man sin. Sin makes men more like beasts and unholy. No wonder God doesn't like sin.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        It was an example of sacrificial love.

        >But you, Israel, my servant,
        >Jacob, whom I have chosen,
        >you descendants of Abraham my friend,
        Isaiah 41:8

        >and the Scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”—and he was called a friend of God.
        James 2:23

        Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one’s life for one’s friends.
        John 15:13

        And I don't see what is paradoxical about God being his own son. He isn't human. Jesus was, but Jesus was the Word before he was born a human.

  5. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    How about stop larping as a israelite and grow up?

  6. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    I can tell from a mile away that you’re not a muslim you LARPer.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      I'm not interesed in proving to you that I'm a Muslim, I'm looking for the advice of other fellow Muslims. Please leave my thread.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        What is the relationship of the Bible to Islam? I never hear anyone mention it, but it seems like it's always in the background.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          It's supposed to be corrupted, but I'm not so sure about that anymore.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Christians hold the Bible a little more loosely than Muslims do the Koran, it is a collection of sacred documents preserved, not a unitary thing, and requires careful interpretation. This is just how it is, we see things through a mirror dimly, truth comes after.

            Muslims are bros and I'm glad you found Jesus. You aren't losing anything, it is very difficult and internal but the promise of salvation is real.

  7. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Wait till you find out that christianity too is bullshit.

  8. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    One of the reasons I like the Bible more than the Quran is I feel like a lot of people in it are actual flawed humans rather than aspirational figures, with David being the best example. In the Bible, David did some really bad stuff, but God loved and blessed David, because unlike almost all the other kings who did bad things in the Bible, David always repented and turned back to God rather than keep on sinning or doubling down.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      As literature, at least in translation, the Koran is absolutely awful. No stories, super repetitive, weirdly legalistic like the worst parts of the OT. It seems very perfect, especially compared with Catholicism (the Trinity may well be real but it makes zero sense to anyone, be honest, it's theological quantum mechanics), no loose ends, pretty boring. Also a lot of hellfire.

  9. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Muhammad didn't exist. Your religion is completely fake. All religions are fake and made up.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Muhammad as a historic figure most certainly did exist. However in reality he was nothing more than an Arabian merchant turned warlord who most likely suffered from some kind of epileptic disorder (his descriptions of his “revelations” sound a lot like seizures with hallucinations)

  10. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >he story of Job is completely butchered and reduced to three verses which completely omit the tragic ordeal that he had to go through
    Look, the Bible has been corrupted, right?
    All that stuff was added later, as part of the corruption.
    Qur'an got it correct. It's just he original Bibles are no longer around.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      That only works if you presuppose that the Quran is correct, which there is no reason to believe that it is, and there are many to believe that it isn't. How do we know that the Quran is not just a corruption of the Bible, rather than the other way aroun? I can never be the same after contemplating that possibility.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      The Quran feels like it white-washes stuff that is also in the Bible..

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      it only makes sense, if muhammad was illiterate then he wouldve heard these stories being told, and you know how that goes: remembering only parts of it, paraphrases, only being told the important parts

      >corruption
      >added later
      in literature when something is "corrupted" it doesnt go from a few sentences to an entire book, parts of the story might change and stuff could be exaggerated, but no honest person could look at how the quran describes biblical stories and how the bible describes them and say the bible is a corruption, theyd come to the conclusion that the quran is just retelling stories that the reader might already know, only containing the important parts and leaving out the less significant stuff that the bible says
      also, the quran has a lot of nonsensical stuff that really happens for no reason, ask a christain about something in the bible and they can at least see that it has a deeper meaning, and I dont even mean trying to force some prophecy about jesus into it

      One of the reasons I like the Bible more than the Quran is I feel like a lot of people in it are actual flawed humans rather than aspirational figures, with David being the best example. In the Bible, David did some really bad stuff, but God loved and blessed David, because unlike almost all the other kings who did bad things in the Bible, David always repented and turned back to God rather than keep on sinning or doubling down.

      >in it are actual flawed humans rather than aspirational figures,
      this too, Ive seen muslims and christians discuss their texts and muslims really like to bring up how the bible is bad because it doesnt portray prophets as perfect or contains stuff like rape, but thats just how ancient history was, you wouldnt expect some book on history to leave out atrocities committed by people

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        The complete story of Joseph is in the Qur'an, Surah Yusuf. So are large parts of Moses' story. Many of these stories contain alterations that many Christians don't understand the reasons to and just assume, out of ignorance, that Muhammad is just mistaken etc. etc.

        This is all just speculation, if you really read both the Qur'an and Bible and its commentaries, you will find the Qur'an often corrects many obscure Biblical things. Example: Moses' hand was diseased in the Talmud, The Qur'an specifically says his hand was "pure from disease".

        It is very clear, if you actually read the whole of the Qur'an with sufficient Biblical knowledge, that the author of the Qur'an is well-informed in the Biblical contents and is only withholding information.

