Jehovah's Witnesses seem to be the closest to 1st century Christianity. >no idols

Jehovah's Witnesses seem to be the closest to 1st century Christianity

>no idols
>don't go to war or get involved in politics
>shun unrepentant sinners
>use God's name
>evangelize to others
>don't use titles like 'pope' or 'nun'
>reject pagan beliefs like hell and birthdays

No other religion compares

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  1. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Jehovah's Witnesses seem to be the closest to Arianism
    FTFY
    You will never be a real Christian.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      We follow the teachings and example of Jesus Christ and honor him as our Savior and as the Son of God. (Matthew 20:28; Acts 5:31)

      Thus, we are Christians !

      >explicitly deny Christ's divinity
      >bunch of other nonsense
      >including "personal revelation" to the founder

      >explicitly deny Christ's divinity

      We believe in the divinity of Jesus though

      We just don't believe he is Almighty God

      “My Father is greater than I [Jesus].”—John 14:28.

      “I [Jesus] ascend unto my Father, and your Father, and to my God, and your God.”—John 20:17.

      “To us there is but one God, the Father.”—1 Corinthians 8:6.

      “Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.”—1 Peter 1:3.

      >bunch of other nonsense

      Like what ?

      >including "personal revelation" to the founder

      Why wouldn't Jesus receive personnal revelation from God ?

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        How do you respond to:
        John 10:30
        >I and the Father are one.

        This belief of Jesus was what got him crucified after all...

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          When Jesus said, "I and the Father are one," he did not mean that they were actually "one substance", or "one God", or co-equal and co-eternal, but rather that he and the Father have a "unity of purpose".
          The context indicates that Jesus was saying that they were "one" in pastoral work. The point being that the Father and the Son were united in the divine work of saving the 'sheep'.

          See John 17:21 wherein Jesus prayed regarding his disciples: "That they may all be one, as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they may be in us," adding "that they may be one even as we are one".
          The same Greek word (hen) for "one" throughout John 17 indicates that Jesus did not expect for his followers to literally become a single Being, or "one in substance", with each other, or with God, and therefore that Jesus also did not expect his hearers to think that he and God the Father were one entity either.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            So you're saying Jesus Christ is fundamentally misunderstood by most Christians because he was an ambiguous communicator and his message went over most of their heads?

            Sounds about right. These cult leaders bring it on themselves though by making their movement all about themselves in the first place anyway.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >So you're saying Jesus Christ is fundamentally misunderstood by most Christians because he was an ambiguous communicator and his message went over most of their heads?

            There's nothing ambiguous about Jesus' teachings. Jesus never claimed to be on the same level as Almighty God. He said: “The Father is greater than I am.”—John 14:28.

            >Sounds about right. These cult leaders bring it on themselves though by making their movement all about themselves in the first place anyway.

            JWs are the protagonists of real life.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Jesus never claimed to be on the same level as Almighty God
            Even if he didn't intend it, claiming that he and God are "one" makes one immediately assume (as most Christians do) he meant that literally. Considering he was executed FOR claiming to be a living incarnation of the God of the israelites, that's a pretty important miscommunication.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            I disagree ! In verses 10, 12, 24 and 28, Jesus makes a clear distinction between him and God. Thus, Jesus saying he is in union with his Father is no moe mysterious or metaphysical than his saying that he is in union with his disciples. It is, after all, a unity in spirit. (Ephesians 4:3)

            As for why the israelites wanted to kill Jesus, it's because referred to himself as the Son of God and made statements that some israeli leaders considered blasphemous. They believed that he was making himself equal to God, which was seen as a violation of their religious beliefs.
            Why did the israelites make this leap from "Son of God" to "equal to God" ? Because they were taking it literally to mean that he was of the same race as God, like a human father and human son are both human, or one Greek god is of the same race as another, but Jesus never claimed such. They were just looking for a pretext against Jesus, and this one was shaky at best.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Why is your book more believable than mine?
        Your book displays (ticked boxes means mine does too).
        Supernatural guys (x)
        A god or more (x)
        Satan (x)
        Blood is important (x)
        Salvation is the cornerstone of the faith (x)
        A son of god (x)

        But mine has key advantages:
        Rebirth, so more than one try
        Vampires are real (you're talking to one).

        Will you not welcome the Prince of Vampires when he is born?

        We're druids btw. Gnostic Druidry.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          Where we can check biblical claims against verifiable truth, the Bible proves itself ACCURATE.
          History, archaeology, science, and philosophy have shown Scripture to be factual and consistent ! This correspondence between various forms of evidence is a major advantage the Bible has over the scriptures of any other faith system.

          In many cases, it has been the deciding factor in converting skeptics and nonbelievers to faith in Jehovah.

          More so than with any other religious text, we have assurance that the Bible is true. The combination of internal consistency, connection to evidence, and relevance to our experience makes the Bible unique among books.

          True, like many religious works, the Bible claims to be true (2 Timothy 3:16). But unlike any other religious work, the Bible emphatically supports that assertion.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            But have you read and verified the corpus of gnostic Druidry?
            Picrel, vampirologist speaking there, vampires are real

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        >We believe in the divinity of Jesus
        >We just don't believe he's God

        I'm a Marxist, I just don't believe in historical materialism or social classes

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        so you're polytheists? Why not just worship Zeus too at that point?

  2. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >explicitly deny Christ's divinity
    >bunch of other nonsense
    >including "personal revelation" to the founder

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >explicitly deny Christ's divinity
      They know like Muslims that Jesus is just a Prophet

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        We don't believe Jesus is just a prophet. He is the only-begotten Son of God.

        [...]
        He spoke it on God's behalf, as you now continue to do, even after admiting he was wrong and changing it. By the definition you, not I, provided, this is false prophecy.

        >Armageddon may begin next spring, yet it is purely speculation to attempt to say just when."

        He changed his dates multiples times in attempt to cope, admitting he was wrong. That's false prophecy. And you continue to echo false prophecy, which is even worse.

        Adjustments in our understanding don't surprise or disturb us. Ancient worshippers of God also had mistaken ideas and expectations and needed to adjust their viewpoint.

        Moses offered himself as a deliverer for the nation of Israel 40 years ahead of God’s timetable.—Acts 7:23-25, 30, 35.

        The apostles failed to understand the prophecy that foretold the Messiah’s death and resurrection.—Isaiah 53:8-12; Matthew 16:21-23.

        Some early Christians had wrong ideas about the timing of “the day of Jehovah.”—2 Thessalonians 2:1, 2.

