Polytheism

Polytheism

Unattended Children Pitbull Club Shirt $21.68

The Kind of Tired That Sleep Won’t Fix Shirt $21.68

Unattended Children Pitbull Club Shirt $21.68

  1. 7 months ago
    Anonymous
  2. 7 months ago
    Dirk

    Fringe

    • 7 months ago
      JWanon

      If you worship three persons instead of one you are in fact a polytheist

      • 7 months ago
        Dirk

        Theos doesn't mean person

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Something something hypostatic union something

        • 7 months ago
          JWanon

          >hypostatic union

          Chapter and verse ?

          Theos doesn't mean person

          Correct, the Father and the Son are two distinct Theos, not one Theos

          But here's the thing: the Father is greater than the Son !

          Therefore, the Father ALONE is Almighty God

          • 7 months ago
            Dirk

            >two distinct theos
            So you're the polytheist

          • 7 months ago
            JWanon

            Sorry friend, but I believe in only ONE Almighty God and I only worship ONE person

            What about you ? How many persons do you worship ? How many persons are Almighty God ?

          • 7 months ago
            Dirk

            >Poly - multiple
            >Theism - theos (god)
            >You, "the father and son are two distinct theos, not one theos"
            You're a polytheist

            Trinitarians:
            >One theos
            >Three persons
            Monotheism
            Tripersonalism

          • 7 months ago
            JWanon

            >You're a polytheist

            Sorry friend, but I believe in only ONE Almighty God and I only worship ONE person

            What about you ? How many persons do you worship ? How many persons are Almighty God ?

            >Trinitarians:
            >One theos
            >Three persons

            If you worship three persons instead of one you are in fact a polytheist

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >believe in one almighty god
            >worship one person
            Yeah nah', that's just polytheism with extra steps. Stick to the one true God and respect, but not worship, his prophets.

          • 7 months ago
            JWanon

            You misunderstood my post. The one person I am talking about is Almighty God. He is the onlj one I worship.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            union
            >Chapter and verse ?
            John 1:1-14
            Philippians 2:5-11
            Colossians 2:9
            Hebrews 1:3
            Matthew 1:18-25
            Luke 1:26-38

          • 7 months ago
            JWanon

            >John 1:1-14
            >Philippians 2:5-11
            >Colossians 2:9
            >Hebrews 1:3

            They talk about Jesus' divinity, not about the hypostatic union

            >Matthew 1:18-25
            >Luke 1:26-38

            They talk about Jesus' birth on earth through the holy spirit, not about the hypostatic union

            Let's try again: in what chapter and verse can I read about the hypostatic union ?

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >They talk about Jesus' divinity, not about the hypostatic union
            You didn't even read the verses though, or did you expect the literal words "hypostatic union" appear there?

          • 7 months ago
            JWanon

            >Hypostatic union is a theological concept in Christian doctrine that describes the union of the divine and human natures in the person of Jesus Christ. It asserts that Jesus is both fully God and fully human, without either nature being compromised.

            Can you point that out in these verses ? Maybe I missed it. After all I am uneducated, you are much more intelligent than me

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            John 1:1-14
            In these verses, the Gospel of John presents Jesus as the Word (Logos) who was with God and was God. The Word became flesh and dwelt among us, indicating the divine nature of Christ taking on human form. (i.e.. hypostatic union)

            Philippians 2:5-11
            This passage speaks of Christ's humility and self-emptying (kenosis), taking on the form of a servant and being found in human likeness, yet also being in the very nature of God (i.e.. hypostatic union)

            Colossians 2:9
            "For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form." This verse emphasizes the fullness of God's nature dwelling in Christ's human body. (i.e.. hypostatic union)

            Hebrews 1:3
            This verse describes Christ as the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of God's being, indicating the unity of the divine and human natures in Christ. (i.e.. hypostatic union)

            Matthew 1:18-25 and Luke 1:26-38
            These passages narrate the virgin birth of Jesus, where he is conceived by the Holy Spirit and born of the Virgin Mary, affirming both his divine origin and human birth. (i.e.. hypostatic union)

          • 7 months ago
            JWanon

            >In these verses, the Gospel of John presents Jesus as the Word (Logos) who was with God and was God

            Was a god*. There are two different Gods being discussed in this verse. The fact that the Word was WITH God shows that there is a distinction of being.

