Non-religious morality in a nutshell

Non-religious morality in a nutshell

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  1. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Meaning is a subjective spiritual concept, and will remain such unless some form of "meaning particle" that can be objectively measured is discovered.
    Even if God is real, that does not mean His concept of meaning is actually Objective.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >unless some form of "meaning particle" that can be objectively measured is discovered
      How can a real human being say something like this? I guess you don't believe in free will, evil, or love, since those are also not measurable particles in the brain. I bet you think brain chemistry is what makes people happy.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        everything you said is correct and is exactly what I believe

  2. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Read a fricking book Black person, holy shit.

  3. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    this is like the 5th thread you made seething about athiests, are you just being a sperg or did just take another look at how less people believe you and made these threads to cope with it

  4. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    can you stop being a complete moron?

  5. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >magic sky israelite gives my life meaning
    kek

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >You can create your own meaning
      >I find meaning in God
      >nooooo not like that

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        You’re not doing that anon, you’re saying anyone who doesn’t believe in gods doesn’t have any meaning

  6. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    So what the Christians on this board don’t have any meaningful relationships, goals or hobbies?

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Under atheism the universe's inevitable and absolutely inescapable conclusion is a heat death where everything becomes inert, indistinguishable, equidistant particles.

      If that is true then relationships, goals, and hobbies can't be meaningful by definition, since they have absolutely no effect on the final outcome of events. Whether you do them or not will be indistinguishable at the end. The information of everything you ever do will become completely lost.

      Under Christianity, like 1 Corinthians 3 says, any good you add to this world now will be added to the resurrected world. Everything you do either permanently improves the resurrected world if it is good or reduces the amount of good that will be there at first if it is evil. Hence it is all meaningful since it is all permanently impactful.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Based WLC enjoyer

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          All good being added to the resurrected world I got from N.T. Wright
          His book completely changed my life

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        We're just back to
        >if those things didn't have transcendent meaning, then I would be le sad

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Yes, and it should make you sad! And you should listen to that sadness, and understand what it is trying to tell you. You are missing an entire dimension of fullness in life because you don't know that all the good you add to the world is truly permanent

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            I'm not an atheist, I just think this is a dumb argument.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >I just think this is a dumb argument
            no u the dummy

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >If that is true then relationships, goals, and hobbies can't be meaningful by definition, since they have absolutely no effect on the final outcome of events.
        That’s a weird qualifier. Everything people find meaningful ends. You don’t not read a book or watch a movie because it has an ending, or take a class, a vacation, literally everything. Everything ends, enjoy it while it lasts, grow up man..
        I really think you Christians here have diagnosable mental health disorders and you’re just sort of lashing out at people who don’t have your problems.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >That’s a weird qualifier
          It's weird that you object to it. "Meaning" is significance, and if a thing has no impact whatsoever then it was by definition insignificant.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Ancient man understood this and even contemplated the universe itself ending at the end of its mythological life-cycle. Only christians so emotionally immature that they need a happy ending to go on forever and ever infinitely.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        I've seen an innumerable percentage more of christians wallowing in pessimistic defeatism over living in the End Times™ than I have atheists lamenting the heat death of the universe.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >I've seen
          Anecdotal evidence is useless. According to polls, atheists are significantly more depressed and hopeless than the religious. According to https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3267345/ "The current study also shows that, as expected, there is a negative correlation between religiosity and both hopelessness...".

          Similarly https://academic.oup.com/gerontologist/article/56/3/421/2605601 says "Religiosity was found to both protect against and help individuals recover from depression. Individuals not depressed at baseline remained nondepressed 2 years later if they frequently attended religious services, whereas those depressed at baseline were less likely to be depressed at follow-up if they more frequently engaged in private prayer."

          We could look at endless studies finding the same: religiosity makes like feel significantly more meaningful for people.

          Also most atheists wouldn't care about the heat death, so much, because their world ends far sooner at the death of their loved ones and then their own death.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >ackshually
            It's never atheists making these existential threads about the meaninglessness of life.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            I don't think your opinion on the psychological effects of ideologies is going to be so accurate if you build it off of who makes what threads in the history section of Oyish

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            He’s got a point anon. It’s all Christians saying life is meaningless

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            It's not, see

            >I've seen
            Anecdotal evidence is useless. According to polls, atheists are significantly more depressed and hopeless than the religious. According to https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3267345/ "The current study also shows that, as expected, there is a negative correlation between religiosity and both hopelessness...".

            Similarly https://academic.oup.com/gerontologist/article/56/3/421/2605601 says "Religiosity was found to both protect against and help individuals recover from depression. Individuals not depressed at baseline remained nondepressed 2 years later if they frequently attended religious services, whereas those depressed at baseline were less likely to be depressed at follow-up if they more frequently engaged in private prayer."

            We could look at endless studies finding the same: religiosity makes like feel significantly more meaningful for people.

