Muhammad wrote the Quran

Muhammad wrote the Quran

What's the most accurate depiction of Muhammad, based on hadith, foreign diplomatic accounts, and other local, foreign, and external travelers who eyewitnessed him?

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  1. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    There are various contradictory views and opinions held by some non-Muslims as to the source of the Quran. The following list of “possible” authors reflects the main theories:

    1) Muhammad.
    2) Some other Arab poet(s), scholars, etc.
    3) Some non-Arab scholars, or poets or religious personalities.
    4) Monks or Rabbis (i.e. from the Bible or Judeo-Christian sources).
    5) Satan (or other deceitful “spirits” or “aliens”, etc.).

    All of them have been refuted in the Quran. It is the word of God. Al hamdullilah for the blessings of belief.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      But using the Quran as a reference for opposing authorship is circular. The fact that Arabs are the most natural masters of Arabic poetry suggests the likelihood of authorship to be within Muhammad's circle. This by itself and the mastery of form in the Quran suggests Arab authorship, from which suggestions from your list show probability in descending likeliness, except perhaps Satan being more possibly top three, if we choose to believe in him, since he's reputedly long-lived.

      Your post was off topic but I'll allow it because it's incredibly interesting. Now what are the real miracles and proofs of the Quran being made by God?

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        I don't care. You know why? Because.most likely you believe in some shitty version of the universe appearing from itself, gave you a brain by accident, and here you are arguing that the Quran is not the word of God because of circular reasoning.

        What does it take for you smoothbrains to understand it isn't about material evidence, nor is evidence itself enough. There will always be a.leap.of fajth, wether you leap towards heaven, or if you decide to leap into the void that Hell is.There is no way out of it. This isn't about evidence once you provide the evidence. It is about what you decide to commit to, knowing that that there is really no evidence beyond a certain point. It is all faith, and any idiot who denies it is probably the same idiot who thinks his anus has a function but the universe has none. Science for baasedbooys.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          >shitty version of the universe appearing from itself, gave you a brain by accident
          No I believe in God. I don't know why you'd assume that. Do you have a serious response prepared for STEM anons who want to believe?

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            The Quran is clear, I'm not sure you even know what you are looking for. You can find God by just looking at your own face, and realize.how insane this creature that you are really is. STEM anons are often arrogant in their views and expect a sort of mathematical proof of God. I am a stemgay myself, but at least I realize that science is at a level that cannot touch this subject. I don't believe that one needs a PhD in quantum mechanics to be convinced of God. If anything it would be unfair to think God would place it on mankind to be.technologically advanced in order to decifer him. That "seing" goes beyond the senses. The senses can lead.you to that door, but to open it, you have to use your "inner eye mumbo jumbo" to access it. God bnoth says "don't they see" while also saying that disbelievers are blind, blind in their hearts and not their eyes. God also says he puts a veil.over the heart of those who disbelieve, indicating that man has to commit to the search so that the veil is.removed over the heart and thus is able to see through it.

            A purely material mindset will not access.this.knowledge, and will surely dismiss it, and this is why I.don't think argumentation does much.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Okay I see, you just don't know what you're talking about. Bye. I'd rather talk to a Muslim at least 120 IQ.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            I'm pretty sure some high IQ people are.going to Hell, and some low IQ.people will be entering heaven. See, IQ isn't the metric, but for someone who cares for it, you seem to be.low IQ.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            youre the one whos low iq, and the proof of this is that youre part of a religion thats supposed to be for everyone, but youre too stunted to figure out how to present it, and force yourself in a pathetic egotistic shell. its mainly because you clearly dont know the convincing quranic revelations related to science.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            See, the Quran is not a book of science,and Allah didn't put these verses in order to sway people because they require scientific evidence to be commited to the religion.

            Yes there are verses related to embryology, things that might point to the big cruch, the lithosphere, etc. Scientific knowledge is ever-changing, but these verses are eternal. I'm not going to reduce these verses to the whims of scientists and their discoveries/interpretations.

            There might have been a time where I would be more prone to refer to them, but I was younger and perhaps less skeptic as to the nature of knowledve, deality, etc. I am not approaching it from an egotistical pov. What I am saying is that there is no one formula to push someone to accept any religion. It really comes down tyo personal understanding and the willingness one has to submitbto the truth when he sees it, that's if they wish to see it.

