Questions for Christians about God's providence and quantum mechanics?

If God is omniscient, does he know the position and momentum of a particle simultaneously assuming determinism?

If the contrary, does God really play with dice with the universe? Does he determine how the wave function will collapse once an "observation" is made (whatever that means) for any one non-commutative observable? If so does this defeat strict determinism?

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  1. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    God likes to play with deterministic dices (aka rings)

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Can you elaborate please?

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Oops I meant random number generators, not rings.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          God would have to know the numbers in advance, no?

          Would you say God uses creatures as divine instruments to exact his will through akin to Thomism?

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            The first mistake is to assume that the true source of reality is a conscious entity.
            If you ask me, the universe was most likely caused by a mathematical/logical phenomenon.
            A bit like the concept of tao in Taoism.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            We are assuming Christianity is true itt

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            There's also a paper thin difference between believing a universal consciousness and a universal father.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Again assuming Christianity itt. Do you think process theology would fit well with your position that you've elaborated so far?

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Dunno
            The only thing I know is that assuming a pure consciousness is a father figure is the biggest cope for people who are not able to subconsciously accept the fact that they will not be taken care of by their parents for eternity.

  2. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    cope

  3. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    God does not play dice
    John Calvin, 1536

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      So do you take a purely epistemic approach to quantum mechanics instead of an ontic i.e. our measurement of quantum systems is in some way dependent wholly in our knowledge about them rather than a true ontological feature of reality?

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Not him (and not a theist), but the MWI is probably the easiest way of squaring QM with determinism.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          Many World's Interpretation approaches close to Molinism. Perhaps the superposition principle reflects God's middle knowledge of possible worlds what we measure upon collapse is the world God actualizes in our own?

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Superdeterminism

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          Can you elaborate?

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            There are no neutral observers

  4. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Saying reality is 'god's dream' seems like a big personification of a truly different form of existance.
    The best understandings of God are that he is the infinite substance, that just like how things like ideas and red are real, but only as attached to something else, reality is an attachment of God.
    God is nothing like a person, and so he wouldn't sleep like a person would.

  5. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    You speak of God as if it were a character in a Marvel movie.

    You’re talking about God the same way unsophisticated evangelicals in the American south talk about God; like you want to defeat an old man who lives in the clouds. That’s ridiculous.

  6. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >If God is omniscient, does he know the position and momentum of a particle simultaneously assuming determinism?
    Great is our Lord and mighty in power; his understanding has no limit. That's a verse, bruh.
    >If the contrary, does God really play with dice with the universe?
    But our God is in the heavens: he hath done whatsoever he hath pleased. That's a verse, bruh.
    >Does he determine how the wave function will collapse once an "observation" is made (whatever that means) for any one non-commutative observable? If so does this defeat strict determinism?
    Here. This is Hebrews 11:1, a verse, bruh.
    >Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
    Faith for determinism? Faith for free will? Faith for neither? Faith for both? Whatever configuration you want, God says YES and AMEN! Pro tip: Don't guess. Look up what things actually mean, I mean like dictionary, bruh. How old are you, bruh? Why are we still 12?

  7. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >God dreaming the universe into existence
    Literally Hinduism

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Literally Platonism.

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