            >The Word became flesh and dwelt among us, indicating the divine nature of Christ taking on human form. (i.e.. hypostatic union)

            Sorry, this doesn't follow. He was indeed divine before the incarnation, and he became human when God transferred his life into the womb of Mary, but nowhere does it say that "Jesus is both fully God and fully human, without either nature being compromised."

            >This passage speaks of Christ's humility and self-emptying (kenosis), taking on the form of a servant and being found in human likeness

            Correct ! He EMPTIED HIMSELF of all divinity. Therefore, he became 100% HUMAN contrary to what you said earlier

            >yet also being in the very nature of God (i.e.. hypostatic union)

            Sorry, the verse nowhere says that. In fact it says the OPPOSITE !

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >but nowhere does it say that "Jesus is both fully God and fully human, without either nature being compromised."
            You pick and choose verses and dismantle them one by one while occluding the full picture. This definition of hypostatic union you quoted is distilled from many chapters and verses, combined into this one, and not a single one on its own leads to it's definition, but seen as a whole they do, if one is willing.

          • 7 months ago
            JWanon

            >You pick and choose verses

            Bruh, I am literally discussing the verse YOU picked

            >and dismantle them one by one while occluding the full picture

            Ok, I have considered all the verses you gave me, nowhere does it speaks of a hypostatic union

            >This definition of hypostatic union you quoted is distilled from many chapters and verses, combined into this one

            Which ones ? Those you posted ?

            >and not a single one on its own leads to it's definition, but seen as a whole they do, if one is willing.

            Can you show me ?

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Can you show me ?
            Well, I tried, but it seems we're not speaking the same language. So the answer is no I can't show you. It's either undoable, or I am unable, or both.

          • 7 months ago
            JWanon

            >Well, I tried

            It would be more accurate to say that you showed verses and ASSUMED they taught hypostatic union but you did not explain how

            I believe I know why: because that's not what they teach

            You will feel much better once you aknowledge that JW beliefs are the the theology that make the most sense

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Was a god*.
            There's no past tense in Koine Greek

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            "Καὶ ὁ Λόγος σὰρξ ἐγένετο καὶ ἐσκήνωσεν ἐν ἡμῖν"

            And the Word became flesh and dwelled within us

            ἐγένετο: past tense of the verb γίγνομαι
            ἐσκήνωσεν: past tense of the verb σκηνόω

            You are a moron, never again speak about a language as complete as Greek

          • 7 months ago
            JWanon

            >For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form." This verse emphasizes the fullness of God's nature dwelling in Christ's human body. (i.e.. hypostatic union

            Actually, theotes denotes his divine quality. That word was used by ancient Greek writers to describe a quality or condition that could be obtained or lost as a result of one’s behavior. Obviously, then, such a term was applied to created beings and not exclusively to the almighty and eternal God, Jehovah.

            So the·oʹtes refers to a divine quality rather than to God himself.

            >This verse describes Christ as the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of God's being, indicating the unity of the divine and human natures in Christ. (i.e.. hypostatic union)

            Hold on, the Son, "is the reflection of his," that is, God's, "glory and the exact representation of his very being."

            So according to this text, Jesus Christ is a copy of God's being. He's not of the same being, he is a copy of it !

            Nothing here about a hypostatic union

            >These passages narrate the virgin birth of Jesus, where he is conceived by the Holy Spirit and born of the Virgin Mary, affirming both his divine origin and human birth. (i.e.. hypostatic union)

            Sorry, nothing here speaks of Jesus as being born both divine and human

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Not 3 Gods.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          If

          The Father is God
          The Son is God
          And the Holy Spirit is God

          How many Gods there are?

  3. 7 months ago
    JWanon

    Trinitarians, I have a question for you

    Is the Son omniscient ? Is the Holy Ghost ?

    They are both God right ? So the answer must be yes, correct ?

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Arius, I have a question for you

      Chapter and verse for the books of the Bible ?