            On 4chins I am usually more atvthe level kf belief vs disbelief, and nkt so much concerned to show the truthb of Islam, because if anything Islam is a sort of easy conclusion once you accept the existance of God. Our view of God is pure monotheism, and is easily showcased by surah ikhlass. God is one, absolute, he begets not, nor is he begotten, and none is like him. Islam is an easy choice because it emanates naturally from anyone who sees that there has to be.a.God. That God is supreme, absolute, unique, all powerful, all knowing, etc. And the crazy idea is that... we would.never.worship a God who is not all of theses things. Why would you worship a God who can succomb to influences, kr doesn't possess all power and knowledge? He needs.no partners, and nokne.shares.in his divinity. If you accept that, then Islam is just a given. The Quran will come naturally to you. No proofs needed.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Our view of God is pure monotheism, and is easily showcased by surah ikhlass. God is one, absolute, he begets not, nor is he begotten, and none is like him. Islam is an easy choice because it emanates naturally from anyone who sees that there has to be.a.God. That God is supreme, absolute, unique, all powerful, all knowing, etc. And the crazy idea is that... we would.never.worship a God who is not all of theses things. Why would you worship a God who can succomb to influences, kr doesn't possess all power and knowledge? He needs.no partners, and nokne.shares.in his divinity.
            >If you accept that, then Islam is just a given. The Quran will come naturally to you. No proofs needed.
            All those show is just that God exists. Why is the step to move onward to Islam so essential in your view? Many just as easily go for Christianity.

            For Christianity, it seems that Jesus is the perfect link between man and God, being manifested and having existence in both planes. Their other explanations for this are adequately rational too. People think this is incongruous, but it's actually intellectually satisfactory. All those Christian theologians weren't intellectual lightweights and idiots.

            What makes Islam's theology special?

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            I'm glad you at least brought the theology out. Most Muslims are legit idiots and their promotion of Islam comes down to social bonds... Which literally every religion has. Should people be grounding their belief in how much they like a group of people? It's a recipe for rejection once those bonds enter turmoil.

            Now what I'm getting at is which religion gives more insight to Free Will. Because when it comes to comparing the two, it depends on an individuals choice since both Islam and Christianity have satisfactory explanations of God's being.

            How does mainstream Islam explain Free Will, and what are the major alternate explanations in its theology schools?

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Man has free choice; he doesn't have free will. If he did, he'd be able to fulfill all of his wishes.

            It's a balanced view between trust in God while understanding that you have a role to play in the outcomes on this Earth. There's an anecdote where someone asks the prophet if she should attach his camel or just trust God that the camel won't escape and run in the wild. The prophet responded by saying to trust God, and still attach your camel. Ultimately God is behind all things, as nothing that happens is outside of his will. Yet, we are given choices to make, and those choices are what we will be judged on. Humans don't have access to much knowledge or.power in relation to what awaits them and the circumstances surrounding their days, but they do have a say in some things and also have a say.as to how they behave and respond to things that appear to them.

            I have a personal analogy that I like to give out to explain this.

            A spider has to build his web to catch his food. Past building his web appropriately, he has no power over what and when he eats. At the same time, the spider would be to blame if it receives no subsistence due to the fact that it didn't build the web. So there are things you have power over, and some other things you don't. If say you pht in the work, and God doesn't send your way what you seek, how do you respond? By praising him, or resenting him? This is where we are also tested as people.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Even in the modern bible you can't find a verse where Jesus says he is God, or that you have to worship him.

            The Quran destroys this view of Jesus with a few statements, one of which God says Jesus was.not crucified, but jt appeared to them so. If this is the case, then the whole idea of him dying for your sins crumbles, and that particular interpretation of Christian faith is destroyed.

            I mean, it is kind of funny that even in the modern bible you can find indications of this being true. Jesus appears in front of a person, asking for food, after his apparent crucifixion. The person having heard he got crucified, gets scared thinking he is a.ghost. Jesus basically tells him he is not a ghost, nor did he die, by requesting some food.

            There are many verses in the bible that refute the idea that Jesus was God in the form of man. Read the bible and you'll find verses stating that Israel is the son of God. That all of humanity are the children of God. A verses where Jesus tells people "my god and your god".