        God later corrected their misunderstandings, and we pray that he will continue doing the same for us.—James 1:5.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          "Some of us were quite strongly convinced that the Harvest would be ended by now, but our expectations must not be allowed to weigh anything as against the facts [...] We see no reason for doubting, therefore, that the Times of the Gentiles ended in October 1914; and that a few more years will witness their utter collapse and the full establishment of God's Kingdom in the hands of Messiah."

          plus

          "We see no reason for changing the figures—nor could we change them if we would, They are, we believe, God's dates, not ours. But bear in mind that the end of 1914 is not the date for the beginning, but for the end of the time of the trouble.[19"

          satisfactorily meets the definition

          "However, the prophet who presumes to speak in my name a word that I have not commanded him to speak......that prophet must die.,,when the prophet speaks in the name of Jehovah and the word does not occur or come true, that is the word that Jehovah did not speak."

          They are false prophets. They appointed elders who later became governing body members. It is a legacy of false teaching, and a branch of fruit gone bad. A sickly tree. It must be cut off.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            We do believe that the Gentile times ended in 1914 and that the End is very soon, what is the problem ?

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            You predicted a thing, it didn't happen, you kept changing the date, it still didn't happen, you coped to understand it as something else, then continued to try and try again. You claimed these numbers were gods numbers.

            By the definition you provided, it's false prophecy.

            And so you were lead by false prophets, proven false prophets by the biblical definition. And those false prophets have their legacy in the people who were appointed to leadership.

            And so you are still lead by the false.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >"Some of us were quite strongly convinced that the Harvest would be ended by now, but our expectations must not be allowed to weigh anything as against the facts [...] We see no reason for doubting, therefore, that the Times of the Gentiles ended in October 1914; and that a few more years will witness their utter collapse and the full establishment of God's Kingdom in the hands of Messiah."

            We believe all of these, how can iit be a false prophecy if it's true?

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            A few more years is not 100. And also, we've been over the fact that leadership later said it would happen in the lives of the WW2 generation, also false.

            It's a legacy of false prophecy. And they are unrepentant, and keep trying, because they are false prophets appointed by false prophets. I'm sure they will try again.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >A few more years is not 100.

            It's relatively a few years compared to when Jesus said it would happen

            >And also, we've been over the fact that leadership later said it would happen in the lives of the WW2 generation, also false.

            Jehovah's Witnesses have always worked with the established definitions of “generation” provided by Greek lexicographers such as found in the BDAG Greek lexicon. The current JW understanding of 'generation' - and all past understandings - fit well within the definitions found in Greek lexicons.

            Now lexicons give about half a dozen definitions for the word "generation." So Witnesses have used several of these standard definitions according to what they saw happening in the world around them

            >It's a legacy of false prophecy. And they are unrepentant, and keep trying, because they are false prophets appointed by false prophets. I'm sure they will try again

            You connect the word “prophet” with predictions of the future. Though prophets in the Bible usually proclaimed predictions about the future, the Scriptural definition of a prophet is wider: a prophet is a person who receives specific messages from God by supernatural means (such as visions, dreams, the visit of an angel) and proclaims those messages.

            Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that miraculous gifts, including the gift of prophecy, dissappeared after the days of the apostles.

            Whenever I argue with protestants, Catholics, Orthodox here....they use their own words and are willing to concede a point if they are ring about something.

            This troony just spams links and gives you the equivalent of, "nuh uh" when they lose a debate.

            Talking to Jehovah's False Witnesses will quickly bring one to understand the true difference between a faith and a cult.

            Most other religions have proved that they will not change doctrines such as the Trinity, the immortal soul, and hell fire even though their own scholars admit these beliefs are not taught in Scripture. In contrast, Jehovah's Witnesses have always been willing to change any belief in order to harmonize better with increased knowledge of Scriptural teaching.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            I'm not bringing anything else in. I'm solely working off what you provided. And under the definition of a false prophet you provided, you are a body governed by false prophets.

            The belief was unequivocal, based on his study of the Bible and the Great Pyramid, and satisfied only upon the establishment of an earthly paradise. Russell remarked that altering the prophecy by even one year would destroy the perfect symmetry of its biblical chronology.[16] In the second book of his Studies in the Scriptures series he described it as "an established truth that the final end of the kingdoms of this world, and the full establishment of the Kingdom of God, will be accomplished at the end of A.D. 1914".[17] The result, he wrote, was that "all present governments will be overthrown and dissolved",[17] along with the destruction of "what God calls Babylon, and what men call Christendom".[18] In an 1894 Watch Tower, responding to readers who questioned whether—because of recent political upheavals—the world could last until 1914, he wrote:

            This, apparently coming from God. He said it was God's numbers, not his. That is what damns him.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Wow, this is so very wrong.

            The measurements were taken by British astronomer Piazzi Smyth.

            Russell didn’t arrive to the date of 1914 based on these measurements; he thought they just corroborated what he had found in the Bible.

            We base our beliefs about the significance of 1914 on biblical chronology whoch tells us that the destruction of Jerusalem and the beginning of the Babylonian captivity both occurred in 607 BCE.

            Daniel chapter 4 prophesied a period of 2,520 years starting with 607 BCE and ending at 1914 CE.

            We equate this period with the "Gentile Times" or "the appointed times of the nations" (Luke 21:24).

            When the Babylonians conquered Jerusalem, the line of kings descended from David was interrupted, and that God's throne was "trampled on" from then until Jesus began ruling in 1914.

            This is confirmed by world events since 1914, including wars, famine, earthquakes and increasing lawlessness, which are fulfillments of the "sign" of Christ's presence.

            Our preaching is also part of that sign (Matthew 24:14).

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            You continue to argue that they were only acting as interpreters of scripture, THAT is very wrong. They admit they were acting as prophets.

            >Yes. The Society states this explicitly when it says: "So, does Jehovah have a prophet to help...and to declare things to come? These questions can be answered in the affirmative. Who is this prophet?...This 'prophet' was not one man, but was a body of men and women...known...as International Bible Students. Today they are known as Jehovah's Christian Witnesses..." It should be noted that even from its earliest beginnings the Society considered itself to be a true prophet of God. The Society does not expect others to just trust that it is a true prophet: "Of course, it is easy to say that this group acts as a 'prophet' of God. It is another thing to prove it. The only way that this can be done is to review the record. What does it show?" Watchtower, April 1, 1972

            Self admitted prophets, claiming to speak on behalf of god, got it wrong, false prophets.