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Is the Son omniscient?
      In his divine nature, yes.
      >Is the Holy Ghost?
      Yes.

      • 7 months ago
        JWanon

        “Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but ONLY THE FATHER.” (Matthew 24:36, 42)

        Let's try again: Is the Son omniscient ? Is the Holy Ghost ?

        Arius, I have a question for you

        Chapter and verse for the books of the Bible ?

        Ultimately, it was Jehovah who decided what books belonged in the biblical canon. A book of Scripture belonged in the canon from the moment God inspired its writing. It was simply a matter of God’s convincing His human followers which books should be included in the Bible.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          The Son didn't know in his human nature

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            So he's God when it's convenience and just a regular dude when that's convenient?

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            He's both human and God simultaneously. Only in his human nature he didn't know.

          • 7 months ago
            JWanon

            He didn't say "MY DIVINE NATURE, THE FATHER AND HOLY GHOST know the hour"

            He said: "ONLY THE FATHER"

            >Ultimately, it was Jehovah who decided what books belonged in the biblical canon.
            >A book of Scripture belonged in the canon from the moment God inspired its writing.
            >It was simply a matter of God’s convincing His human followers which books should be included in the Bible.
            Chapter and verse?

            All the verses are here:

            https://wol.jw.org/fr/wol/d/r30/lp-f/1200000880

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Only in his human nature he didn't know.
            But since God knows everything, why didn't his human nature just ask his God nature? It doesn't make any logical sense. It's just a contradiction being stated as not a contradiction.

          • 7 months ago
            JWanon

            Why wouldn't his human nature know that his divine name knows the day and hour ?

            And even if we pretend he didn't, why didn't he say the FATHER and HOLY GHOST know the day and hour ?

            Do you think Jesus LIED when he said ONLY THE FATHER ?

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Why wouldn't his human nature know that his divine name knows the day and hour ?
            Because His human nature isn't omniscient, only his divine nature
            >And even if we pretend he didn't, why didn't he say the FATHER and HOLY GHOST know the day and hour ?
            I don't know

            >Only in his human nature he didn't know.
            But since God knows everything, why didn't his human nature just ask his God nature? It doesn't make any logical sense. It's just a contradiction being stated as not a contradiction.

            >why didn't his human nature just ask his God nature?
            His human nature had no access to that. How could his human nature ask it to his divine nature?

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >His human nature had no access to that.
            Is there a chapter and verse for how this is known?

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            It's a matter of logic

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Ultimately, it was Jehovah who decided what books belonged in the biblical canon.
          >A book of Scripture belonged in the canon from the moment God inspired its writing.
          >It was simply a matter of God’s convincing His human followers which books should be included in the Bible.
          Chapter and verse?

  4. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yes it is polytheism, and then just saying "but it isn't". It's like staring at a pink unicorn and then declaring this is a blue orange and pink unicorn.

  5. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Under trinitarian logic, I could simply just declare that the Olympic gods share an essence and then call it monotheism, with a straight face.

  6. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    What a sad attempt at obfuscation.

    He didn't say "MY DIVINE NATURE, THE FATHER AND HOLY GHOST know the hour"

    He said: "ONLY THE FATHER"

    [...]
    All the verses are here:

    https://wol.jw.org/fr/wol/d/r30/lp-f/1200000880

    >All the verses are here:
    Thank you! All my arguments against your position (Arianism) are here:
    https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/2816.htm

  7. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    If I had two buttons before me, one labeled "kill all Jehovah's Witnesses" and the other labeled "kill all Muslims", and I was told that I could press each button once, I would press "kill all Jehovah's Witnesses" twice

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      You are only illustrating that one affiliated with the devil has a more seething hatred for JWs than Muslims. This gives credit to JWs.

  8. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >The father is god
    >The son is Jesus
    >The holy spirit is...uh...he's there too. He's like, a dove? Uh, but he's god too, though!

    The holy spirit doesn't fit in with the other 2 at all. The few times he's mentioned, he seems like more of a concept or another name for the father, but somehow people decided that he's his own separate entity.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      There are passages in the Bible in which the Holy Spirit has different moods iirc

Your email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *