It really puzzles me how people. a) think the Bible is literal

It really puzzles me how people
a) think the Bible is literal
b) think there is anything at all to get out of the literal interpretation of the Bible
c) say they "believe" in Jesus/Christianity/the Bible while thinking it's all literal
d) say you're an atheist/satanist if you don't think the Bible is literal

The Bible is not literal. And that's not just things like the parables, it's also the stories of Jesus, Moses, Abraham etc.

It also puzzles me when people think the Bible is about politics and not psychology.

Let me explain how I view the Bible.

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  1. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    For example the Gospel. Turn the other cheek. Give away your belongings. It's easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter heaven. If someone wants your shirt give him your coat too. Etc. None of these statements are literal. It's psychology. I'll explain what I think it means. You have a difficult experience with someone. That experience is now in the past. It's a memory. When you're thinking of that memory you're having a negative experience again. When you're thinking of the situation and the person in question you're having feelings of unworthiness. Maybe for example there was a girl and a guy and the girl rejected you and chose the other guy, and the guy was an butthole to you. You have negative feelings about both of them. This is because they trigger in you a feeling that there is something about you which is inferior, that you are unworthy. This is ego. "the cheek", "the belongings", "the riches", "the shirt", "the coat", all of these things are about that something in your mind which you are clinging onto and which the experience makes you feel that they are a threat to, and that's because you identify with that thing, that without it you would be cutting off a vital part of your being, part of your essence. But in fact this is an illusion, and the experience is a blessing in disguise because it's telling you that you are identifying with this something, when you don't actually have to, you actually shouldn't. This is also what repent means. You say to yourself "yes, you are right about me, I AM this and that, I am trash etc". I think that's also what "a fisherman of men" is about. When your mind sees how the enemies actually help you on your path toward God, every such realization is "catching a fish", every such instance is food for your soul like a fish is food for your body. These things are all very subtle things about the mind.

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    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      You are correct, the Bible's words have been changed by various politicians and governments throughout history, using techniques similar to what you would consider 'modern psyops', that the original message is long gone and what is left is a form of psychology that heavily taxes in-group participants (slaves) whose benefits extracted often go to a certain ~~*group*~~ that have controller christians for ~2000 years

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        That’s not true, KJV was translated directly from the Greek. israelites like you spread this lie that the Bible was translated and retranslated from language to language, it’s just a lie.

        You israelites would be a lot better off if you lied less, airman.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          Bro I didn't say a single thing about knv or Greek or translations or mistranslations or different languages. YOU DID. those are doubts that YOU have since you brought them up. But hey, if it's easier to just say I'm a liar, then who am I to take away that prerogative from you?

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >now you're lying
            Pathetic. Hope you lose a leg in Israel.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          >What are Apokrypha?
          From the "Old Testament" to the "New Testament", the Bible has been wrung through so many "councils" and so much "curation", censorship, re-contextualization, translation and mistranslation -- you may aswell regard it one grand fanfiction, ignore it and draw directly from its source materials (i.e. the mythologies of about two dozen cultures).

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >what is left is a form of psychology
        Not sure what you're getting at, you seem to not get my point. I'm saying it is psychology when understood correctly, not that it's misused as being about psychology. Did you really read my posts? People in general think it's NOT psychology, it is, but that's not a misrepresentation, it's not something which it has been turned into when it didn't used to be. You seem befuddled.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >what is left is a form of psychology
        Not sure what you're getting at, you seem to not get my point. I'm saying it is psychology when understood correctly, not that it's misused as being about psychology. Did you really read my posts? People in general think it's NOT psychology, it is, but that's not a misrepresentation, it's not something which it has been turned into when it didn't used to be. You seem befuddled.

        It is a misrepresentation that it's not about psychology. You could perhaps say that the misrepresentation of the message, which is so prevalent, is also a form of psychology, maybe that's what you're getting at.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          I'm just saying I don't think God has the need to psyop people into believing in Him. Children don't need to be psyopped into thinking God exists they just intuitively know that He exists.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            I struggle to see the relevance to the topic at hand. A lot of people are suffering and don't see a purpose to their suffering, don't see the truth etc. You could say they don't believe in God. Yes, this is more often adults than children. Many adults are in need of being guided toward the truth in one way or another.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        The thing is, the original message was even worse, I guarantee it. You don't become the biggest religion in the world through peace and telling people the things they do already need to stop.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      A lot of words just to cope and say "I don't believe in the bible".

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        You just displayed that you're d). Thanks for being another tiresome individual with zero thoughts, zero contribution to the discussion, as usual with you brainlets. Learn logic before you post again.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          A lot of words just to say "I'm a israelite."

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            deep, thought provoking, edgy etc, anything more?

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >you are identifying with this something, when you don't actually have to, you actually shouldn't.
      let's, hypothetically, assuma that life is indeed an illusion. who do you feel gets more value out of a (theatric or whatever) play: the guy who lets his genuine feelings arise and experiences all of them, who both cries and laughs together with the cast, or the guy who constantly reminds himself "this is just a play" whenever the act would invoke strong negative emotions inside him?
      we all know those losers who will say they just laugh at scary scenes in movies but in "real life" are scared of their shadow. do you think they're honestly brave? don't you feel they're rather too scared to let themselves get immersed by scary movies? and that it's actually a loss to them somehow, rather than a benefit?

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous
      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        No, the things that happen happen, but the unenlightened mind does not interpret it correctly, it has delusions about the actual meaning and purpose of the things you experience. I didn't say life is an illusion, I said "that something" is an illusion, referring to the ego clinging onto things which aren't actually a vital part of you, but are actually something which you should discard and which your enemies remind you of, hence being a blessing in disguise. I thought about this after a bad experience yesterday.
        >Do not love the world or anything in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world—the desires of the flesh, the desires of the eyes, and the pride of life—is not from the Father but from the world.
        >be in this world but not of it
        etc

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          the emotional state that bad experience triggered in you will keep haunting you until you properly let yourself experience it. what you resist, persists.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous
    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Or you could literally just follow the commands and overcome ego/selfishness through selfless action for god. Literally Giving him your shirt. Turning your cheek.

      You gnostic types pervert god's word, You ultimately are lovers of self, and hate the idea of truly submitting to god in thought AND action and living for him, you'd rather just pervert the word into contemplative panthiestic BS, so you dont have to truly love or be truly selfless. It's absolutely unpalpable for you. Go ahead, Jerk yourself off a bit. it's harder to just do the right thing to just seek void.

      You're not enlightened, You didn't big brain the bible. You're just another deceived luciferian.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >i am here to tell you that the parable about a camel not fitting through the eye of a needle isn’t literal.
      Gee. You think?
      Enjoy a lot of TV?
      I bet.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      chrisitanity has a realy high iq floor. you need to be smart and be able to think to grasp things like the trinity. but even little things like when jesus tells the rich man to give away his things. in context the man was pestering jesus boasting how moral he was and he already follows all the rules to get into heaven, so jesus shut him up by telling him why doesnt he prove it by giving away his things to the poor, this caused the man to shut up and walk away. but someone who doesnt think critically will read that like and say its a commandment to be as poor as possible. when ever someone quotes the bible, ask them what the rest of the chapter says

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        No, Christ literally means sell your possessions. Be not of this world and put no other things before him and give to the poor in his name. Its not some secret covert buddhist crap about overcoming your ego for your own sake becuase jesus was some ascended yogi, No its about doing these things for him and his kingdom because thats what you LOVE.

        all the eastern philosophies are inversions of what you should do for god's sake instead instead you're only doing it for your own personal power/satan/edification/"godhood"

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      moron i’m not reading your low IQ bullshit. all christians are subhumans. the lowest of the low of scum. literal slaves to the israelite. all you’re writing is just idiotic cope. kys by chocking on rabbi’s dick you braindead c**t

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        projecting much?

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >LET ME STEP INTO YOUR RELIGION AND TELL YOU BLAH BLAH YOU WAITED THOUSANDS OF YEARS FOR ME

      Idiot.
      I'm not a Christian but I believe them when they say what they believe.
      Huge sections of protestantism and evangelism are judaizer cargo cults however
      But the literal core institutions, I believe them when they tell you what they believe. That is the core. David and Paul said the gods of the gentiles are demons. I believe that's what they believe

      You can't counter it if you don't take it on its own terms. That's just baby denialism and acting too smart.

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  2. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Sounds like a preload, did you really type all that out, israelite? Or just use a bot?

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      I typed it right now.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        nuh uh

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >349 words typed between OP and 1st reply
      >1st reply happened in under a minute
      >the highest WPM ever recorded is 216
      (X) Doubt

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        I typed it out in one post, then cut and pasted due to the character limit. How new are you?

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          >I typed it right now.
          All liars end up in the lake of fire anon

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Got his assssss

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Got his assssss

        >I typed it right now.
        All liars end up in the lake of fire anon

        The absolute state of nu/pol/.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        theres a 2000 character limit newbie
        learn to effortpost ffs
        clearly he wrote it out and it was longer than 2000 characters so he had to split it into two posts. it isnt rocket science.

  3. 5 months ago
    Anonymous
  4. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Don't worry, none of you were never meant to understand what the bible is

    Then I saw in the right hand of him who sat on the throne a scroll with writing on both sides and sealed with seven seals.
    And I saw a mighty angel proclaiming in a loud voice, “Who is worthy to break the seals and open the scroll?”
    But no one in heaven or on earth or under the earth could open the scroll or even look inside it.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      wow that's so deep, you really contributed a lot

  5. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Funny to see this thread after I just finished reading the Book of Judges. Not sure if everything I read was literal lol.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      I haven't read that particular book. There are some things in the Bible which are literal, like Proverbs is just a bunch of commandments what actions are right and wrong, that's mostly literal. However the entire story of Jesus for example is not literal but is commonly misrepresented as such.

  6. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >It really puzzles me how heretics have incorrect interpretations of an incomplete Bible
    >Here's my own interpretation of the Bible
    Just investigate the arguments for Catholicism and either convert or just dismiss Christianity as fake and gay, it's that simple

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      It seems it's mostly Protestants who have a literal understanding of the Bible. That's something I respect about Catholics, that they often view the Bible nonliterally. I guess that's what happens when you tell the masses of morons that they can interpret the Bible correctly on their own, that there will be a lot of misinterpretation of the Bible, maybe that was the entire purpose of the Reformation.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosary#Mysteries_of_the_Rosary

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >a literal understanding
        *literal interpretation
        "understanding" is not the right word

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >maybe that was the entire purpose of the Reformation.
        I wouldn't be surprised if Martin Luther was inspired by Satan, the damage caused by it has made Christianity confusing to people and the conflicting protestant heresies can discourage people from finding the truth about Christ

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          I don't know, it's an interesting subject. I speculate that it was indeed to lead people away from God. But it might be a case of the end justifying the means. People might have to be led away from God in order to truly understand what the Bible is talking about. Sin and the consequent suffering might be what enlightens people. There seems to be an analogy between humanity as a whole, and the individual who goes from childhood to being corrupted as an adult. Furthermore there seems to be some kind of connection between the two where the child who becomes an adult is more corrupted than earlier in history. Also I think maybe these things are not really a matter of choice as in choice of political system, religious system etc, it's written in the stars so to speak, and that might be true both for humanity as a whole and for the individual.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Catholics
        Well, Catholics actually solved a

        >think the Bible is literal
        There is no other choice, but to think that Bible is literal, if you want to be a proper believer.

