Oh christians, if you are truthful, take out your book and show me where Jesus (pbuh) says: "I am God worship me"

Oh christians, if you are truthful, take out your book and show me where Jesus (pbuh) says: "I am God worship me"

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  1. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    >When sharing the gospel with Muslims, it is not uncommon to hear the objection: “Where did Jesus say, ‘I am God; worship me’?” This is because many Muslims have been trained (by Muslim apologists) to ask this question of Christians and demand that the answer must be in those exact words.

    OP is a literal child who was given a script to work from.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      Sheik Uthman would destroy you, kaffir.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      Quran says you're allowed to lie and deceive if it's for a greater good or to save your own skin. It also says not to engage in debate with non-Muslims.
      This is why their apologetics always rely meaningless word games and exploiting the ignorance of their opponents.
      Their god commands them to use Ben Shapiro tactics.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      not a muslim, but more just passingly curious, how was the information that jesus was god conveyed in the bible?

  2. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    John 10:30

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      >I and my father are one
      He then goes on in John 17 to say how his desire is for us all to be one like he is one with the Father. So under your logic he wants us all to become God.

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        >So under your logic he wants us all to become God.

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        Almost nailed it. Not to become God, but to become closer to God.

        The reason the Son (the 2nd Person of the Holy Trinity) joined human nature in the Person of Jesus Christ is to reestablish the lost connection man had to God. This is done by accepting the faith, praying, receiving the sacraments, obeying the Pastors of the Church and living in sanctifying grace

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Almost nailed it. Not to become God, but to become closer to God
          Sorry but your logic is that when Jesus declares that he is one with the Father that means he's God. So when Jesus declares that he wants us all to be one like he's one with the Father, he's declaring us to be God. You're just inserting something about closeness here.

          • 8 months ago
            Ο Σολιταίρ

            >And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
            >And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

            Jesus affirms that he is the "Son of God" several times
            which already contradicts Qur'an

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah I'm not OP. I'm just talking about how Jesus never declared himself to God. However Jesus did declare himself to not be God several times.

          • 8 months ago
            Ο Σολιταίρ

            Jesus declared himself to be the Son of God quite clearly.
            Clearly enough that you avoid the subject entirely lol

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            I'm not a Muslim. Jesus said a couple times that he is the son of God. However his favorite title was a son of man. Which was a reference to The book of Enoch. People say it's a reference to Daniel, but not so much.

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            Let me make it clear I'm a Catholic. The Bible doesn't have the same meaning the Quoran has for you. The Bible has to be interpreted according to the tradition of the Church, especially oral tradition, which is superior to written tradition (the Bible and the writings of the Church Fathers).

            The interpretation I gave you is the interpretation of the Catholic Church

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            I'm not OP. And I am an ex Christian. I've studied extremely deeply and also even the first and second century church. I know it very well. And I know all of the various ways Christians rationalize problems with the Bible.

            You've stated that when Jesus declares his oneness with the Father that means he's God. Thus, an objective person applying this logic to John 17, Jesus must then be saying that we are all God - or at least his desires for us all to become God. Thus your argument is absurdified. You're having trouble dealing with this so you're inserting things like closeness which aren't there. Or if you're just repeating a Catholic doctrine, you are repeating the problem that they had.

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Christians rationalize problems with the Bible
            I can't answer for protties

            >You've stated that when Jesus declares his oneness with the Father that means he's God. Thus, an objective person applying this logic to John 17, Jesus must then be saying that we are all God - or at least his desires for us all to become God
            This is why the Church has an official interpretation of the Bible. The language used by the Bible varies between symbolic and literal, and we, laymen, are not capable of interpreting it correctly without the aid of the Church

            The Canons of the Council of Nicaea clearly defined Jesus Christ to be God, and everyone knows this means Christians always professed this faith

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            >This is why the Church has an official interpretation of the Bible.
            Well that's not an interpretation, it's a rationalization to overcome contradictive viewpoints. Regardless of the source of this argument you are presenting, the logic is contradictive. Unless you believe Jesus wants us all to become God.

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            Just to let you know, the state laws that govern you aren't interpreted the way you're trying to interpret the Bible, ok? Religion would be no different, since it still deals with human problems

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            There's no interpretation needed on direct logical statements. Jesus says that he is one with God. You have concluded that this means he is God. Thus we can take this dynamic and apply it to John 17 now. Jesus says he wants us all to be one like he is one with the Father. This logic now dictates that he is saying that he wants us all to become God. There's no interpretation necessary in logical declarations. It's mathematical.

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            >It's mathematical.
            It's not kek human language doesn't work that way

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            I assure you, they even have logic classes in higher education. Even back when universities actually were higher education. Logic can be broken down into variables and tested for soundness. Have you heard of the term "soundness". It is not an opinion, but a deductive quality. Which is mathematical. As is validity.

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            Doesn't work that way

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            That's interesting. I've actually never met anybody who didn't understand logic is mathematical. Can I ask what state you live in?

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            Human language is not mathematics. Start by understanding this simple statement, and the rest will follow naturally

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            Use an example of mathematical logic that many millions of educated people understand.

            If p, then q
            If p, q
            p is sufficient for q
            q if p
            q when p
            A necessary condition for q is p
            q unless ~p
            p implies q
            p only if q
            p is a sufficient condition for q
            q whenever p
            q is necessary for p
            q follows p
            p is a necessary condition for q

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            Doesn't work that way. It's the Bible, not a DOS prompt

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            I'm comfortable with you holding the position you do and having never heard that logic is mathematically definable. All I need to illustrate.

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            Doesn't work that way. It's the Bible, not a computer. The Bible has poetry inside, you can't interpret it that way

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        yes

  3. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Where did Muhammad say "I am a God imitate me"?

  4. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    take out your book and show me where it says it's ok to be a pedo

  5. 8 months ago
    Ο Σολιταίρ

    >And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
    >And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

    Jesus affirms that he is the "Son of God" several times
    which already contradicts Qur'an

  6. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Reminder that Judaism is the only religion where God revealed himself to EVERYONE all at once without relying on some butthole saying “trust me bro”

    All israeli souls past, present, and future saw and heard HaShem speak with Moses

  7. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    >take out your book
    That's not how it works for the majority of Christians worldwide

  8. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Become a Christian, OP

  9. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's funny to see Christians and Muslims arguing with each other about which religion is more ridiculous. Christians have the nonsensical trinity and Muslims have Mohammed jaunting about on a flying horse giving special bum wiping instructions to his followers

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      I've literally never seen someone proud of the fedora stereotype. Congrats, sir, you truly are something different

  10. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Let's look at what muslim historians have to s-

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      mashallah

  11. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    If the Quran is eternal and uncreated then that makes it a god

    Islam is dualist

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      non sequitur

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