Most Muslims are apolitical and totally ok with secularism

Have you actually spoken to any Muslims both in the west and in the Muslim world? Majority of Muslims you find are totally ok with things like fashion, music, art, opera, western tv shows and culture, etc. There was a big deal made about Halloween in Saudi but you find the average Saudi citizen could really care less and is more interested in how his country is developing and advancing and keeping up with the heavyweights like China etc. All the outrage came from the UK and small groups of Salafists living outside the Kingdom.

Same thing you find in the UAE, Kuwait and other countries, Muslims are more interested in the progress of their own country and defending their own country rather than seeking global Islamic domination.

Muslims in the west are generally uninterested in politics as well outside of a few Palestine rallies, they all rap, smoke weed and dress in Gucci, Louis Vuitton, Moncler and Canada Goose. Muslims are not praying they are out stealing cars, robbing people and trying to be like their black thug rapper idols.

The only time you will see some semblance of religious practice from Muslims is the Friday prayer gatherings.

Why is it assumed that all Muslim laymen are against secularism?

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  1. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    You're either a complete moron or a filthy liar, look up pew surveys and opinion polls done on Muslim beliefs.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      The niqab was recently banned in Egypt. How many Egyptians on the ground care? Barely any. Most Saudis do not give a shit that Halloween happened, they will defend Mohammed bin Salman to the death. Muslim extremism and literalism barely even exists now outside a few tribal areas in Afghanistan and Pakistan. Even in Pakistan you find people are fiercely nationalistic and care much more about that than establishing a khliafa

      All the criticism of Muslim leaders and rulers is from a few disgruntled guys living in the West. The actual populations of these countries love and support their rulers

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        >The niqab was recently banned in Egypt. How many Egyptians on the ground care?
        Lol you have absolutely no clue what you're talking about. This is a contentious issue in Egypt, with most people's views and attitudes not reported/recorded because Egypt is a dictatorship. I assume you're an Englishman or an American, and look up English language news articles/polling agencies to get your info on the social issues in Egypt. I can do my best to explain the situation as I see it, but you have to tell me to.
        >t. Egyptian

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          I saw a Palestine protest in Egypt recently, many women not wearing hijab and men dressed western. Nobody was dressed like a Salafi. Seems there are more Salafis in London and Birmingham now than Egypt.

          I was shocked also when I went on twitter and saw so many Muslim girls based in countries like Algeria, Iraq, Bahrain, Tunisia, etc even Saudi and they were not observing hijab, faces caked in makeup, twerking and most of the replies to these women in Arabic are just laughing about it and treating it like it's normal. 5 years ago I would have assumed every one of those girls was an Iranian Shia diaspora girl but now you find these girls are from Lebanon, Jordan, Libya, Morocco and other countries.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Most Saudis do not give a shit that Halloween happened, they will defend Mohammed bin Salman to the death.
        They can't say SHIT about him or bad things will happen.

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          >They can't say SHIT about him or bad things will happen.
          Based. My country my rules.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            Well yeah, but you don't have a choice lol. But that's okay. You can enjoy all the consumption as long as you keep your trap shut on social media.

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          Then how come even Saudi diaspora speak highly of him? You see Saudis at Speakers Corner in London cursing out Ikhwanis for attacking Bin Salman. These Saudis live in London so what do they have invested in defending him yet they still call him the best leader anyone could ever want. Any tweet about Bin Salman bringing entertainment to the Kingdom gets thousands of likes from Saudi civilians. Nobody is condemning it.

          Why doesn't Haqiqatjou have lots of Saudi followers who have fled the kingdom saying "you are so right brother he is liberalizing the country". If they cared about this liberalizing they would say something and they would support Daniel but all Saudis oppose him

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Any tweet about Bin Salman bringing entertainment to the Kingdom gets thousands of likes from Saudi civilians.
            I'm sure he has many superstar fans, but I have my sources in the Kingdom too and what I hear is if you talk shit about MBS on the internet then the Saudi government will frick you up and they regularly jail and disappear anyone who even ushers a peep against any policy they decide. They've become much more extremely anal about what people say and something read the wrong way no matter how banal it is can destroy your life and make you disappear. So in a weird sense the government is blowing the doors open wide to entertainment and sports and stuff, it's much more socially liberal than, say, 2015. It's Dubai minus the alcohol and sex clubs, but there are dance parties, massive raves, sports events, both sexes participating in everything, etc. and the days of the religious police is well and truly gone and hasn't been the case for eight years. But it's also MUCH more politically oppressive than it used to be.

            You used to be able to outright criticize the government (without calling for its overthrow) and the government wouldn't care unless you physically did something. This is what I hear anyways.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        Lmao. Ye, Egypt the famously non-conservative nation which never blames it's problems on Israel, and is famously tolerant.
        Any Muslim who doesn't denounce the contents of their book is an extremist, because it preaches extremist things. Simple.
        Take a walk around Cairo if you want to see your almighty peaceful Islam in practice. This city is the embodiment of what their ideology is - moronation where nobody takes responsibility for anything, and who think work = wishing on a star 5 times a day.

        • 6 months ago
          Egyptian

          >blames it's problems on Israel
          I challenge you to provide any evidence of this. Of all the propaganda the Egyptian state produced, Israel is not even on the list.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      City realtor here
      Most first time homebuyers are traditional Muslims (won’t let wife, in burka, shake hands; makes her sit in the backseat; entire families go on the loan), but the second-generation children are repressed westerners. By the third generation, Islam will be quite nominal, but in a similar fashion as secular Christianity. Same is true for Indians.

      t. Sheltered midwestern midwit
      It’s a two way street; you’ll always have zealots and seculars

  2. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Muslims are prosecularism, because they coooonsooome Gucci?

    Ok buddy.

  3. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, western Muslims give Islam a bad reputation, their behaviour is horrific for dawah and they should be ashamed of themselves.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      >western Muslims give Islam a bad reputation
      Yeah because muslims countries are so great, obviously.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        They're not perfect but Western Muslims are the absolute worst.

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          >They're not perfect
          You mean picrel is the least problematic thing about them.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            Fried chicken has been a disaster for Arabs.

  4. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    homie probably knows a couple of Turks and thinks the average mudslime is like that.

  5. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    >outside of a few Palestine rallies
    supporting terrorism and rape of women and children is ok to the majority of them
    Imagine if the whole US stood in rallies to free OKC bomber or EU stood in rallies to free Breivik.
    The fact that they do that now is a huge red flag about their true beliefs.
    Remember, it's allowed in muslim religion to lie and deceive the kafirs

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      >supporting terrorism and rape of women and children is ok to the majority of them
      This is primarily a Western phenomenon. There is enormous support in Western countries, especially the US, for terrorism and mass murder. Even when there's criticism of American/British atrocities against foreign people's, it's always framed in a way highlights American/British loss, and excludes the suffering of the victims. It's always "We lost trillions of dollars, and thousands of soldiers invading Iraq", not "we butchered hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians, displaced millions, and permanently destroyed Iraqi society".

  6. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Why is it assumed that all Muslim laymen are against secularism?
    Distinction between religion and culture is a western myth.

  7. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    The concept of a "secular muslim" is in itself a form of taqiyya, a complete fabrication perpetrated in order to convince westerners to let them into their countries so that they can then take over and enact sharia wherever they settle, without exception. Every single so-called "secular muslim" is a ticking time bomb (both literally and figuratively) that puts on the mask of religious ambivalence as a form of warfare.

  8. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    OP is a homosexual

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