            You can now concede the point. All of your defense have been torn down. I've showed you that they do claim to be prophets, that they did claim to be speaking on gods behalf and not their own, that they did get it wrong, and by your own definition, are false prophets.

            The only thing left to understand is that this implies that every elder (who would later on become part of the governing body) is tainted by this. The whole thing must be erased and reformed to be legitimate.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Do you not notice the use of quotation marks ? They show that a different meaning for the word "prophet" is intended here

            If you check the article, you can notice that we are compared with “prophets” (in inverted commas, mind you) metaphorically, because we publicly proclaim God’s message. Only that that message is the one in the Bible, not a personal divine revelation.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Why should anyone take you seriously? Your movement began with a misunderstanding of the scriptures, and continued to make false predictions based upon what you admit are misunderstandings of the scriptures up until very recently, "a few years".

            If anyone is to look for guidance, they can surely find a better source than a group so frequently and publicly mistaken.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Why should anyone take you seriously?

            Because JWs are directed by holy spirit. When I say they say "directed by holy spirit", I mean it in the sense of Matthew 4:1, Acts 8:39 or Romans 8:14, to be led or directed, as if by being pointed in a direction, not being told what to do or what to say.

            The issue that causes confusion for some is that holy spirit is not a feeling, as they may expect. It is an actuating force.
            Therefore, unless it speaks by a person, there is no way to know that they have been moved by holy spirit. There is no test by which we may know, except by the results. And those are the results about which we speak of here:

            https://www.jw.org/en/library/books/good-news-from-god/recognize-true-worshippers/

            Thus, in one sense they are not "inspired" with messages from God, but they may still be "inspired" to do the will of God by being moved by holy spirit. They simply make a distinction between the limited usage of "inspired" toward receiving messages from God, and choose a different wording, namely "directed by holy spirit" to express its influence on their actions.

            It does not prevent them from making mistakes or cause them to keep others from making mistakes. It only motivates them to do God's unspoken will, but they cannot identify when that is until results become evident.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yes. In its own literature it reveals its attitude toward such activities: "True, there have been those in times past who predicted an 'end to the world,' even announcing a specific date. Some have gathered groups of people with them and fled to the hills or withdrawn into their houses waiting for the end. Yet, nothing happened. The 'end' did not come. They were guilty of false prophesying. Why? What was missing?

            "Missing was the full measure of evidence required in fulfillment of Bible prophecy. Missing from such people were God's truths and the evidence that he was guiding and using them."

            Awake, Oct. 8, 1968, p.23

            JWs admitting the evets of the 20's were false prophecy, contrary to what you say.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Actually, with regard to 1925 it was said:
            "The year 1925 is here. With great expectation Christians have looked forward to this year. Many have confidently expected that all members of the body of Christ will be changed to heavenly glory during this year. This may be accomplished. It may not be. In his own due time God will accomplish his purposes concerning his people. Christians should not be so deeply concerned about what may transpire this year." (The Watch Tower, January 1, 1925, page 3)

            I don't see any false prophecy here

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            It's just an unwinnable battle friend. We could do this forever. Some people have 50 pages of JW false prophecies up on the web. I understand you are a trained JW apologist and will never concede such an obvious point, but I think it has been demonstrated satisfactorily to the rest of the people who might read your thread.

            I hope someday you will abandon the legacy of false prophecy that is the JWs. Good day to you.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Some people have 50 pages of JW false prophecies up on the web

            It seems that the standard technique of critics is to present a list of alleged “false prophecies”. There are dozens of such lists on the Internet and the longer the better. These take the form of quotations from The Watchtower and other JW publications.

            Whereas the majority of the quotes themselves are accurate, the context in which they were presented - both the immediate context of the printed page and the historical context - is omitted.
            Selective quotations ensure that anything that gives the impression of certainty is usually included, whereas any cautionary statements are omitted.

  3. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >JWs are the real christians

    Kek. Yeah people take them seriously up until they find out their council made pronouncements about who is and isn't getting into heaven, attaching specific numbers to how all that is going to work. And that they failed to predict the end of the world like 5 times.

    They assume the same powers of pronouncement as the catholic church, they go further in fact, and yet they can't even remotely begin to claim apostolic succession.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Kek. Yeah people take them seriously up until they find out their council made pronouncements about who is and isn't getting into heaven

      This isn't accurate at all. Becoming an anointed person is not something that is done by voting or selection. Instead, the anointed one knows directly from God that he or she has been chosen.

      >attaching specific numbers to how all that is going to work.

      The Bible says a relatively small number of people—144,000—will be resurrected to life in heaven to rule with Jesus in the Kingdom.

      >And that they failed to predict the end of the world like 5 times.

      We are not for a moment denying that the publications - in particular the earlier ones - have at times published information that was speculative in nature and turned out to be mistaken.
      But the fact is that, for each of the dates commonly touted by critics as ‘false prophecies’ (1874, 1914, 1925, 1975), Watch Tower publications had published cautionary statements to the effect that it was by no means certain what would happen.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        >The Bible says a relatively small number of people—144,000—will be resurrected to life in heaven to rule with Jesus in the Kingdom.
        The Bible makes use of lots of symbolically big numbers.

        Regardless, that's not the point. The point against the JWs is that they have a church heirchy that makes rulings about this, which they have no right to. Not even the pope, who is often seen as going way overboard on the power of humans in spiritual matters, claims to know who is and isn't in heaven.

        The JWs are happy to make rulings on that issue, which they have no basis for under any circumstances. They can't even use the lame catholic excuse of unbroken succession.

        They're pretty transparently not paleo-Christian from that fact alone.

        >(1874, 1914, 1925, 1975)
        Prophecy is part of the fruits equation, and the fruits are spoiled.

        >They assume the same powers of pronouncement as the catholic church, they go further in fact, and yet they can't even remotely begin to claim apostolic succession.

        Jehovah’s Witnesses are not expected to believe in the governing body of Jehovah’s Witnesses, but in the Bible. And we are not supossed to follow the GB but Jesus.

        I believe in the Bible and believe that Jehovah’s Witnesses’ interpretation of the Bible is by far the most accurate and reasonable.

        That is what makes me think that Jehovah’s Witnesses is the true religion.

        And I respect the authority of the group of elders that oversee our worldwide congregation as a result of my belief in the Bible.

        That doesn’t mean that I believe Jehovah’s Witnesses have the absolute truth. The absolute truth is God’s Word (John 17:17), and Jehovah’s Witnesses offer the best explanation in my view; but it is subject to improvement, instead of being bound to a creed.