            The trinity is a form of polytheism. It divides God into parts, assigning partners and a share in godhood. The first commandment stands against it. Churches are.filled with idolatry, statues and images, and people bow down to those. The israelites.got a few things right in that sense. They went in the wrong direction by refusing Jesus prophethood.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            no. ur just copying centuries old islamic rhetoric that negatively reads the bible, but with an obvious double standard that ignores whats also metaphor in the quran.
            in the quran it says allah has two hands. is this to be taken literally? in ur theology u have the concept of qiyas/analogy. if ur willing to take some quranic things as metaphor, why be so unfair to the bible? if u cant be fair here i dont think we can get anywhere useful. but surely u can see reason

            >Jesus appears in front of a person, asking for food, after his apparent crucifixion. The person having heard he got crucified, gets scared thinking he is a.ghost. Jesus basically tells him he is not a ghost, nor did he die, by requesting some food.
            find and read these bible verses over again, dont just rehash what u mistakenly remember about it. ull find that theyre consistent with the crucifixion narrative, like embryology in the quran is consistent with modern science. that goes for every other verse u mentioned, all of which form a consistent narrative. if im willing to be fair for the quran, u should behave likewise.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            This is exactly the point. The words Father, Son in the bible are metaphirical, christians take them to be literal.

            [...]
            double digit iq christian posters leave this thread.

            having read the bible and the quran, there are no scientific errors in the quran, and some supposed errors have the reasonable explanation of being metaphorical. any fair and serious scholar would reach this conclusion.

            [...]
            >Man has free choice; he doesn't have free will. If he did, he'd be able to fulfill all of his wishes.
            this is a false dichotomy and free will considered in english is more conceptualized as the free choice you described

            do u see this as predestination? if theres no free will in the islamic view, then allah creates some of man for the purpose of making them suffer in hell, which seems malicious and sadistic.

            Allah could have put everyone in their proper destination without having us to live our lives and make our choices. He doesn't, because Allah is Just, and doesn't punish the innocent, until they are guilty. His knowledge of all things doesn't negate your free choice, nor does it negate a sort of predestination. You as a human should have the trust in God's Justice, that you will only be judged on things you had control over, not the things outside of your grasp.

            I'm not responding to

            >Yes there are verses related to embryology, things that might point to the big cruch, the lithosphere, etc. Scientific knowledge is ever-changing, but these verses are eternal. I'm not going to reduce these verses to the whims of scientists and their discoveries/interpretations.
            But most of them are false?
            >the sun sets in a muddy spring
            >galenic embryology in quran

            Just to name two very embarrassing hot takes in the supposed eternal word of god.

            [...]
            >ETERNAL, TIMELESS WORD OF GOD
            >MUHAMMAD WAS THE PERFECT MAN
            >(uhm actually him fricking a 9 year old is contextual)

            >muh ammad

            >muzzies back then already got bullied so hard they felt the need to seethe about it in their book

            LMAO

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >I'm not responding to
            you just did

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            1 if he has perfect knowledge, he knows what everyone will do from the outset
            2 he created them with that knowledge, which means he created them knowing that theyd choose hell
            3 since he doesnt give them real free will, their choice is illusory and they're only fulfilling his creation
            4 this either removes them from any responsibility, meaning hell as punishment would be unjust. or it means he created some specifically for hell, which makes him malicious, which would make him a less than ultimately good being.

            if you dont see the problem with this, or have a better explanation, we cant continue this discussion

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            The modern interpretation of Jesus is incongruent with what the bible says.

            It is easier to defend the islamic pov using the bible than it is to support the modern christian view.

            Here's one. Jesus fasted for 40 days in the desert in order to resist the temptations of the devil. If the devil can tempt him, then the devil has power over him. Why do christians worship a God that can be overcome by the Devil?

