Muslims aren't trustworthy. Discuss.

Muslims aren't trustworthy. Discuss.

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  1. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    neither are israelites, what's your point?

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      neither are christians, what's your point?

  2. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    isn't that obvious.

  3. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    TLDR?

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      There was a gap of a few decades between Muhammad's death and the Quran getting written down and in that time a multitude of different Qurans (as in, memorized oral sayings of Muhammad's supposed revelations) came about. The Quran that survives to us is the one that was decided by political fiat as the correct one.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      The point is that muslims keep babbling about the "perfectly preserved quran" as a big argument in favor of their religion but it's a completely made up myth. There are tons of quranic textual variants, and some hadiths even state that the modification of the quranic text took place during the Prophet's life with his backing.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        see [...]
        They don't want people to know about this. This is why they tried their hardest to suppress the Yasir Qadhi interview, and why they tried to kill Hatun Tash.

        This is hardly unique. The Christian church has been far more efficient and ruthless in suppressing and eradicating things it didn't want to be contained in the bible. The two major Buddhist divisions have entirely different religious texts, etc. Any religion that's been around for a while has this sort of thing.

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          >This is hardly unique
          In modern times, they're the only ones making that claim, and they often rely on it.

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          In the Christians' defence, we maintained much in the Bible which the israeliteS had tried to screw with. Look up "Septuagint Jeremiah".
          As for the New Testament, we were arguably too lenient, not too strict. 2 Peter for one doesn't belong in there. I'd entertain an argument for doing what the Codex Alexandrinus did, and putting 1 Clement in there; but even if it's not in there, we do venerate 1 Clement as forefront of the Apostolic Fathers.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            The first mistake is believing the old and new testament where somehow written by God, and not influenced by the minds of the men who wrote it. The book of John wasn't written by a man called John. Anything else is nonsense.

  4. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Aren't trustworthy? They wrote all this down, and recorded everything. If they were untrustworthy, we would know nothing about this

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      see

      The point is that muslims keep babbling about the "perfectly preserved quran" as a big argument in favor of their religion but it's a completely made up myth. There are tons of quranic textual variants, and some hadiths even state that the modification of the quranic text took place during the Prophet's life with his backing.

      They don't want people to know about this. This is why they tried their hardest to suppress the Yasir Qadhi interview, and why they tried to kill Hatun Tash.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        Huh? If they didn't want people to know about it, they wouldn't a whole book about it

        >Ibn Mujahid explains in his book on the Seven Readings

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          They rebrand those textual variants as a "dialectical miracle" intended by God. But this damage control crumbles when you examine those variants and how their meanings are sometimes incompatible. If you don't understand why this means they are lying, I can't help you.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            Example of incompatible variant.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            how is this incompatible? it's just a plural vs a singular

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            >how is this incompatible? it's just a plural vs a singular
            You're moronic.

            >If you don't understand why this means they are lying
            Muslims really do believe God gave the textual variants, and they were made to facilitate the different dialects of Arabs and also to add meaning.

            If by "lying" you mean inconsistent with the claim that the Qur'an is preserved. First of all, this isn't lying. Second, the existence of Quranic variants does not contradict the claim that the Qur'an is preserved. The variants are preserved, and are claimed to be part of prophecy. The Qur'an, from its very inception, is a multi modal text. Failure to understand this indicates a lack of familiarity with the sources

            >Muslims really do believe God gave the textual variants
            No one among them can know whether God orders non-festers to feed one man or several men. No one can sincerely believe both versions come from God.
            >Second, the existence of Quranic variants does not contradict the claim that the Qur'an is preserved
            Yes it does, because you can't know what the original is, and if you had bothered to read OP's pic you'd know there was an original reading. You're a midwit.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            non-fasters*

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            >If you don't understand why this means they are lying
            Muslims really do believe God gave the textual variants, and they were made to facilitate the different dialects of Arabs and also to add meaning.

            If by "lying" you mean inconsistent with the claim that the Qur'an is preserved. First of all, this isn't lying. Second, the existence of Quranic variants does not contradict the claim that the Qur'an is preserved. The variants are preserved, and are claimed to be part of prophecy. The Qur'an, from its very inception, is a multi modal text. Failure to understand this indicates a lack of familiarity with the sources

  5. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    No religion is trustworthy, discuss.

  6. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Discuss
    your post is pretty much the only thing I've seen in the last few days to indicate there's an ongoing military crisis in Palestine. My mom mentioned "heavy events in the world" in passing, but she's kinda out of the loop so that doesn't mean much.

    • 6 months ago
      Chud Anon

      Wtf I hear about it constantly, even normal homosexual news sites have stopped talking about Trump and transgender bathrooms (as much) this month to post about it

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        Have there been any developments?

        • 6 months ago
          Chud Anon

          Big invasion of Gaza incoming

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