        If you assume that even a single line in it is metaphorical, you create a precedent, which makes it so that literally entire text is metaphorical. I hope I don't need to explain how exactly it turns it from a scripture containing absolute metaphysical truths, and into a collection of questionable advises for life.

        To have authority on separating which parts are metaphorical, and which ones are literal, you have to prove that higher powers beam revelations directly into your head. I know for sure that they don't, which means you just pull it out of your ass and construct interpretation of the scripture that you personally like.

        Either you take every single world literally, and Bible remains scripture of revelation, or you create a precedent which completely nullifies its transcendent nature by assuming anything at all in it can be a metaphor. You go literal, or go home. Proper Christian has no choice but to deny space and believe that Earth is 7k years old. Otherwise doublethink is required.

        problem, by claiming that high level clergy gets to interpret the scripture because higher powers indeed do beam correct answers to them directly. Only they have no proof of that, you have to believe. But not everyone would believe the organization with as much skeletons in the closet and questionable activities as Catholic church, that's for sure.

        But if you aren't ready to delegate your understanding of the scripture to people who molest boys, this still locks you into being obliged to believe in flat earth.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          >But not everyone would believe the organization with as much skeletons in the closet and questionable activities as Catholic church, that's for sure.
          The gates of hell shall not prevail against it
          That is a God given promise
          Bad men do bad things
          The church remains standing
          The official teachings are protected by God, and will remain so until the end of the world, just as he promised

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >The official teachings are protected by God, and will remain so until the end of the world, just as he promised
            Ok pal

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          But Catholics don't maintain continuity. Augustine rebuked the Church's "antisemitic" views and introduced many other false doctrines, including Filioque.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Not that guy but i'm an agnostic Christian

      If the message of God is to apply the golden rule (treat others as humans) it does not need God's backing. It stands on its own. This is why Catholicism won and millions willingly converted

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous
  7. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    the Bible is an ilusion so Jihad must be too. Nice try, Hans. Jihad is war don't sell me this hippy version of Scripture

  8. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >think the Bible is literal
    There is no other choice, but to think that Bible is literal, if you want to be a proper believer.

    If you assume that even a single line in it is metaphorical, you create a precedent, which makes it so that literally entire text is metaphorical. I hope I don't need to explain how exactly it turns it from a scripture containing absolute metaphysical truths, and into a collection of questionable advises for life.

    To have authority on separating which parts are metaphorical, and which ones are literal, you have to prove that higher powers beam revelations directly into your head. I know for sure that they don't, which means you just pull it out of your ass and construct interpretation of the scripture that you personally like.

    Either you take every single world literally, and Bible remains scripture of revelation, or you create a precedent which completely nullifies its transcendent nature by assuming anything at all in it can be a metaphor. You go literal, or go home. Proper Christian has no choice but to deny space and believe that Earth is 7k years old. Otherwise doublethink is required.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >You must believe in my particular flavor of schism
      Frick off heretic

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >If you assume that even a single line in it is metaphorical, you create a precedent
      "Let the dead bury the dead"
      What did Jesus mean by this?

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        The frick do I know? I just lay out the logic for processing the text in question. It can be applied to any text which is claimed to contain metaphors, but which does not specify what is a metaphor and what isn't.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          >The frick do I know?
          So you claim nothing in the Bible is figurative but you can't understand a basic 5 word statement Jesus used?
          Ok Christian LARPer
          If you can't understand extremely basic statements then you can't understand if something is a metaphor.
          >I just lay out the logic for processing the text in question
          Jesus was figuratively referring to the spiritually dead when one of his disciples wanted to help bury someone who had literally died just recently.