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >It is easier to defend the islamic pov using the bible than it is to support the modern christian view.
            In a general sense, yeah sure, but that's meaningless as you have to ignore the fact that the Quran is an obvious result of Muhammad making up shit as he goes along. The fact that Abrogation is a thing at all is a testament to this, as is "Allah" not being able to do basic math, or getting basic facts about astronomy wrong.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >you have to ignore the fact that the Quran is an obvious result of Muhammad making up shit as he goes along.
            as a non muslim its not that simple, and the scientific accuracy of the quran puts the plagiarism accusation into question

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >scientific accuracy of the quran
            There is not a single thing the quran states that is correct in a ccientific sense.
            Even when it comes to discussing Judaism and Christianity, the quran is almost always wrong.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Yes there are verses related to embryology, things that might point to the big cruch, the lithosphere, etc. Scientific knowledge is ever-changing, but these verses are eternal. I'm not going to reduce these verses to the whims of scientists and their discoveries/interpretations.
            But most of them are false?
            >the sun sets in a muddy spring
            >galenic embryology in quran

            Just to name two very embarrassing hot takes in the supposed eternal word of god.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            [...]
            >ETERNAL, TIMELESS WORD OF GOD
            >MUHAMMAD WAS THE PERFECT MAN
            >(uhm actually him fricking a 9 year old is contextual)

            double digit iq christian posters leave this thread.

            having read the bible and the quran, there are no scientific errors in the quran, and some supposed errors have the reasonable explanation of being metaphorical. any fair and serious scholar would reach this conclusion.

            Man has free choice; he doesn't have free will. If he did, he'd be able to fulfill all of his wishes.

            It's a balanced view between trust in God while understanding that you have a role to play in the outcomes on this Earth. There's an anecdote where someone asks the prophet if she should attach his camel or just trust God that the camel won't escape and run in the wild. The prophet responded by saying to trust God, and still attach your camel. Ultimately God is behind all things, as nothing that happens is outside of his will. Yet, we are given choices to make, and those choices are what we will be judged on. Humans don't have access to much knowledge or.power in relation to what awaits them and the circumstances surrounding their days, but they do have a say in some things and also have a say.as to how they behave and respond to things that appear to them.

            I have a personal analogy that I like to give out to explain this.

            A spider has to build his web to catch his food. Past building his web appropriately, he has no power over what and when he eats. At the same time, the spider would be to blame if it receives no subsistence due to the fact that it didn't build the web. So there are things you have power over, and some other things you don't. If say you pht in the work, and God doesn't send your way what you seek, how do you respond? By praising him, or resenting him? This is where we are also tested as people.

            >Man has free choice; he doesn't have free will. If he did, he'd be able to fulfill all of his wishes.
            this is a false dichotomy and free will considered in english is more conceptualized as the free choice you described

            do u see this as predestination? if theres no free will in the islamic view, then allah creates some of man for the purpose of making them suffer in hell, which seems malicious and sadistic.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >errors pointed out
            >”actually there are no errors”
            Good job defending your religion mohammedan

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            ur moronic
            not muslim
            i said scientific errors. u dont even know the difference btwn science and theology

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >muslim scholars believe the sun setting in a muddy spring is scientifically……. correct!

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            The quran states that there is an embryonic stage when the embryo is 100% bones.
            “Then We made the sperm-drop into a clinging clot, and We made the clot into a lump, and We made the lump into bones and We covered the bones with flesh; then We developed him into another creation."
            Al-Muminun 23:14

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            ive already looked into this long ago. muslim anons too simple minded/toomuch of a coward to defend these points so ill do it for him.

            this "error" is debunked here
            http://quran-errors.blogspot.com/2013/10/re-wikiislam-quran-scientific-error_25.html
            its stuff like this that makes me think the quran really could be the word of god since medieval medicine always makes mistakes, but i have yet to see what about islam solidifies it as the true religion

            people like you and muh muddy sun are just grasping for straws

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Your embryology link is a huge cope. This has nothing to do with linguistics. muslims know that very few people speak [quranic] arabic and they use the language in a desperate attempt to explain away all the bullshit the quran says.

            Keep in mind:
            The Quran claims to be “explained in detail” (6:114; 7:52; 41:3 & 7:174), “a full explanation of the Book” (10:37), “the Book explaining all things” (16:89), “a detailed exposition of all things” (12:111), “the manifest Book (this Quran) that makes things clear” (44:2) “a Book are perfected its Verses moreover, explained in detail” (11:1) and in which “nothing has been neglected” (6:38).

