Question for the Christians

I want to believe in God but I feel like I can't. I’m really trying but it just doesn’t feel real. What advice would you give me?

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  1. 9 months ago
    German mentally ill sister fucker

    You're wasting your time.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Maybe. I don’t know

  2. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    no good without evil

  3. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    To start going to mass every Sunday, to pray daily, and to talk to a priest and interact with people at church. Even people born into the Church have episodes feeling like you do. In my experience, churchgoing people are way easier to talk to about existential questions than others.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      This, in addition to prayer and reading Scripture contemplate and meditate.

      My advice is to ask the right people, aka muslims.

      Christians are just as lost as yourself buddy

      The Qur'an is completely man made. It was "received" by Muhammed, but it's been changed after the fact a lot. It was manipulated to make it more appealing. Uncomfortable passages were removed. I respect islam for its values, but not as a religion.

      > Ancient collection of books is found and put together

      > Although includes history and philosophy, it has some mythologic shit in it

      > OMG it makes so much sense! Everything written on these pieces of paper is 100% real and accurate!

      > What? Other collections of books? Nah, they're just wrong, they cannot contradict our book!

      > I will belive anything this books says because of its contents! And even without any evidence for it

      > The book was changed throughout history, but don't worry! The people that made those changes are the owners of truth!

      Consider the trilemma

      You can't choose what to believe anon. The sad truth is that every religion has some kind of major flaw that clashes with objective reality and without being indoctrinated at just the right time it is hard to ignore that.
      Why do you want to believe so hard anyway?

      Can you elaborate how Christianity clashes with objective reality?

      Never dropping by to chat with your flock? Yeah, god's pretty cringe if he real.

      >what is prayer
      >what is communion

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        >what is communion
        typically, ceremonial stale crackers served by old men after an hour or so of pomp and circumstance. If this is god's communication method, he should switch to morse code or something, because literally fricking anything would be an improvement.

        >what is prayer
        internal meditation externally indistinguishable from listening to the voices in your head. Is a homeless schizophrenic more in touch with "god" than you when he hears more voices in his head? How many of those voices are god?

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          >How many of those voices are god?
          Interesting question. This is discernable through meditation.
          Communion lavishes the soul. This goes beyond neuroscience (i.e. your schizo example). It is not something purely physical or metaphorical, but a transformative action. The shitty thing is that this so-called mystery can only be understood from faith.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            >This is discernable through meditation.
            No it's not. There's no god-detector objective mechanism that reads your mind and says
            >This specific voice in your head was specifically the voice of god.
            and common arguments like "just listen to what it says, it'll reveal what it is by what it says" doesn't work either, there isn't a mechanism to be like
            >is THIS voice in my head a god-voice, or a demonic imposter >
            Or, more likely, just another voice in your head if you're EG. a schizo.

            Even in a religious worldview you'd have to concede this inability to know - the entire story of Isaac's binding is literally about god telling his dad
            >kill your son, it's a test of your faith, bro
            That a miracle intercession was needed to stay his hand indicates to me basically ANY thought, up to and including child murder, can "come from god", so "just listen to what it says" is useless.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            >This is discernable through meditation
            Explain every religion then lol

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        >but it's been changed after the fact a lot
        So has the Greek testament and the Tanach by christians

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          Were passages that didn't sit well with the populus removed? Were verses added? Aside from translation issues, what has changed?

          >what is communion
          Ritual cannibalism, pagan in origin, like most ideas in the Greek testament

          Interesting, I will look into this

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            Plenty of things were changed in the Greek testament to make it look like it was the fulfillment of the Hebrew scriptures. An example would be in Hebrews (where it quotes psalms) as "Sacrifices and offerings thou hast not desired, but a body hast thou prepared for me" when really the passage says "Sacrifice and meal-offering Thou hast no delight in; mine ears hast Thou opened".