          The Bible contains metaphors at the verse level. It is not 100.000000% literal.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            I'm not a Christian. But if I was, I would have been obliged to believe every single world in Bible being literal, because otherwise I could accidentally figure out that Biblical God is a metaphor for impersonal universal laws, and afterlife is a metaphor for happy retirement or something. Once you start to assume that some things are metaphors, there is nothing that outlines where exactly you should stop, other than explicit proof that some things aren't. And for a scripture about supernatural events that ocurred thousands of years ago, such proof can only be something supernatural.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >And he charged them, saying, Take heed, beware of the leaven of the Pharisees, and of the leaven of Herod. And they reasoned among themselves, saying, It is because we have no bread. And when Jesus knew it, he saith unto them, Why reason ye, because ye have no bread? perceive ye not yet, neither understand? have ye your heart yet hardened?
            >Mark 8:15-17 KJVAAE

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Actual answer to that, is that we are dealing with some kind of hackjob dark ages text with unknown actual history of its writing (self-reported religious history is not real history), and possibility of it being not even simply cargo, but third if not fourth order cargo of something that came before it. Something that was created by proverbial savage survivors squatting in the bombed out ruins of nuclear apocalypse, out of vague memories of some old stories and a stash of pre-nuclear war comic books that they found (they couldn't read anything else).

            However, the fate decided that this text became one of foundational parts of modern era civilization, so there MUST be some deep meaning and transcendent 500IQ wisdom in it, and people who fly to space absolutely must find that meaning which cavemen with stone axes put into it.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Wouldn't it make sense that if God exists God would communicate with us? Or do you believe you evolved from a monke.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Wouldn't it make sense that God would communicate to people who possess enough means of information spreading and preservation to make it known? For some reason God ALWAYS communicates outside of scope of observable history, and when alleged record of God's communication gets into the scope, God hasn't been talking to anyone for centuries.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous
          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >I'm not a Christian. But if I was, I would have been obliged to believe every single world in Bible being literal
            Complete nonsense. All your opinions are discarded
            >such proof can only be something supernatural
            If God performed a mircle right in front of your face you would decide it was aliens playing tricks, or the simulation programmers changing the code etc etc. Even the Pharisees who watched Jesus' miracles rejected him as a God. (they claimed it was demons performing the miracles)

            You, and all God deniers, have rejected God because you hate him, not because you feel you reached a rational conclusion. You will face the consequences of this some day, and the fault will be yours and yours alone.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >afterlife is a metaphor for happy retirement
            >God gives you new body
            >You use your new body to be a NEET and adulterate and shitpost all day

            This is my argument why hell exists. Not everyone is going to heaven, they will just keep being homosexuals.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          No, there is no logic at all in your assertions. In fact most literalists know zero logic, and that's a big part of the problem.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >literalists know zero logic
            just bow to logig then gay. if you don't believe "literally", you dont believe

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Very common idea, but I think you have no basis for this, you might have picked up this idea from others, but nobody who expressed it has any foundation for it. It's an idea which can be debated, but I don't think you have any authority at all in expressing this view. Furthermore there are a lot of assumptions in what you say, which are neither logical, nor some kind of God-given truths in the way you assert them to be.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Believing it is literal requires one to believe absurdities, which is the problem. You’re never going to get people in the modern age to believe things that directly contradict what scientific evidence tells us, like the earth being 6000 years old, all living beings being created in 6 days rather than evolving other millions of years, every animal on earth being packed into a single boat, etc.

  9. 5 months ago
    Anonymous
  10. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >c) say they "believe" in Jesus/Christianity/the Bible while thinking it's all literal
    Nobody thinks it's all literal. There are verses which cannot be taken literally, like Jesus saying "let the dead bury the dead". There is not one person in the world who thinks Jesus meant zombies burying dead people.
    >The Bible is not literal.
    Meaningless statement. It's mostly literal.
    Basic rule of thumb is any theme or story that goes on more than a few verses is literal. At the verse level there's plenty of undeniably figurative statements.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      That's why I brought up the parables. Even the literalist morons think most of those are not literal. As I said though most of the Bible is not literal, including the entire story of Jesus. There are however some parts which are literal, for example where it's just a bunch of commandments of what are right and wrong actions. Your idea is very common, and it's erroneous.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >As I said though most of the Bible is not literal, including the entire story of Jesus
        You didn't say that in your OP you just said nonsense
        >As I said though most of the Bible is not literal, including the entire story of Jesus
        Wrong. Most of it is literal including the story of Jesus. Take your anti-Christ synogogue of satan shilling elsewhere, you non Christian.
        >Your idea is very common, and it's erroneous
        Source: schizo puppet of israelites

  11. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    The Bible never says that it is literal.
    In fact we are told in the Bible to be wary.