            The quran literally states that the Sun sets inside the Earth. Again in this verse [18.86] the muslims fall back to the language trope/cope.
            For over 5 centuries every single muslim commentator understood the verse as literal.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            well duh theres a issue of linguistics, but its not as simple as you put it. even when considering linguistics, the issue is moot. language can be literal and metaphorical. the sun in a pool as a metaphor is an adequate explanation. any fair person can see that.

            and just because arabs didnt understand a verse only to later find its a scientific truth, would in that case just be revelation continuing to reveal itself.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            ok you're a troll
            even a muslim monkey would not write such a reply

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            > muh muddy sun are just grasping for straws
            Please do elaborate?

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            https://imamyahyasite.wordpress.com/2018/07/31/dhul-qarnain-and-the-setting-sun/
            https://imamyahyasite.wordpress.com/2018/08/09/the-ahadith-the-tafsirs-the-setting-sun/
            https://imamyahyasite.wordpress.com/2019/07/31/2649/

            No muslim has ever managed to refute this guy.
            He buries the quran, allah, and muhammad in shallow grave.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Post the content of the links. I'm not going to read three books just to refute one.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            get fricked
            I'm not going to spoon feed you Black person

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            You can't refute Qur'an, so you hide behind gish gallop.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            The quran has been refuted thousands of times.
            Sadly, we can't reason with monkeys that elevate a work of plagiarism to divine status.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >The quran has been refuted thousands of times.
            As a non-Muslim, no it hasn't, not really. There are a bunch of vain b***hings about it though.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            You can't defend it Muslim anon.
            Even posting links like that low effort midwit does alot. The fairest stance on the Quran from a skeptical POV is that it might be the word of God, and there are no 100% proven scientific errors found in it, which is remarkable, since every other major religion's holy texts have provable historic, moral, and scientific errors.

            Maybe that's why most of the perennialists were Muslim.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >The fairest stance on the Quran from a skeptical POV is that it might be the word of God
            Why is allah plagiarizing from the Gnostics and the Talmud you dumb frick?
            Where is the setting place of the Sun? Post the google coordinates.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >and there are no 100% proven scientific errors found in it
            So why don't you convert?

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Because like I said, no Muslim has shown me Islam's theological unique strengths.

            Muslims tend to get stuck at misunderstanding Trinity, and defaulting to predestination which is incoherent, but I know Islam's aqidah and fiqh make it capable of much deeper truth than that.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Muslims tend to get stuck at misunderstanding Trinity
            Well, I'm a Muslim and I understand it.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >You can't defend it Muslim anon.
            Here's what we can do to show Islam's possible truth value:
            -Note the unique theological and other proofs of Islam. Find articles explaining them.
            -Note the most common objections, like "muh deboonks" then find strong responses for them, and find articles explaining them fully.
            -Compile these documents and have them ready for posts, or make infographs.
            -Meme them

            I'm not Muslim so I'm not as motivated as you, but that'd be the way to get influence.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            The Quran says that the Earth is flat, that the moon is the size of a man's foot, and that the moon is a short donkey ride's distance in the sky. The Quran says that Allah turned himself into a flying donkey that Muhammad rode up to the moon. Muhammad then cut the moon in half with his sword, and stitched it back together. The Quran also says that camel urine is a magical elixir that can prevent stabwounds. According to Muhammad, the punishment for doubting any of these claims is death.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            You're a lying homosexual.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Prove any of that is wrong homo. I'm a Christian, Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior. Muslims are our bros

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            None of his claims about the Quran are true. I'm not Muslim and I've read the Quran several times with secondary to assist me.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah I figured. My larger point being that atheists can't disprove shit because they don't know anything, they're moronic. If Muhammad had God's aid of course he could turn in to a donkey, if such a thing was ever postulated. He could do anything through God's endless power. And atheists just writhe and seethe in misery at their perverse minds need to solve His great mystery.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >According to Laleh Bakhtiar’s Concordance of the Sublime Qur’an
            >She produced a gender-neutral translation, The Sublime Quran, and challenged the status quo on the Arabic word daraba, traditionally translated as "beat"—a word that she said has been used as justification for abuse of Muslim women.
            ah yes a liberal woman, the perfect source of truth for anything
            sorry homosexual this is just another case of academic dishonesty
            not reading the rest of that shit, sets such a low standard

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          You believe that the israelite deity, some random dune coon, and a book he made up poofed out of nowhere from nothing for no reason and made the world in six days therefore you have to wipe your ass with your hand, anon. You don't have much room to talk about other people's religions being incoherent or silly.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Okay I see, you just don't know what you're talking about. Bye. I'd rather talk to a Muslim at least 120 IQ.