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            In the Psalms, David refers to the custom of piercing a slave's ear. This meant that the slave, after his time of being a slave had ended, opted to still serve his master. The slave would give his live and body to his master.
            The Greek audience may not have been familiar with this custom. It is likely that the author chose this phrasing to make it more understandable.
            However, I cannot know this for certain. Nor can I claim that this phrase was in the source of the Septuaginta.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            Greek speaking audience*
            Though, again too little is known about both the author and recipient to say for sure.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            Thats not even close to what he was saying, and your reasoning makes no sense. Its got nothing to do with slaves, to open your ears literally means to listen.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            >David refers to the custom of piercing a slave's ear.
            Thats not what the psalm is about that was changed

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        >what is communion
        Ritual cannibalism, pagan in origin, like most ideas in the Greek testament

  4. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    why do you want to believe in god?

  5. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    My advice is to ask the right people, aka muslims.

    Christians are just as lost as yourself buddy

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Don't speak for us, you fricking rat. I rub porks blood on your tomb.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      i’m sorry but you have to be mentally moronic to actually WILLINGLY join such a religion that is islam. that’s why the majority of you guys r only in it bc u grew up in the religion. stockholm syndrome

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      >the right people
      The Quran says the sun revolves around the earth.

  6. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    https://www.youtube.com/@littlelightstudios/videos

    check out channels like those, they expose media and culture, which indicates heavily that christianity is real

    another good argument for christianity and faith is the problem of solipsism. only your point of view exists. only things you have seen and heard about exist within your knowledge. when you die, the whole universe will disappear along with your consciousness. you have no direct evidence that other beings are conscious like you are, and you have no direct evidence that they have a thought life like you. they only behave as if they are conscious

    you "believe" other people are conscious, because it seems to be the case...because it seems to be the case that they are. in the same way, you need to "believe" a creator created the universe

    science cannot disprove solipsism, neither can logic or rationality. infact, if you stick with only logic and rationality, solipsism is inescapable. only with some kind of faith of belief do you exit the realm of solipsism into relativity

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Implying that absence of evidence is not evidence of absence is utterly moronic

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        You either believe in God and live a selfless life for him...or you don't believe in a God, you believe thoughts and live a selfish life and get solipsism. Your choice.

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          >you believe your own thoughts

          fixed

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      >you "believe" other people are conscious, because it seems to be the case...because it seems to be the case that they are. in the same way, you need to "believe" a creator created the universe
      >
      You made sense until this point at which you pivoted premises so you could tie in christianity. Belief on God is not comparable to the experience of debatable conscious people.

  7. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    > Ancient collection of books is found and put together

    > Although includes history and philosophy, it has some mythologic shit in it

    > OMG it makes so much sense! Everything written on these pieces of paper is 100% real and accurate!

    > What? Other collections of books? Nah, they're just wrong, they cannot contradict our book!

    > I will belive anything this books says because of its contents! And even without any evidence for it

    > The book was changed throughout history, but don't worry! The people that made those changes are the owners of truth!

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      I thought catholics never changed the book? That’s what I got told anyway

      • 9 months ago
        German mentally ill sister fucker

        The catholic church reformed the book multiple times

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        They didn't change the books per se to EG write new lines that weren't actually in them- but that's a MASSIVE lie by omission implying the church is just being some accurate reporter of religious text, rather than a direct arbiter of what that even means. Consider that the church controlled

        >Choice of what books are to be included in the bible in the first place
        Since the difference between 'that book's heresy' and 'that book's the word of god' is primarily decided by historic church figureheads while political infighting for power

        >The ability to write extra-textual materials and issue dictates on matters od faith
        Under the papacy, you can straight up just say "yeah that's just how it is, they didn't write it in directly, but it's clearly implied", and thereafter the faith is expected to fall in line. This means "if the pope dictates something on a matter of faith, and no one cares enough to walk it back, he's just right, that's how it is." This is politically useful for wrangling theological sheep and massive power.