        This is why actual scholars of the Qur'an who are kuffar claim that Christians or Umayyad scholars wrote the Qur'an instead of Muhammad.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          >The complete story of Joseph is in the Qur'an, Surah Yusuf. So are large parts of Moses' story.
          you are literally proving my point, you have 1 example of a complete story and "large parts" of another, which doesnt even contain the 2 most important things to ancient israelites, the 10 commandments and name of god
          >you will find the Qur'an often corrects many obscure Biblical things.
          the only instance of this Ive seen was the pharaoh and king claim, which is already a bad argument because the quran assumes "pharaoh" was the literal name of the pharaoh and the quran gets things about ancient egypt wrong, even things the bible didnt
          >Example: Moses' hand was diseased in the Talmud, The Qur'an specifically says his hand was "pure from disease".
          can you elaborate what you mean here? are you assuming that prophets cant get diseases? and the talmud is shitty oral tradition anyway, use the old testament instead
          >author of the Qur'an is well-informed in the Biblical contents and is only withholding information.
          like I said, the quran reads like it assumes the reader has read the bible, and its about as well-informed as anyone who listened to biblical stories is

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >can you elaborate what you mean here? are you assuming that prophets cant get diseases?
            In the Bible and Torah, the hand of Moses is diseased as miracle, in the Qur'an, God makes his hand white and without disease. This is an example of an obscure correction.

            Other obscure references to the Bible in the Qur'an:
            >The Israelites drinking the ashes of the Cow
            >Puns on the names of Isaac, Ishmael, John the Baptist and his father
            >Paraphrase of a servant song in Isaiah
            >Parallels with Luke and John
            >Miracles of Jesus mentioned in Apocrypha
            >Direct quotation of Psalms
            >Parallels with Ebionite writings
            >Responses to Ecumenical councils

            The belief that the Qur'an is ignorant of the Bible is an unread and uneducated one

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >In the Bible and Torah, the hand of Moses is diseased as miracle, in the Qur'an, God makes his hand white and without disease. This is an example of an obscure correction.
            God cured Moses's hand immediately afterwards in the Bible. I don't see how this is a correction of any sort.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >God cured Moses's hand immediately afterwards in the Bible. I don't see how this is a correction of any sort.
            It's a correction because God tells us such that what happened was different from the Biblical narrative. I'm refuting the point that the Qur'an is merely repeating the Bible instead of correcting it

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Islam is gnostic influenced horse shit, why does the fact it references late apocrypha mean anything?

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          >the author of the Qur'an is well-informed in the Biblical contents
          Don't Muslims think the author of the Qur'an literally is an all-knowing God? It's to be expected that God is familiar with the Bible

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            That's exactly my point. The author of the Qur'an knows obscure points of the Bible, regularly corrects it, despite Muhammad not being literate and coming from a pagan aristocrat family. The author of the Qur'an knows the Romans were going to win eventually, knows the Islam will grow into an Empire and reach as far Constantinople and India in the hadith.

            The only reasonable explanation is grrat portions of the Qur'an and hadith were unknowingly doctored over time or God gave him inspiration. The former has not been proven to be true, though they try so hard

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            It seems more likely to me for historical religious figures to be white-washed over time rather than tarnished, which is why I trust the Bible's depiction of David more. David's goodness came not from being a paragon of morality, but for being quick to repent and mend his ways when he did fail. Just like David, we all fall short, but like David, we should never stopped trying to please God.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            there is a debate about this among Muslim scholars, but personally, I wouldn't kill my own commander just to marry his wife. I don't think prophet would do that, and I know Christians don't consider David a prophet.

            I've always found the Qur'anic narrative of David and Solomon to be more mystical instead of historical as in the Bible. Some might see this as a shortcoming, but I think it goes either way

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            What's most likely
            Muhammad having a friend who could read or was otherwise knowledgeable about scripture, or, that it's really true that he talked to an angel in a cave 1500 years ago?

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Muhammad was a successful merchant. How is it possible he was illiterate? How would he conduct regular business, keep track of paperwork and deals with contacts in Syria and Palestine?

  11. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    You’re a larper. I’m not Muslim but I know enough about the Quran to know that you’re full of shit. The whole reason why Muhammad came was because the Bible had been corrupted. Also posting an idol gave you away.

  12. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >The story of Job is completely butchered and reduced to three verses which completely omit the tragic ordeal that he had to go through
    Any muslim who would like to know more about Job is free to read the Bible, but they can't expect to get an accurate narrative.

    The Muslim position on this issue is that if the Qur'an does not elaborate on it, this means it isn't as important. Example: The Qur'an does not specify whether it was Ishmael or Isaac who was to be sacrificed by Abraham. In the Bible it was clearly Isaac. Islamic scholars debated this for many years, but the consensus is that the Qur'an is actually trying to tell us that it doesn't matter.

    The question of whether Isaac, the father of Israelites, or Ishmael, the father of Arabs, was ordered to be crucified, is against the point of the story. To a father, it matters little which son he is ordered to kill. The israelites made the story about israeli supremacy, while the Qur'an purified it to its original state/

    And it is highly unlikely the author of the Qur'an would not know that the israelites claim it was Isaac.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Wait, Muslims think Abraham was supposed to crucify his kid?