    How can you say, 'We are wise, since we have Yahweh's Law?' Look how it has been falsified by the lying pen of the scribes!
    (Jeremiah 8:8)
    Now understand that the word for law here is Torah.
    Torah means the first five books of the Older Part of the Testament (Covenant); the books of Moses, The Pentatuch.
    We are clearly being told here that the Bible has been changed by Scribes.
    It is EASILY shown as well. Use your discernment

    But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
    (Matthew 23:13)
    Jesus is putting scribes in the same boat as he puts the Pharasiees who he told us are literaly the bloodline of Cain and Satan.
    Pretty harsh.

    SCRIBES ? Yeah the people that change holy texts.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >The Bible never says that it is literal.
      Correct, and yet that's what most people think.

  12. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    The Bible is literal.
    israelites are Edomite demons going to hell.
    Christ is Lord

  13. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    The bible is a spiritual book, not an anatomy text book, nor science book, it's all about the good spiritual things that come from the Holy Spirit.

    Spiritual things do and can apply to literal things, this is how prophets are able to use scripture to see into the future. "There is nothing new under the sun", It means that everything spiritual has already happened, and will happen again and repeat itself.

  14. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    They don't care they just want to argue theology

  15. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    then why is the bible backed up by historical facts?

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Because pre-20th century archaeology was manned by people who got brainfricked silly by abrahamic teaching during their school and uni education, and their entire work was effectively dedicated to finding out tangible proofs of biblical events. Even most of 20th century archaeology was influenced by inertia of that.
      Even then, after culling evidence and source which can be considered unreliable due to how easy it can be forged, historicity of Bible ends at mentioning major historical entities like Egypt or Rome.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Im talking about the end times prophecy like revelations.
        the fact that nearly 80% took some experimental mRNA vaccine without second thought or question and even attacking those that are skeptical was an eye opener like nothing else. no wonder the bible speaks about people accepting the mark of the beast as long as their worldly needs are fulfilled.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          Basically, Yeah. The pandemic was the perfect gauge to see if you were living biblically, If you took the verses literally to not rely on man or be wordly, to avoid pharmakeia, to not be anxious, had spiritual discernment, and be willling to give up everything for christ. You didn't get vaccinated because you followed the bible like a mighty soldier who's kingdom was not of this world. In order to that you had to take those verses literally.

          Yeah yeah, Sure you had some based unbelievers that dodged the vaccines but thats not satan's only deception. If you any love for this world, Satan WILL eventually exploit and deceive you. You will literally have to have all your thoughts and actions aligned with christ to make it to the end, Wish i'd understood this sooner.

          Sure, If you're a survivalist prepper. You might last long but it'll get to a point you'll need miracle after miracle and supernatural guidance to survive.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's not. Out of all the things Jesus did in the Bible there are just TWO things scholars agree are historically proven, that he was baptized and crucified. Yet literalists keep insisting the Jesus in the Bible and this dude who lived around year 0 are one and the same, they're not.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        so why did you start this thread? just to troll the believers?

  16. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    The only thing that I know is that the state of unity that the saints and mystics talk about is actually a thing that anyone can experience.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >state of unity that the saints and mystics talk about

      How is being adopted into a church family the same as a "state of unity like mystics talk about"?