        >How one is doctrinally supposed to interpret challenging or confusing passages
        The bible says a TON of wild and out there shit. It's not Catholic, but take John 1:1-2 KJV:
        >[1] In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. [2] The same was in the beginning with God.
        A line like that can be interpreted as essentially meaning WHATEVER the frick you want. Churches come up with a set of "favorite" interpretations for these confusing passages as they base a lot of church policies on them, and typically if you stray too far from them, it's VERY frowned upon and you either end up a sect, a heretic, or a cult

        >A lot of control over the translation
        Words have a lot of wiggle room. If I write
        >Daniel struck his beloved, who was with child
        this rings VERY different to the ears than
        >Daniel bumped his pregnant lover
        Many passages read very different in differing translation: translation is power.

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          >translation is power.
          I mean if God gave you a book and you dont learn the language to read it thats pretty distespectful

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            If god exists and isn't consistently dropping by at least every thousand years or so with updated translations and maybe a reddit AMA or two, that's pretty distespectful

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            Cringe

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            Never dropping by to chat with your flock? Yeah, god's pretty cringe if he real.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            I got that the first time, its not funny when you repeat it

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            what's not funny?

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            >when you repeat it

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            you're not understanding, I'm asking what's not funny

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            >when you repeat it

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            you're not understanding, I'm asking what's not funny

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        Its 100% false. The Catholic church edited both testaments tons of times. 90% of what catholics believe and do isn't even anywhere in scripture. The immaculate conception isn't in the text anywhere but they have to believe it in order to made the theology work, so it became tradition nobody can argue about

  8. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    you must be struggling to believe in god because you dont have sub 100 iq, use this to your benefit

  9. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    What denomination of Christianity are you studying or apart of? Are you studying your faith at all? I reccomend ISV (International Standard Version) for Bible translation, and any denomination that adheres to Orthodox Christian Doctrine, which is simply that Humans were created as God's to rule the physical universe with God, but we fell from Grace, and through the nature and figure of Christ we are saved and can come to God again to be rulers with Him in the next life through Jesus Christ, our Lord. Orthodox doctrine must also see Marraige as the union of Man and Women, no other.

  10. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    I was in the same position as you a while ago, and after some time in deep thought realized there wasn’t any reason I really should or needed to believe in god outside of fitting in.

    Came out the other side non religious. I’m not going to rant about the problems with organized religion because nobody likes to be preached to, but I will say it’s something worth thinking deeply about. Ask yourself why you want to believe and if really is worth it, maybe just try to convince yourself. It didn’t work for me but everyone is different.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      I also found it helpful to confess to my Church’s priest about it, so maybe try that. They’re obliged to not judge or tell anyone else about what you say to them, so it’s worth a try.

  11. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Christianity is at base a personal relationship with perfect goodness, who we call God, which the human Jesus Christ came to embody for our natural deafness and hardness of sight. If you want to know what God is like, then read a Gospel.

    Being perfect, God is unlike us essentially, but also being a person, God expects us to communicate with Him like we would a friend. Ask God, take your concerns to Him. God is infinitely lovely. I wish you all the best cheer.

  12. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    You can't choose what to believe anon. The sad truth is that every religion has some kind of major flaw that clashes with objective reality and without being indoctrinated at just the right time it is hard to ignore that.
    Why do you want to believe so hard anyway?

  13. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    You don't understand enough. Read the bible, meditate on the stories and their lessons, see what parallels you can draw between them and yourself. Don't read it expecting to find concrete and definitive proof, just read and think about it.

    Faith doesn't come easy. Any claiming that it does are deluding themselves, fair-weather Christians waiting for something bad to happen so they can forsake God at their earliest convenience. But it is only in understanding our trials and tribulations, and how Christ has helped us through them, that we build the foundation for our faith, brick by brick.

    God be with you brother.

  14. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Don't delude yourself OP. Religious people aren't any more happy.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      wrong

  15. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    You really can't try to believe in God. It's not an option. If you care about the truth more than anything else in life, and you humble yourself enough to see that you are not God, eventually you'll see that the Bible is true and Jesus Christ is the Truth.