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >The Muslim position on this issue is that if the Qur'an does not elaborate on it, this means it isn't as important. Example: The Qur'an does not specify whether it was Ishmael or Isaac who was to be sacrificed by Abraham. In the Bible it was clearly Isaac. Islamic scholars debated this for many years, but the consensus is that the Qur'an is actually trying to tell us that it doesn't matter.
      This logic is moronic.

  13. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    I’m a Christian but this sounds like bait to piss off Muslims, if you genuinely are Muslim then just leave if you’re not in a radicalized country. If you apostatize but don’t do it publicly and don’t speak out openly against Islam you probably won’t be targeted. If you live in a non-Muslim country you’ll probably be fine. The Qur’an has many discrepancies even when you interpret it “fairly” like Muslims demand (they often shut down arguments by saying you cannot understand the true meaning of Quranic verses unless you learn Arabic). This is ironic because if you translate properly the Quran has more discrepancies, and alot of the verses Muslims try to defend were actually improperly translated by Muslims to make the Quran less nonsensical, changing things which are clearly meant literally to things meant metaphorically, or even inventing more specific or alternative translations to words despite them never being used that way.

    This is something they like to do especially with verses regarding space, since the Quran fricks up the descriptions and explanations of celestial bodies so horribly. When Muhammad tells us the sun has a literal rising and setting place, asks Allah for permission to rise every morning, and that it will one day rise from the West, it is meant literally, but they’d tell you “it’s very simple, it is a metaphysical matter”.

    Or when Muhammad specifically refers to the moon as a SOURCE of light, akin to a lamp in the sky, identifies day as a separate entity, and arguably a literal object, something which operates independently from the sun. But then they translate these verses incorrectly when debating with Westerners (something they constantly accuse us of doing) to make it sound more logical in English. “Ah but you see this word doesn’t actually mean light source, and this word doesn’t actually mean lamp, this word isn’t talking about a literal missile, you see! All Ham To Allah, its surely a miracle

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Basically they intentionally misinterpret these verses to make the statements about the nature of space (and other topics) seem more vague so that people don’t have as easy a time calling out how absurd these claims are.

  14. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    You're not muslim, why are you shitposting?
    Answer to all your question: no Christian sect agrees the bible has been perfectly preserved (outside some 'God made it just so despite all the revisions') so any inconsistency has plausible deniability.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      > eserved (outside some 'God made it just so despite all the revisions') so any inconsistency has plausible deniability.
      What exactly do you mean by this? Can you elaborate? If you are saying that Christians agree that the scripture is in some way CORRUPTED then you’re talking out your ass or are genuinely misinformed. If you mean that we acknowledge that in the past people tried to add or remove things from the Bible and we actively fought against that, yes. For example, muh book of Enoch. That’s gone because it was never A PART of the Bible. It was “removed” because it wasn’t supposed to be there.

      The Bible is an event and the Book of Enoch was an unwelcome guest, so it was kicked out, it wasn’t on the guest list. It wasn’t the guest of honor who was unjustly removed or something. So technically it was “removed” but you make it sound line a conspiracy. Furthermore since you’re Muslim I’m guessing you’re making an argument here as well, which is absurd because even if this claim were true, by your own definition, the Quran itself has not been perfectly preserved, since things originally meant to be in it were corrected by scribes who noticed discrepancies and asked Muhammad about it. He’d then correct his supposed revelations from Allah

  15. 5 months ago
    Anonymous
  16. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Same thing happened to me as a Christian when I read the old testament but Christians just choose to ignore it. Every single time you read in the new testament a verse that says: "This happen as X prophet said" or "to fulfil the words of Y prophet" or "as it is written by Z scriptures" If you go and read the actual words of the prophets it has noting to do with what they said and it has been completely taken out of context.

  17. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    This is a good thing.

    If you want to see real theological discussion and Muslims lose their debates against Christians, look up Sam Shamounian on youtube.

  18. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Also OP, there's a lot of anti-Christian shills on this board. You will be met with many unfaithful and dishonest answers.

  19. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    You're like Nazism, a parody, a performance, of the cultures and ideas before it. Welcome back, brother. Restore your real culture and language that the Arabs destroyed.

  20. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    > am just shocker and horrified at how many things the Quran and the Prophet get wrong about previous revelation
    Keep in mind that the Quran is supposedly the eternal words of Allah, so when discussing the errors of the Quran we are essentially saying that God made errors. God cannot make errors, so therefore the Quran cannot be the external word of God.

  21. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    This is bait.
    >hey im totes muslim guys
    >none of the easy excuses like it being abrogated or fake work for me
    >but totally when i read the bible its amazing and super true unlike that sand ni- i mean quran.
    Yeah you're totally Muslim I'm sure and not some Christian larping as a Muslim. As if anyone would be self aware one religion is full of shit, but not the other ones.

  22. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    stop larping israelite

  23. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >muslim seethe ITT
    anyways, all of this discussion is garbage and doesn't have any value

  24. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    The trinity is nowhere in the bible
    Why do you lie? You CANNOT arrive at this conclusion just by reading he bible alone. Incredibly dishonest post, in fact you are a shill against Islam.

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