            8:31 Whenever Our revelations are recited to them, they challenge ˹you˺, “We have already heard ˹the recitation˺. If we wanted, we could have easily produced something similar. This ˹Quran˺ is nothing but ancient fables!”

            2:171 The example of those who disbelieve is like that of one who shouts at what hears nothing but calls and cries cattle or sheep - deaf, dumb and blind, so they do not understand.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >muzzies back then already got bullied so hard they felt the need to seethe about it in their book

            LMAO

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >quran is plagiarized from dozens of other sources
            >allah goes full sperg when people point out this very fact
            Islam is truly a system made for monkeys.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            The Quran speak against the israelites and christians in relation to their falsehoods, and calls those.who reject Muhammad to be disbelievers. Can't compute your message.

            We also don't have a verse about 6 days.

            We use water, we don't just wipe. Convert to the ultimate technique.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >You believe that the israelite deity, some random dune coon, and a book he made up poofed out of nowhere from nothing for no reason and made the world in six days therefore you have to wipe your ass with your hand, anon. You don't have much room to talk about other people's religions being incoherent or silly.
            HOLY REKT

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Mohammed was a filthy pedophile who fricked Aisha aged 9 and thighed her aged 6.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          Don't bring that shit up. Anyone who's not historically illerate knows that marriage politics change with their eras. I'm talking with Muslim anon right now.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          Don't bring that shit up. Anyone who's not historically illerate knows that marriage politics change with their eras. I'm talking with Muslim anon right now.

          >ETERNAL, TIMELESS WORD OF GOD
          >MUHAMMAD WAS THE PERFECT MAN
          >(uhm actually him fricking a 9 year old is contextual)

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          Meti, is that you?

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      But using the Quran as a reference for opposing authorship is circular. The fact that Arabs are the most natural masters of Arabic poetry suggests the likelihood of authorship to be within Muhammad's circle. This by itself and the mastery of form in the Quran suggests Arab authorship, from which suggestions from your list show probability in descending likeliness, except perhaps Satan being more possibly top three, if we choose to believe in him, since he's reputedly long-lived.

      Your post was off topic but I'll allow it because it's incredibly interesting. Now what are the real miracles and proofs of the Quran being made by God?

      The byzantine emperor Leo claimed Ali and Salman wrote it

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        So who is, Muhammad, his cousin Ali who was 5 when his Prophethood began, or Salman the Persian?

        Or was is Satan, because.apparently it is devilish to speak against polytheism, corruption, arrogance, hypocrisy, female infanticide, being good to.your neighbors and pparents, forgiving those who do you harm and the like?

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Sounds about right, insofar as he codified the final version and the cuttings were left as hadiths

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        yes and salman was a parthian operative who was trying to create a psyop to puppet the moronic sand people of arabia

  2. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    I'm glad you at least brought the theology out. Most Muslims are legit idiots and their promotion of Islam comes down to social bonds... Which literally every religion has. Should people be grounding their belief in how much they like a group of people? It's a recipe for rejection once those bonds enter turmoil.

  3. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    evil murdering warlord

  4. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >muh ammad

  5. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Hold on I meant Double Predestination of course. Other kinds of Predestination are coherent.

  6. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >op asks “aye what was Muhammad said to look like based on primary sources?”
    >thread instantly devolves into religious shit flinging
    You people are shut annoying and childish doofuses

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >thread about dunecoon religion #46 that was invented for the purposes of sanctioning interethnic bandiry and blood feuds
      >anon gets surprised when it turns into dunecoons chimping out at eachother

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      My own research only found high certainty sources that are very vague

      Narrated Anas: Allah's Apostle was neither very tall nor short, neither absolutely white nor deep brown. His hair was neither curly nor lank. ... When Allah took him unto Him, there was scarcely twenty white hairs in his head and beard.
      Sahih Bukhari 4:56:748

      There are also sources like this but they're pretty suspect

      Al-Hasan ibn 'Ali said: He was taller than medium-sized, and shorter than the slender giant. His head was grand and impressive, with loosely curled hair. If his forelock became divided, he would part it. Otherwise his hair would not cross over his earlobes, and he would let it grow plentiful and long. He was bright of color, broad of forehead, endowed with arched eyebrows, perfect without being conjoined, with a vein between them that anger would cause to pulsate. The bridge of his nose was curved.
      Ash-Shama'il Al-Muhammadiyah 1/7

      He could pretty much look like any of thousands of handsome brown nobles today.

      That's not even counting dozens of weaker and conflicting sources. My guess is that detailed hadith and further sources on his looks were omitted and destroyed, or allowed to become muddled by conflicting sources. Now where the qualified foreign sources are, I'm not sure, but it's highly unlikely anyone recorded his facial details anyway. We don't even have contemporary face sources for people in history as important as Genghis Khan either.

  7. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Is depicting Muhammad's ear not haram?

  8. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >The idea that the Quran is plagarized falls the moment you ask what other book prior to it was memorized in such fashion? The hadith were man-made, and you see the effects of man on the transmission of what is man-made. Curiously the Quran didn't have that fate.
    i know youre just going to goalpost but chinas confucian book memorization tradition is literally that on steroids

    for the rest of your post youre clearly a midwit but youre also clearly better than your opposition. im thankful for the discussion at least

  9. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >The truth is simple, lies are compllicated
    A mentality like this is why Islamic counties will never catch up with the west

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Have you been to Oyish, tech was a
      mistake

      [...]
      >The idea that the Quran is plagarized falls the moment you ask what other book prior to it was memorized in such fashion? The hadith were man-made, and you see the effects of man on the transmission of what is man-made. Curiously the Quran didn't have that fate.
      i know youre just going to goalpost but chinas confucian book memorization tradition is literally that on steroids

      for the rest of your post youre clearly a midwit but youre also clearly better than your opposition. im thankful for the discussion at least

      I am not familiar, but I also don't see the.anons saying Muhammad copied chinese theology.

      Anonbro, I'm not sure what it is you are seeking. Are you on the fence about Islam or what?

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        >saying Muhammad copied chinese theology.
        ... no ones saying that

        [...]
        >The truth is simple, lies are compllicated
        A mentality like this is why Islamic counties will never catch up with the west

        while the truth is indeed simple hes working with a weird dichotomy

        >Muhammad wrote the Quran
        Wrong. God/Allah wrote the Quran. Muhammad only repeated it.

        which just means muhammad wrote it (in his head). im not disagreeing that allah could have given it to him

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          >muhammad wrote it (in his head). im not disagreeing that allah could have given it to him
          I think mainstream islam view is that the quran has always existed in perfection, before creation, with allah.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            doesnt stop him in either case from writing it in his head. even if he received it hed have to inscribe it in his head otw the memory would fade

            [...]
            >The idea that the Quran is plagarized falls the moment you ask what other book prior to it was memorized in such fashion?
            religious texts:
            .the torah
            .the vedas/upanishads
            others (disputed):
            .beowulf
            .odyssey
            .illiad

            yeah his wasnt a real defense.

  10. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Muhammad wrote the Quran
    Wrong. God/Allah wrote the Quran. Muhammad only repeated it.

  11. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Is the Quran really this bad? Even in the English language?

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Here I'll give a random quote:

      For each one are successive [angels] before and behind him who protect him by the decree of Allah . Indeed, Allah will not change the condition of a people until they change what is in themselves. And when Allah intends for a people ill, there is no repelling it. And there is not for them besides Him any patron.” Ayat 11

      This is as good as it gets. About half is people saying something simple like: 'fish were not loved by the prophet' + customary "for god is the best and the most merciful (why?)"

      And now if you criticise this stuff you die. Also if you join the religion by saying "Muhammed is the best" three times you can be killed for annoying other Muslims.

      There's a reason why the Arabs were looked down upon by the ancients.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Wow.

        False prophet Muhammed was a arrogant narcissist.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Why must you lie?