        Precisely because the truth is so important to us, we are willing to admit some times that we were wrong on certain point and change. But the truth, the message of the Bible, does not change.

        I hope this helps.

        >I believe in the Bible and believe that Jehovah’s Witnesses’ interpretation of the Bible is by far the most accurate and reasonable.

        If you want to just take some of the JW interpretations but not become a JW fair play to you. But if you're going to actually become a JW and listen to their leadership, you're on the wrong path. Becoming a JW, verses just listening to what they have to say on some matters, is a mistake.

        I would also stress caution in taking them too seriously. For example on the web the spam the importance of "Jehovah", when in fact this too is a Latinization, making them no better or closer to the real biblical name of God than anyone else. But JWs think this is the most important thing in the world, when it's clearly wrong to anyone who looks into the matter for 15 minutes, consulting whichever sources they please.

        And you certainly shouldn't take anything seriously written from them during the times of all the false prophecy.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          >The Bible makes use of lots of symbolically big numbers.

          Although Revelation contains symbolic numbers, some of the numbers it uses are literal !

          Revelation 7:4 records “the number of those who were sealed [or, confirmed for life in heaven], 144,000.”
          In the immediate context of this verse, a second group is contrasted: “a great crowd, which no man was able to number.” Those of the “great crowd” also receive salvation from God. (Revelation 7:9, 10)

          If the number 144,000 were symbolic, referring instead to a group without number, then the contrast between the two groups would be lost !

          >Regardless, that's not the point. The point against the JWs is that they have a church heirchy that makes rulings about this, which they have no right to. Not even the pope, who is often seen as going way overboard on the power of humans in spiritual matters, claims to know who is and isn't in heaven.

          ????

          Again, the anointed one knows directly from God that he or she has been chosen. Nobody can tell another person whether or not they are anointed. Only the anointed person knows. You are arguing against something I don't even believe in ??

          >The JWs are happy to make rulings on that issue, which they have no basis for under any circumstances. They can't even use the lame catholic excuse of unbroken succession.

          JWs do not set “rules”. We are taught to follow what to Bible says and live by he Bible’s moral and religious codes that apply to Christians.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Their rulings on earthly vs heavenly paradise are things which no one would come to on their own. It's a "man made doctrine", something which they supposedly hate. If you want to read it literally then yes actually only 144,000 make it in. But there is nothing in there to support the idea that there is some sort of distinction for priests who actually get to go up to heaven vs those who stay down hear and live forever. That's made up. You don't get that out of the bible.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            You are incorrect.

            God selects a limited number of faithful Christians who, after their death, will be resurrected to life in heaven. (1 Peter 1:3, 4)

            They will serve alongside Jesus as KINGS and PRIESTS for 1,000 years. (Revelation 5:9, 10; 20:6) They will form the “new heavens,” that will rule over the “new earth"

            The Bible indicates that 144,000 people will be resurrected to heavenly life. (Revelation 7:4)

            God promises everlasting life on EARTH for MOST good people.—Psalm 37:11, 29, 34.

            Jesus said: “No man has ascended into heaven.” (John 3:13) He thus showed that good people who died before him, such as Abraham, Moses, Job, and David, did not go to heaven. (Acts 2:29, 34) Instead, they had the hope of being resurrected to life on earth.—Job 14:13-15.

            The resurrection to heavenly life is called “the first resurrection.” (Revelation 20:6) This indicates that there will be another resurrection. It will be an EARTHLY one.

            >We believe in the divinity of Jesus
            >We just don't believe he's God

            I'm a Marxist, I just don't believe in historical materialism or social classes

            What do you think about this ?:

            https://www.jw.org/en/library/series/more-topics/corrupt-politicians-what-gods-kingdom-will-do/

            This article just came out, it might interest you.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Like I said, a derived doctrine, stitched together using various verses, as derived and crafted by human hands as the trinity, which JWs despise.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Like I said, a derived doctrine, stitched together using various verses

            Gee it's almost as if...the Bible interpretes itself or something !

            If you were really not bond to obey the JW elders you'd be an independent non denominational and not obey a church hierarchy which is essentially Catholicism but replacing the pope with a board of directors

            We obey the Bible, and elders are here to ensure that the Bible is obeyed. Jesus gave them the responsibility to oversee the congregation of Jehovah's worshippers, they are accountable to God for the way they treat his sheep.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            JW elders are not accountable to anything, yes yes God will punish then in hell indeed, but on earth they are the ultimate authority over their jw subjects who are to obey their rulings and commands when it comes to faith.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Their only authority is to take care of our spirituality through the Scriptures.

            If an elder were to tell me to paint my house blue, he would have no authority over this.

            So no, they are not "the ultimate authority over their jw subjects who are to obey their rulings and commands". Elders are subject to the Bible, and they cannot go beyond it.

            Moreover, we consider elders as friends and family. We talk, we do sports, we go to the movies.

            I was invited to one of my elder's place for a barbecue two weeks ago.

            The organization is not ass gloomy as you make it look like inside your mind.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Neither would the pope. We all agree they are spiritual leaders. Spiritual leaders tainted by a long legacy of false prophecy. The pope is also subject to the bible. But like the pope, they go outside their warrant by stitching together passages out of context to create new, unbiblical doctrines.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Oh one nice elder (who can in fact lord over you in matters of faith you are not to disagree with him) made you a hamburger, that really means nothing.
            You can treat them as friends all you want but ultimately in JW they are your superiors in faith, go ahead and voice openly a disbelief in any JW practice, you will not be debates like an old rabbi in the temple or whatever, you'll be told to fall back o line because they are the authority of faith and you are not.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Oh one nice elder

            Being nice is required to be an elder

            >who can in fact lord over you

            They cannot, in fact. They constantly receive reminders and directives so as NOT to lord it over the others. For example, this recent Watchtower:

            https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/watchtower-study-june-2023/Elders-Learn-From-Gideons-Example/

            You keep arguing against things that are not JW beliefs or practices and I find it bizarre

            >in matters of faith you are not to disagree with him

            But you can disagree with an elder. What you can't, however, is cause division and disunity inside God's congregation

            We do not want such people in our midst and they are welcome to leave.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >You can treat them as friends all you want but ultimately in JW they are your superiors in faith,

            But hey are not ???

            Every week, the elders preside over the congregation meetings in order to strengthen our faith. (Acts 15:32) These devoted men also take the lead in the evangelizing activity, working with us and training us in all features of the ministry.