            Also most atheists wouldn't care about the heat death, so much, because their world ends far sooner at the death of their loved ones and then their own death.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            These numbers are meaningless to me. I've had a lot more profounder epiphanies regarding behavioral nilhilism interacting with the religious than atheists. Christianity is a doom cult that fetishizes the corruption and futility of life. No atheist has ever preached to me about the sweet embrace of the void.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >I will not respond to your published studies and just repeat what I wish were true
            peak atheistposting

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >it’s harder to be atheist in 2014 India and 2005 America
            Not shocking at all man, very different cultures especially in regards to religion what about here and now?

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Personal revelation is more important to me than numbers. You are spiritually a redditor.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            The first one is from India, the other is 20 years old when America was way more religious. Do you have any newer data from America?
            Do you have any current data

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >The first one is from India
            And?

            >the other is 20 years old
            Again...so? You might as well say "someone involved with it was a Hoosier". It's not even an argument, just a comment.

            >Do you have any current data
            I do, but I feel like plumbing the depths of bad reasoning today. Please explain in detail how your comments somehow invalidate the evidentiary value of the studies.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            It was hard to be an atheist in 2005 America compared to now. India is a whole different culture and the alternative isn’t Christianity either. Is there hard data that being an atheist or secular these days is harder than being a Christian? How much harder?

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >It was hard to be an atheist in 2005 America compared to now.
            What are you talking about? I was there, nothing has changed at all since then. I was actually an atheist around 2004.

            "Atheists were so oppressed they had mass hopelessness in 2005", that has got to be the most delusional thing I have ever read on Oyish and that is REALLY saying something.

            >India is a whole different culture
            And yet we see the same effect.

            >Is there hard data that being an atheist or secular these days is harder than being a Christian?
            "Hard" in what sense?

            Anyway if you really insist there's been some shift since then (and there hasn't) https://academic.oup.com/innovateage/article/4/5/igaa044/5905938 from 2020 found "higher levels of support (b = −0.294, p < .01), religiosity (b = −0.297, p < .001), religious attendance (b = −0.218, p < .05) were independently and inversely associated with hopelessness".

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >What are you talking about? I was there, nothing has changed at all since then
            Christians have declined a huge amount since then.
            Your new example is middle aged African Americans who have faced discrimination feel fewer feelings of hopelessness. You haven’t posted one study on modern America in general and if it helps. I mean so many factors affect happiness.

            Many of you Christians openly complain about not fitting in with modern society, I don’t see anywhere near that much complaining from secular people

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Christians have declined a huge amount since then.
            And? That's somehow fundamentally changed the effect religiosity has on feelings of hope vs. hopelessness?

            >Your new example is middle aged African Americans
            You're offering 0 in the way of explanation for why every study shows this. No anon, there hasn't been a general study of this from the past 5 weeks among the entire population of America. What we do is work with the data we have.

            Here's another from 2020 of college undergraduates: https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2020-28237-001. It found that religious beliefs, themselves, increased the degree to which those socially isolated felt life was meaningful.

            https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2018-18547-001 published just a few years ago found "that religious (vs. non- or less religious) people reported higher perceived meaning in life, which was associated with a reduced tendency to feel bored".

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            So you're lying to yourself about the existence of sky israelite to avoid becoming le sad. You are a pathetic pussy.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Not at all, we can definitively prove that Christ really does have the power to do as he said and resurrect us all. Look at what he did during the crucifixion, when the sun went dark and the earth shook. We have absolute historical verification of this, look at the evidence https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUtwaN7lQbU talks about from non-Christian and extrabiblical sources, and the physical evidence for it like pic related

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Stop promoting your shitty YouTube channel

  7. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Morality is objective because I would be le sad if it weren't
    A book written by cavejews is also meaningless. Deluding yourself that it is the objective revelation of the most powerful being possible does not magically make morality objective.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      The troony atheists really have to be trolling right? This is worse than on /misc/
      >most powerful possible being
      This is the level of comprehension of God that a 10-year old has when they’ve only learned about religion through pop culture
      Do you not know that God is being itself?
      If God is the source of moral code, then by definition it is objective.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        I was talking to people who believe in the Skyjew, not you, hippy!

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Besides which, are you saying there exists a possible being MORE powerful than God?
        >nooooooooooooooo

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >If God is the source of moral code, then by definition it is objective.
        If sky israelite said eating babies is moral, would it be moral?

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Never got why eudaimonistic virtue ethics would need God.

          If you're Billy Ockham, yes, but thankfully Aquinas still is bigger than that tard.

  8. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Topkek true, the same people who go
    >reee religion is made up fairytale
    >nooo my made up meaning isn't a fairytale

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Nobody says that or looks like that

  9. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Still waiting for how having an imaginary friend is meaningful.

  10. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Everyone creates their own meaning. You just chose to make it an imaginary israelite in the sky.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Stop projecting

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Anon’s a Christian?