    I was a militant atheist for years and probably spent 7000+ hours reading atheist's books, podcasts, movies, debates, also looking into hinduism and Buddhism. I listened to all of Christopher HItchens' and Richard Dawkins' audiobooks on repeat. I think I listened to the God Delusion to completion, about 40 times.

    I wanted to know the truth no matter how brutal or bleak it was. If I discovered that there really is no meaning to life, and I knew that 100%, I was going to kill myself. I was about 98% sure the Bible wasn't true but I finally decided to read it with humility for the first time, and I was shocked to realize that it was actually true. I didn't even know how it was possible that it was true, but I knew that it was. I treated the Bible like every other atheist or religious book I had read, and found the truth.

    I didn't find the truth in the 1200+ hours I listened to Hindu & Buddhist teachers, and meditating almost every day. I didn't find the truth in secular philosophy. I found the truth in the Bible though.

    If I was going to lie to myself, why would I go through all that effort, just to choose a religion that told me that I'm no good and deserve to go to Hell for eternity, and that's where almost every one is going to end up? I became a Christian but I actually still didn't think I could be saved until almost 5 years into studying the Bible. It was not wish fulfillment, or wanting a crutch to lean on.

    If you are a monkey on a rock going through space, you're moronic for not killing yourself or being drunk and high the rest of your life.

    If you are a creation and you have a creator, humble yourself and listen to everything he says.

    I became a Christian because I wanted the truth.

  16. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Check out Dr. Ruckman on YouTube. Here's one video that does a good job of explaining what I'm saying. I believe the full series is like 3-6 hours, if you want to see more you'll have to search for it.

    ?t=362

  17. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    >I’m really trying
    That's the problem. It's not about (you) it's not about your own efforts. You can't "try" to believe in God, either God has revealed His presence to you or He hasn't because you don't want to believe in Him. You must set aside your own control, your own direction in life, repent and allow God into your life. You do not believe because you do not want to believe, because believing would require you to abandon being the pilot of your life.

  18. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    also check out madebyjimbob on rokfin. He does a good job of logically explaining God's existence. I don't agree with everything he believes since he's Orthodox, but he explains a lot of logical arguments better than anyone I've seen so far.

  19. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    read philosophy

  20. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    You can believe in God and not be a Christian.

  21. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Faith is a choice. If you want to believe than you will. The problem is you don't really truly want to.

  22. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Just believe it bro
    Really terrible advice and what's sad is this is how most Christians think. They don't actually understand what it means to have faith, they just believe whatever they read. They really have an infantile comprehension of God too.

    If you haven't seriously questioned God's existence, then you don't have real faith.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Exactly. It's the "whatever floats your boat" mentality.

      Forget that, man. I want to know how things actually are. But most people I've talked to over the years don't care at all. Just seems crazy to me, you're betting your soul on whatever conclusion you come to. You better make sure you have the right answer.

  23. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Just read up on deism. You don't have to believe everything in the Bible to have faith in something.

  24. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    get a better understanding of what exactly you're trying to believe in. figure out what exact qualities of your conception you want to believe in, which ones are stopping you, why.

  25. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    I’m 23 and only started believing two years ago. I don’t think you can convince yourself of anything. It will come to you and it will be clear as day. There will be absolutely no mistake and you will never question the existence of god ever again. Just live your life man.

  26. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Have you read the Bible? Unironically I've heard of atheists that read it and it suddenly "clicks" for them and they believe

  27. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    God will reveal himself to his children. I’m fact, the reason why he is rendering YOUR EFFORTS useless is so that I could let you know that God is the one who came to me first. It didn't matter that I was going crazy trying to understand God, only God can reveal the hidden things of God. I thank God that the voices of witchcraft are embarrassed once again and forever more. Lol quitting on being God, now that could never be me. I thank God for all of my rat race slaves. I said what I said in the mighty name of the Lord Jesus Christ.

  28. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    You asked.
    https://www.youtube.com/@GoodGodMinistry
    https://www.youtube.com/@tabooconspiracy

  29. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

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