            >go ahead and voice openly a disbelief in any JW practice, you will not be debates like an old rabbi in the temple or whatever, you'll be told to fall back o line because they are the authority of faith and you are not.

            Again, if one becomes a baptized Witness of Jehovah, but disagrees with a particular area, that in itself is not a problem.

            The point at which it becomes a problem is when the individual continues to share his disagreement with other members of the congregation with the intent of sowing dissent. Just like murmuring, gossip, and disagreements, dissent is unhealthy for the congregation, as it would be for any organization.

            >An elder is simply a person who is valued for wisdom and holds a position of responsibility, they are our brothers and in no way are superior to others.
            They are there to police JWs behavior and enforce doctrine above all else

            This is not at all what happens.

            They care for us and watch over us. The elders guide and help to protect the congregation spiritually. Aware that God has entrusted them with this important role, the elders do not dominate his people, but rather, they contribute to our well-being and joy. (2 Corinthians 1:24)

            Just as a shepherd diligently cares for each one of his sheep, the elders try to get to know every member of the congregation individually.—Proverbs 27:23.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            No one ever came to that conclusion prior to the elders deciding that, same as the trinity. Actually, they came to the trinity earlier.

            A man made doctrine, constructed by linking together lots of passages in different contexts. You can argue for anything if you do that. If it was as you say it would have been plainly stated. It wasn't. Because a group of elders made it up.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            The Bible forms a harmonious whole; all the verses fit together, and that's where we derive its interpretation. One passage must be read in the light of another verse.

            Neither would the pope. We all agree they are spiritual leaders. Spiritual leaders tainted by a long legacy of false prophecy. The pope is also subject to the bible. But like the pope, they go outside their warrant by stitching together passages out of context to create new, unbiblical doctrines.

            Solomon declared: “But the path of the righteous ones is like the bright light that is getting lighter and lighter until the day is firmly established.” (Proverbs 4:18)

            The truth gradually becomes clearer to us as we persist in studying the Scriptures patiently and diligently.

            The meaning or significance of Bible prophecies also unfolds progressively. Daniel's prophecy clearly said that true knowledge would "increase" during the time of the end (Daniel 12:4). Only at "the conclusion of the system of things" would "the righteous ones would then shine as brightly as the sun" (Matthew13:24- 30, 36-43; 24:45-47; Acts 3:20- 21).

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            see

            Unfortunately, that is false.

            >""With the appearance of the book Life Everlasting-in Freedom of the Sons of God, and its comments as to how appropriate it would be for the millennial reign of Christ to parallel the seventh millennium of man's existence, considerable expectation was aroused regarding the year 1975. ... Unfortunately, however, along with such cautionary information, there were other statements published that implied that such realization of hopes by that year was more of a probability than a mere possibility." Watchtower 1980 Mar 15 p.17"

            It was also cited by another JW in this very thread, I wasn't the one who brought up that date.

            >Norway
            ... There was a steady increase in publishers from the mid-1960's till the mid-1970's. But expectations regarding the year 1975 proved to be a test of faith for some brothers. When the great tribulation did not come in 1975, a few left the organization; and between 1976 and 1980, there was a slight decrease in publishers." 2012 Yearbook of Jehovah's Witnesses pp.142-143

            >"Philippines
            ... However, there were many who stopped serving Jehovah when the present system of things did not end in 1975." 2003 Yearbook of Jehovah's Witnesses pp.162-163

            >In 1967, Watchtower wrote that "sudden death" was "only a few short years ahead of us" and to come within the generation that had seen both world wars.

            "the danger of sudden death is staring you in the face. ... That is exactly the case with the warning that we speak of here, and there are reasons why it can truly be said to be the most urgent warning ever given. ... It is to come within the generation that has already seen two world wars and it is only a few short years ahead of us." Watchtower 1967 Apr 15 pp.243-244

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            If you were really not bond to obey the JW elders you'd be an independent non denominational and not obey a church hierarchy which is essentially Catholicism but replacing the pope with a board of directors

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            this guy is correct

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Except not, since the Christian congregation got its start, qualified overseers are appointed “to shepherd the congregation of God.” (Acts 20:28)

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            So if a congregation can have supreme elders with moral and faith authority over the faithful what's the problem with the papacy again?

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            The pope rules by decree, he is not bound by Scriptures. For catholics, tradition is as important as the Holy Scriptures. Which is not what we believe.

            An elder is simply a person who is valued for wisdom and holds a position of responsibility, they are our brothers and in no way are superior to others.

            False prophecy discredits the qualified bit. If you were to dissolve the JWs and all prior rules completely, then reform, I would take you seriously. But with you recommitting the same mistakes as recently as the 70s, there is a reformation that needs to take place. All of it has to go.

            There has never been a false prophecy in the 70s contrary to what you read on anti-JW websites.

            With regard to 1975:
            "‘What about the year 1975? What is it going to mean, dear friends?’ asked Brother Franz. ‘Does it mean that Armageddon is going to be finished, with Satan bound, by 1975? It could! It could! All things are possible with God. Does it mean that Babylon the Great is going to go down by 1975? It could. Does it mean that the attack of Gog of Magog is going to be made on Jehovah’s witnesses to wipe them out, then Gog himself will be put out of action? It could. But we are not saying. All things are possible with God. But we are not saying. And don’t any of you be specific in saying anything that is going to happen between now and 1975." (The Watchtower, 15 October 1966, page 631)

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >An elder is simply a person who is valued for wisdom and holds a position of responsibility, they are our brothers and in no way are superior to others.
            They are there to police JWs behavior and enforce doctrine above all else

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Unfortunately, that is false.

            >""With the appearance of the book Life Everlasting-in Freedom of the Sons of God, and its comments as to how appropriate it would be for the millennial reign of Christ to parallel the seventh millennium of man's existence, considerable expectation was aroused regarding the year 1975. ... Unfortunately, however, along with such cautionary information, there were other statements published that implied that such realization of hopes by that year was more of a probability than a mere possibility." Watchtower 1980 Mar 15 p.17"

            It was also cited by another JW in this very thread, I wasn't the one who brought up that date.

            >Norway
            ... There was a steady increase in publishers from the mid-1960's till the mid-1970's. But expectations regarding the year 1975 proved to be a test of faith for some brothers. When the great tribulation did not come in 1975, a few left the organization; and between 1976 and 1980, there was a slight decrease in publishers." 2012 Yearbook of Jehovah's Witnesses pp.142-143

            >"Philippines
            ... However, there were many who stopped serving Jehovah when the present system of things did not end in 1975." 2003 Yearbook of Jehovah's Witnesses pp.162-163

            >In 1967, Watchtower wrote that "sudden death" was "only a few short years ahead of us" and to come within the generation that had seen both world wars.

            "the danger of sudden death is staring you in the face. ... That is exactly the case with the warning that we speak of here, and there are reasons why it can truly be said to be the most urgent warning ever given. ... It is to come within the generation that has already seen two world wars and it is only a few short years ahead of us." Watchtower 1967 Apr 15 pp.243-244

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            In the 1960s the Witnesses advanced the date of 1975 as marked in Bible chronology and many extrapolated this as meaning that the end of the current system of things would probably come in 1975.

            While there was likely a lot of speculation surrounding 1975 by individuals, no publication ever provided a definitive statement saying that the end would come in 1975.

            I quoted a 1966 Watchtower proving this exact point.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            you didn't read the post.

            in the last line, watchtower official made another prophecy which did not come true.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >"the danger of sudden death is staring you in the face. ... That is exactly the case with the warning that we speak of here, and there are reasons why it can truly be said to be the most urgent warning ever given. ... It is to come within the generation that has already seen two world wars and it is only a few short years ahead of us." Watchtower 1967 Apr 15 pp.243-244

            While Christ taught that Armageddon will come before the end of a "generation" he did not explicitly explain which sense of the word "generation" he was using (Matthew 24:34; Mark 13:30; Luke 21:32).

            So Christians throughout history have been left to use the rules of exegesis to determine what was meant.

            Like the Apostles and Christians throughout history, Witnesses are always willing to change their understanding of the Bible's prophecies as increased knowledge and world events dictate.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            It still constitutes a prophecy, and was a false prophecy. You don't need a specific date for it to be a prophecy. I posted the other quotes to show that it was a well understood secret throughout that this is what they were saying.

            If all you're arguing is that we take a look at JW perspectives on things, I think that's fine. But submitting to the spiritual authority of the JW board of directors, the governing body, who have been so repeatedly misguided, and to the spiritual guidance of those they appoint, when these have been so repeatedly misguided, is a bad idea.

            JWs will have no qualms about brining up the papacy's past against them, but the recoil when the same is applied to them, and for more recently.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            While Jehovah’s Witnesses never claimed to be inspired or add to the Bible, there have been instances of immature interpretation of existing prophecy. But only the hateful would confuse that with being a false prophet.

            The condition for obedience in the Scriptures is not based on whether someone is inspired or perfect, rather, it is based on their responsibilities.

            In a business setting, you are obligated to follow the direction of your manager, not because he is infallible, but because he is responsible for your department. Likewise, in the Christian Congregation, infallibility or inspiration does not come into the picture.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >But only the hateful would confuse that with being a false prophet.

            I understand that this is the party line that you're towing, but I don't understand how the standard of "false prophet" is to be applied.

            If this wasn't false prophecy, then what is false prophecy. How does one objectively determine what is and what isn't false prophecy?

            Lets handle this Socratically, why don't you give some examples of both cases. From outside your particular body let me know some examples of false prophecy, and immaturity respectively.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >If this wasn't false prophecy, then what is false prophecy

            I'm glad you asked !

            God provided a means of identifying false prophets, and what to do with them. These instructions are found at Deuteronomy 13:1-5 and 18:20-22

            “In case a prophet or a dreamer of a dream arises in your midst and does give you a sign or a portent, 2 and the sign or the portent does come true of which he spoke to you, saying, ‘Let us walk after other gods, whom you have not known, and let us serve them,’ 3 you must not listen to the words of that prophet or to the dreamer of that dream, because Jehovah YOUR God is testing YOU to know whether YOU are loving Jehovah YOUR God with all YOUR heart and all YOUR soul. 4 After Jehovah YOUR God YOU should walk, and him YOU should fear, and his commandments YOU should keep, and to his voice YOU should listen, and him YOU should serve, and to him YOU should cling. 5 And that prophet or that dreamer of the dream should be put to death, because he has spoken of revolt against Jehovah YOUR God...”

            “‘However, the prophet who presumes to speak in my name a word that I have not commanded him to speak or who speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet must die. 21 And in case you should say in your heart: “How shall we know the word that Jehovah has not spoken?” 22 when the prophet speaks in the name of Jehovah and the word does not occur or come true, that is the word that Jehovah did not speak. With presumptuousness the prophet spoke it. You must not get frightened at him.’”

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >18:20-22
            "However, the prophet who presumes to speak in my name a word that I have not commanded him to speak......that prophet must die.,,when the prophet speaks in the name of Jehovah and the word does not occur or come true, that is the word that Jehovah did not speak."

            So the governing body should have been put to death? I'm not sure how this quote helps you my man? They spoke untrue words on behalf of God, that means "ack".

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Here the false prophet gives “signs or portents,” adding to God’s word, and advocates worship of false gods.
            Even if his “signs or portents” come true, he must be executed for his false teaching of advocating false gods.

            So the false prophet adds to God’s word by making new predictions that fail and/or advocates worship of false gods. He must be executed.

            In both descriptions, there is NOTHING about misinterpreting scripture, but only adding to scripture, as well as adding a new, false, god to worship.

            (Ironically, the Trinitarians who accuse Jehovah’s Witnesses of false prophecy are not only being hateful and therefore unchristian, but they are also advocating the worship of a new, false God, the Trinity. Therefore, per Deuteronomy, the Trinity must be executed. This is done by rejecting that new, fake God: not being under its control, not fearing it. But I digress)

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            You just gave me qoute that pretty clearly implies the governing body ought to be put to death.
            If they the claim to speak prophecy on God's behalf and it does not come to pass, they are a false prophet.
            It makes a distinction between people claiming to speak for god and those advocating other gods.
            "The prophet who presumes to speak in my name a word that I have not commanded him to speak >>>>>OR<<<<< who speaks in the name of other gods"

            JW leadership falls into the first camp.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            we can recognize someone as a false prophet if he declares that he is speaking Jehovah's words actually revealed to him by direct revelation from God - an inspired prophet ("speaketh in Jehovah's name") and his message proves to be false.
            And we can also recognize a false prophet (even if something he says turns out to be correct) by the rest of his teachings, words, and deeds (his "fruits").

            Compare with what the Watchtower has said over the years:

            "We have not the gift of prophecy." - January 1883, page 425.

            "Nor would we have our writings reverenced or regarded as infallible." - December 15, 1896, page 306.

            "[the fact that some have Jehovah's spirit] does not mean those now serving as Jehovah's witnesses are inspired. It does not mean that the writings in this magazine, The Watchtower, are inspired and infallible and without mistakes." - May 15, 1947, page 157.

            "The Watchtower does not claim to be inspired in its utterances, nor is it dogmatic." - August 15, 1950, page 263.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Okay, that's what your governing body says, but the quote you just provided shows what the bible says on the issue, and by that definition, the governing body out to get the chop.

            They predicted something via spiritual guidance which the bible says not to do in the first place, they were wrong, they're false prophets according to 18:20-22.

            Regardless, it's here:

            We see no reason for changing the figures—nor could we change them if we would, They are, we believe, God's dates, not ours. But bear in mind that the end of 1914 is not the date for the beginning, but for the end of the time of the trouble.[19

            Speaking on behalf of God, wrong, ack.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Let me give you an actual example of false prophecy. In October 2020, Pat Robertson CLAIMED THAT GOD TOLD HIM, “Without question, Trump is going to win the election”

            https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2020/november-web-only/political-prophecy-false-bible-scholar-trump-election.html

            Now if we come back to the alleged false prophecy of the generation, since they hoped for a shorter length to the "last days" they first chose the definitions which applied to the Christians who were actually alive in 1914. However, as that was proved incorrect they now have accepted the meaning of a generation as "people of various ages whose lives overlap during a particular time period or event

            >We see no reason for changing the figures—nor could we change them if we would, They are, we believe, God's dates, not ours. But bear in mind that the end of 1914 is not the date for the beginning, but for the end of the time of the trouble.[19

            What about it ? We do believe that 1914 is set in Scripture. We didn't speak in behalf of God, 1914 is in the Bible.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >JWs will have no qualms about brining up the papacy's past against them, but the recoil when the same is applied to them, and for more recently.

            It's true that both the GB and the Pope lead a religious organization. But that's their only point in common.

            The concept of a GB is well-based on the Scriptures while the Pope is not. The GB does not claim infallibility or any special knowledge or any mystical features as the Pope does. Besides, the Pope is a political leader. He's the head of state of a physical country (the Vatican) which is very small today but covered a huge area in the past. As a political leader the Pope is involved in political conflicts and issues, while the GB are completely neutral in politics.
            The GB bases their explanations and decision on the Scriptures, not on canon law or tradition, or what is accepted by the society today. GB members are just Christians as the rest of the congregation. As individuals they don't have any particular power or authority. They are not venerated in any way. They are not rich nor lead a life of luxury. There is a huge contrast between them and the Pope.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            False prophecy discredits the qualified bit. If you were to dissolve the JWs and all prior rules completely, then reform, I would take you seriously. But with you recommitting the same mistakes as recently as the 70s, there is a reformation that needs to take place. All of it has to go.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          >They're pretty transparently not paleo-Christian from that fact alone.

          >Prophecy is part of the fruits equation, and the fruits are spoiled.

          There is a big difference between misguided and immature exegesis of prophecy or scripture and outright false prophecy. The later is an attempt to deceive by contradicting true prophecy and scripture.

          The Governing Body follows the pattern set by “the apostles and elders in Jerusalem” in the first century, who made important decisions on behalf of the entire Christian congregation. (Acts 15:2)

          Like those faithful men, the members of the Governing Body are not the leaders of our organization.
          They look to the Bible for guidance, acknowledging that Jehovah God has appointed Jesus Christ as the Head of the congregation.—1 Corinthians 11:3; Ephesians 5:23.

          >If you want to just take some of the JW interpretations but not become a JW fair play to you. But if you're going to actually become a JW and listen to their leadership, you're on the wrong path. Becoming a JW, verses just listening to what they have to say on some matters, is a mistake.

          God has always used an organized teaching method to disseminate his Truth i.e., Patriarchs, Prophets, Priests and Apostles.

          The current method is THE TRUE CHRISTIAN CONGREGATION !

          Paul identified this channel when he wrote that "there might be made known through the congregation the greatly diversified wisdom of God, according to the eternal purpose that he formed in connection with the Christ, Jesus our Lord." (Ephesians 3:10, 11; John 6:67,68; Hebrews13:17)

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >There is a big difference between misguided and immature exegesis of prophecy or scripture and outright false prophecy.
            It was false prophecy. Pretty obviously so. And repeatedly false, doing something the book they claim to understand better specifically said don't do.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          >I would also stress caution in taking them too seriously. For example on the web the spam the importance of "Jehovah", when in fact this too is a Latinization, making them no better or closer to the real biblical name of God than anyone else. But JWs think this is the most important thing in the world, when it's clearly wrong to anyone who looks into the matter for 15 minutes, consulting whichever sources they please.

          You are missing the point. The first-century Christians were called a people for God’s name. They preached about the name to others and encouraged them to call upon it. (Acts 2:21; 15:14; Romans 10:13-15)

          So it is important to God that we use his name in whatever language we speak, appreciate its significance, and live in harmony with what it stands for.

          Bible names, when spoken in a modern-day language, probably sound nothing like the original Hebrew, and hardly anyone objects. This is because these names have become part of our language and they are easily recognized. So it is with the name Jehovah. JWs in other countries don't pronounce it as 'Jehovah' like in English. So clearly, the exact original pronunciation is not important, what is important is that we use and glorify his name.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          >And you certainly shouldn't take anything seriously written from them during the times of all the false prophecy.

          Jesus didn't say you would identify the true religion because they never misunderstood prophesy (indeed that would exclude the apostles). He said that you would discern the true Christian Organization from the false "by their fruits," or the results of their Biblical teaching (Matthew 7:16,20).

          We can examine the “fruitage” of all religions in light of scriptural requirements.

          Do their adherents even agree on abortion, homosexuality, special gifts, or baptism ? (1 Corinthians 1:10). Does its members shoot and kill each other at the command of Governments ? Would Christ or the apostles do this ?

          My religion imitates Christ, and this proves that they are True Christians !!! WWJD ??? 😀

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Not even the pope, who is often seen as going way overboard on the power of humans in spiritual matters, claims to know who is and isn't in heaven.
          Actually the Catholic church does claim to know that canonized saints are in heaven. (Being in heaven and being a saint are synonymous, and canonized people are officially declared to be saints).
          However the Church has never declared that someone is in hell. This would presume a limit to God's forgiveness. Even whether Judas is in hell is an open question.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            fair enough, that is correct.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >They assume the same powers of pronouncement as the catholic church, they go further in fact, and yet they can't even remotely begin to claim apostolic succession.

      Jehovah’s Witnesses are not expected to believe in the governing body of Jehovah’s Witnesses, but in the Bible. And we are not supossed to follow the GB but Jesus.

      I believe in the Bible and believe that Jehovah’s Witnesses’ interpretation of the Bible is by far the most accurate and reasonable.

      That is what makes me think that Jehovah’s Witnesses is the true religion.

      And I respect the authority of the group of elders that oversee our worldwide congregation as a result of my belief in the Bible.

      That doesn’t mean that I believe Jehovah’s Witnesses have the absolute truth. The absolute truth is God’s Word (John 17:17), and Jehovah’s Witnesses offer the best explanation in my view; but it is subject to improvement, instead of being bound to a creed.

      Precisely because the truth is so important to us, we are willing to admit some times that we were wrong on certain point and change. But the truth, the message of the Bible, does not change.

      I hope this helps.

  4. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >>no idols
    >>don't go to war or get involved in politics
    >>shun unrepentant sinners
    >>use God's name
    to others
    >>don't use titles like 'pope' or 'nun'
    pagan beliefs like hell and birthdays
    Proof they did any of that?

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Come attend a JW meeting and see for yourself !

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Nah, frick this homosexual, meet me instead, offer up your blood. I'll teach you psycho powers and magic.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        That's not evidence of what first century Christians did

  5. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >don't go to war or get involved in politics
    By paying taxes to a government that uses them to build weapons of mass destruction.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      It doesn't matter because the Kingdom of God is a real government in heaven that will replace human governments and accomplish God’s purpose for the earth. (Daniel 2:44; Matthew 6:9, 10)

      It will take these actions SOON, for Bible prophecy indicates that we are living in “the last days.”—2 Timothy 3:1-5; Matthew 24:3-14.

      Jesus is the King of God’s Kingdom in heaven. He began ruling in 1914.—Revelation 11:15.

      so you're polytheists? Why not just worship Zeus too at that point?

      The Bible does not teach polytheism. Jesus Christ said:
      “It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.” (Matthew 4:10)

      The Bible states:
      “For even though there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many ‘gods’ and many ‘lords,’ there is actually to us one God, the Father, from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.”—1 Corinthians 8:5, 6.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        you said that Jesus is Divine but not Almighty God? That means you aren't Monotheists, you are Polytheists. Again, why not just worship Zeus at that point?

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          God (theos in Greek / El in Hebrew) basically means powerful or mighty one.

          the Bible can use the word 'god' to refer to humans (John 10:34,35), prophets (Exodus 7:1), false deities (Exodus 12:12), angels (Psalms 8:5) and even Satan (2 Corinthians 4:4)

          The Bible refers to Jesus as a god but he is a god compared to humans, not because he is Almighty God himself.
          Angels are also gods compared to humans for example, that is why they are called as such. They are divine beings, and thus lesser gods.

          However there is no one else like the uncreated creator, Jehovah God alone is the Almighty (Psalms 83:18) and no one can reach his divinity as he is far above anything in existence, only He is Divine in the Supreme sense !

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        >It will take these actions SOON, for Bible prophecy indicates that we are living in “the last days.”—2 Timothy 3:1-5; Matthew 24:3-14.
        JW really is the 2 more weeks religion

  6. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    ive been saying the same thing on Oyish for months anon. its the truth.
    Dont forget
    >constantly think the end of the world is nigh just like the early christians

  7. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    He spoke it on God's behalf, as you now continue to do, even after admiting he was wrong and changing it. By the definition you, not I, provided, this is false prophecy.

    >Armageddon may begin next spring, yet it is purely speculation to attempt to say just when."

    He changed his dates multiples times in attempt to cope, admitting he was wrong. That's false prophecy. And you continue to echo false prophecy, which is even worse.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      this is for

      Let me give you an actual example of false prophecy. In October 2020, Pat Robertson CLAIMED THAT GOD TOLD HIM, “Without question, Trump is going to win the election”

      https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2020/november-web-only/political-prophecy-false-bible-scholar-trump-election.html

      Now if we come back to the alleged false prophecy of the generation, since they hoped for a shorter length to the "last days" they first chose the definitions which applied to the Christians who were actually alive in 1914. However, as that was proved incorrect they now have accepted the meaning of a generation as "people of various ages whose lives overlap during a particular time period or event

      >We see no reason for changing the figures—nor could we change them if we would, They are, we believe, God's dates, not ours. But bear in mind that the end of 1914 is not the date for the beginning, but for the end of the time of the trouble.[19

      What about it ? We do believe that 1914 is set in Scripture. We didn't speak in behalf of God, 1914 is in the Bible.

  8. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Whenever I argue with protestants, Catholics, Orthodox here....they use their own words and are willing to concede a point if they are ring about something.

    This troony just spams links and gives you the equivalent of, "nuh uh" when they lose a debate.

    Talking to Jehovah's False Witnesses will quickly bring one to understand the true difference between a faith and a cult.

  9. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    JWanon(bot) realizes the gig is up so stops using his name. Lol no one believes your shit.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Many people are simply resisting the Holy Spirit’s attempts to draw them to faith in Jehovah.

      Stephen, a leader in the early church, told those who were about to murder him, “You stiff-necked people, with uncircumcised hearts and ears! You are just like your fathers: You always resist the Holy Spirit!” (Acts 7:51).

      The apostle Paul made a similar statement to a group of gospel rejecters in Acts 28:23-27.

      >It will take these actions SOON, for Bible prophecy indicates that we are living in “the last days.”—2 Timothy 3:1-5; Matthew 24:3-14.
      JW really is the 2 more weeks religion

      All the prophecies are coming to fruition. JWs were the first to predict that the UN would be formed and that it would destroy the prostitute of babylon (the world empire of false religion)

      We already see the King of the North rising against the King of the South (Russia vs the USA).

      The prophecy of the feet of clay and iron coming to pass (democracy weakening the US' ability to act with authority due to political divisions)

      Famines on the horizon, pestilences every year and wars brewing. It is SILLY to now of all times to make fun of Jehovah's Witnesses.

      Someone tell this wetawd about what arianism is

      Calling us Arians doesn't make sense

      The apostles did not believe in the trinity yet I don't see anyone calling them arians

      They lived before Arius was born

  10. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Someone tell this wetawd about what arianism is

  11. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    They showed up for the first time in possibly years the other day. They seemed nice.

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