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          ... They distort words beyond their [proper] places [i.e., usages], saying, "If you are given this,2 take it; but if you are not given it, then beware." But he for whom Allāh intends fitnah3 - never will you possess [power to do] for him a thing against Allāh. Those are the ones for whom Allāh does not intend to purify their hearts. For them in this world is disgrace, and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment.
          5:41

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          where's the lie? help me out. I think anyone, muslim or not, hates a liar.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        I like how ayat 11 is written below.with no.surah, 13:11.

        The rest of your post causes brain clots pre-covid vaccination.

        Has anyone ever read the holy book Quran in both Arabic und English? What did you think of it honestly?

        Yes, I recommend if.you wish to know the truth.

        Wow.

        False prophet Muhammed was a arrogant narcissist.

        True Prophet Muhammad pbuh destroys arrogance (you) and narcisism (you again)

        where's the lie? help me out. I think anyone, muslim or not, hates a liar.

        In their hearts is disease, so Allah has increased their disease; and for them is a painful punishment because they [habitually] used to lie. [Quran, 2:10]

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          Your false prophet Mohammad is the embodiment of arrogance, narcissism and falsehood.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Not him, but to me Jesus and Muhammad represent two sides of the same coin of shit for goyim. Both were wretched human beings, but Jesus is a bit more evil since he is fundamentally deceptive, oversocialized, and comes in sheep's clothing. For this reason, Jesus worship is harder to deconstruct whereas anyone with decent intelligence can immediately tell Muhammad was a warmongering savage. Granted, I see the supposedly "kind" duplicitous megalomaniac man with ulterior political objectives as much worse. Neither of them most likely existed anyways.
            Interestingly, if you blur the two sides of shit you get something like M*ses.

            Regardless, every single Christcuck and Mudslime is best off dead, preferably tortured before breaking down and eating shit in hell. Every single Christcuck and Mudslime holy building and scripture should be burned and the heads of both priests and imams put on pikes. You are all israelites in your own shitty way, and your endless conflict was manufactured by them from the start.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Muhammad was a warmongering savage

            >Regardless, every single Christcuck and Mudslime is best off dead, preferably tortured before breaking down and eating shit in hell

            ok troony

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Kys, Abrahamic tard.
            Btw, Secular Liberalism is also a sect of Christcuckery.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            no argument
            ur a self contradictory moron

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            You worship an angry, jealous god's logocentric will and, unlike the Buddhists, you can't coexist with indigenous pagans because of "muh idolatry". Even East Asians still engage in ancestor worship and have certain animist practices like revering ancient trees, which both Christcucks and Mudslimes chopped down.
            You viewed the world as being created by a commandment and stained with "sin" believing that by spreading your trash tradition around the world you can "perfect" or "renovate" the world. From your metaphysics of progress we now are living in completely unnatural mechanized times that threatens to destroy us all. Your trash traditions were always a psyops to bring about Transhumanism. It's why transhumanism has a Messianic tone

            kys you sick infidel troony subhuman piece of shit. Cancer upon you and may you burn in hell forever.

            Slit your throat, Mudslime.

            Damn Muhammad and Allah. I place superior idols before Allah.
            Damn Christ and the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is a maleficent force of darkness where not a single positive thing has come.
            Damn Moses and Jacob. A bunch of narcissistic israelites.
            And most of all damn you.

            Go cut off some more heads while worshiping your god of death and destruction, insentient icchantika garbage.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >You worship
            ur moronic and assumed i worship at all which just shows how dumb ur perception is

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >In Mahayana Buddhism the icchantika (一闡提) is the most extremely deluded type of sentient being who lacks faith in the Buddha's teachings.
            Oh so you're Buddhist. Say no more, you just go on saying Om Mani Padme Hum till your brain goes numb and your teeth fall out

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            kys you sick infidel troony subhuman piece of shit. Cancer upon you and may you burn in hell forever.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          Man what a wretched soul is bred by Arab heresy.

  12. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Has anyone ever read the holy book Quran in both Arabic und English? What did you think of it honestly?

  13. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Muhammad was illiterate according to muslims themselves. I thought the quran was taught orally and then later the succesors killed one another to establish the "only" quran

  14. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >The idea that the Quran is plagarized falls the moment you ask what other book prior to it was memorized in such fashion?
    religious texts:
    .the torah
    .the vedas/upanishads
    others (disputed):
    .beowulf
    .odyssey
    .illiad

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