  11. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Unless you have a non-existent ego, I think most people who don’t or can’t find meaning from above can comfortably settle on defining their own meaning.
    You only become a nihilistic schizo if you can’t find faith in anything externally or internally.

  12. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Life has no meaning and it ultimately deterministic

  13. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    That image is not addressing morality in any way. You are moronic, and must go back.

  14. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Look at all the angery replies ITT.

    Excellent work OP, hats off. You did it, now put your feet up and have a cigar.

  15. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    For me the meaning of life is the pursuit of happiness without taking the happiness from others and helping others to have happiness. Happiness would be the basic biological, psychological, social etc needs.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Happiness is only an indicator of well-being the same way pain is an indicator of harm, well-being promotes growth. Ensuring the growth of your community is, in part, ensuring your own.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >well-being promotes growth
        I'd argue pain promotes growth, "happiness" promotes stagnation.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        So?

        >well-being promotes growth
        I'd argue pain promotes growth, "happiness" promotes stagnation.

        Not a rule, comfort makes growth easier

  16. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Religious people have created their own meaning just as much as non-religious, they just claim the meaning they've created by choosing a religion is different because it was created ages ago.

  17. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Does this picture describe religious people in the 21st century? I think it does

  18. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Pic rel is all I need for meaning

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >something makes me feel like there is real meaning in the universe, and it's heckin' kittenarinos!

  19. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    If I create my own meaning how is that meaningless?

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Because I said so

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Well, I say the opposite then

  20. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >If God didn't exist, I would be sad.
    >I am not sad.
    >Therefore God exists.
    These transcendental arguments are getting more and more interesting.

  21. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >that meaning is meaningless
    Why? Seems meaningful to at least that person.

  22. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    who cares about meaning, are you a child or something

  23. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >you are a subjective being experiencing from your own perspective
    >there is a reality we all experience with enough consistency to consider it a thing onto itself
    >you can never understand this "thing" from you perspective without becoming it and shedding your subjectivity
    >you will always not know
    >everything is a cope to incentivise you to continue the experience

    You can claim objectivity through religion and an appeal to God, but if God is objective you cannot understand it. So you do not understand objectivity and cannot project it on me. Just your opinions. Some opinions get you farther in the game than others

  24. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >>You can create your own meaning
    More like: the dynamic boundary conditions will create a shortcut most appropriate for the current circumstances.

  25. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >he needs 'meaning' in his life.
    once you get crippled into believing this shit, you never recover.

  26. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >what is the meaning of god
    >uhh

    >what is the meaning of following what gods says
    >uhh its good?
    >and whats the meaning of good?
    >uhhhh

  27. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >that meaning is meaningless
    moron

  28. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Just because there is no objective basis for morality doesn't mean you cannot argue for a superior moral system that is reasoned out.
    Thinking a lack of authority handing down morality means anything goes simply shows your individual character of how you would behave if you didn't think anyone was watching

  29. 10 months ago
    Anonymous
  30. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    If everything is meaningless then any belief system is as good as another. They're all the same, so there's no problem with your beliefs being arbitrary and made up. Any value judgment you'd make about that being bad would also be meaningless. The only meaning that exists is what you put stock in.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      You're misunderstanding what "meaning" means, see

      Under atheism the universe's inevitable and absolutely inescapable conclusion is a heat death where everything becomes inert, indistinguishable, equidistant particles.

      If that is true then relationships, goals, and hobbies can't be meaningful by definition, since they have absolutely no effect on the final outcome of events. Whether you do them or not will be indistinguishable at the end. The information of everything you ever do will become completely lost.

      Under Christianity, like 1 Corinthians 3 says, any good you add to this world now will be added to the resurrected world. Everything you do either permanently improves the resurrected world if it is good or reduces the amount of good that will be there at first if it is evil. Hence it is all meaningful since it is all permanently impactful.

      .
      "Meaning" is significance. ("What does this mean?" and "What is the significance of this?" are synonymous). If death is the end and all people and the world itself will inevitably die, your actions have no significance by definition since the end state is completely identical whether you take them or not. Under atheism, everyone becomes unconscious nothing and the world becomes inert equidistant particles whether you make a piece of music or paint a picture or tell a story or not.

      Under Christianity, all the good you add to this world will be restored in the resurrection even if it ceases to exist per 1 Corinthians 3. So since everything you do influences the world forever, everything has significance - that is, meaning.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        It is funny that Christians have the same sort of existential nihilism of Rick and morty Redditors that the heat death of the universe means nothing matters

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >that the heat death of the universe means nothing matters
          Without resurrection, it absolutely means that. That isn't even questionable. An iron, inescapable conclusion of the second law of thermodynamics is that the end state of the universe by purely physical processes will be inert, equidistant, indistinguishable particles.

          You _CANNOT_ change this.
          So you, under atheism, cannot have a significant impact on anything. Everything will be identical no matter what you do.

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