  17. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >a) think the Bible is literal
    it says its literal

    >b) think there is anything at all to get out of the literal interpretation of the Bible
    there is plenty to gain and plenty to lose

    >d) say you're an atheist/satanist if you don't think the Bible is literal
    the bible forsakes that kind of attitude/belief. you believe like the sadducees did

    >For example the Gospel. Turn the other cheek. Give away your belongings. It's easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter heaven. If someone wants your shirt give him your coat too. Etc. None of these statements are literal.
    none of that is the gospel. the gospel is this: god created everything including and he wants you to live a cerrtain way. when you go against this way, when you go against gods law, you sin. the punishment for sin is to go to hell. now, everybody sins because we're all fallible men in a fallen state. its impossible to live up to gods standard of being sinless. the punishment for sin is to go to hell, the second death. so by default everyone is going to hell since everybody sins. however god loves us, so he gave humanity a way out. god came down to earth, in the flesh, jesus christ, he lived a completely sinless life. he was spit on and beat and finally put up on the cross to be executed. in that moment jesus (god) took all the sins of everyone in the whole world, past, present, and future, upon himself. it was if he had really done it, not us. and then he died, went down to hell for 3 days, and then resurrected. so jesus quite literally died for your sins, and paid the price for your sins, going to hell in your place. and he has a free gift to you, the gift of eternal life, the gift of spending eternity in heaven. all you need to do is accept this gift and you do it by believing that this happened, that jesus is god, that he died and resurrected, and that he paid the price for your sins, and then you get saved, you are now forgiven,

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      None of that is literal. Your brain is so small I won't even waste time discussing with you. Keep doing what you do, if you think you're getting something out of it, good for you I guess.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        youre a stupid moron and you havent even read the bible. waste of a thread.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        No, Your brain is small, You're selfish and can't grasp true love and comeplete selflessness, only the empty void of lucifer.

  18. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    The bible is both literal and metaphorical.
    That is all I need to say.
    Sorry for my 1pbtid

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      if it is not literal, it is poetry. and then what is the difference between the bible and iliada? Not one frickin muslim argues quoran is not frickin literal. am i going insane?

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        So? There might be truth in the Iliad. Also that's not true about Muslims, yes the masses are literalists just as in Christianity, but there are those who think there are metaphors in the Quran, google Sufism or read picrel. Both religions are for all people and it's a fact most people are unintelligent so there have to be layers of each religion suited for them, but both religions have layer upon layer of meaning, the same text have meaning both for unintelligent people and very intelligent people, and it's not necessarily the same meaning.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          Once again, your panthiesm is not intelligent or enlightened it just a luciferian deception that the whole word will adopt to their demise

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          yes, most people tend to go for the magical thinking. But i don't get why this is the default mindset in your argument. christian and muslim thinking are not the same. like only the rhymes differ or something. also, don't just assume text is only there as subtext. text is text. deal with it.

  19. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >If someone wants your shirt give him your coat too.
    It's easy. If someone wants your iPod and he takes it, then give him your MacBook too and say "frick it", if you're going to be evil then take all of it you evil greedy slime. None of this material stuff matters. That's what it meant. They smile when they've pulled one over another, but their smile is short-lived because the evil die just the same and none of it mattered in the end.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      This is a very Buddhist teaching as well. It gives up attachments

  20. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    It’s funny how none of the critics seem to go after the Talmud.

  21. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    The entire bible can have the four interpretations possible, for every word, for every line, the language/translation is Just the genetic code/mind Format algorythm frequency that allows every people have distinct connection with the Creator, and even If a bad person intentionally changes words from the bible, the mind Format algorythm of the people who reads can achive the Creator because the levels of interpretation and the algorythm self rectifies as long as person put the Creator above everything in the world

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >four interpretations
      The literal interpretation in what you're referring to doesn't mean it's literal, it just means the story itself has a literal layer, which I'm not disputing, any metaphor is built on a literal story, that's how language works, morons misinterpret this.

  22. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    It is full of both. Literal and symbolic. You can not choose to see everything as literal or everything as symbolic. That's clearly not the case. The serpent for example I believe was a human, like the Edomite pharisee that Jesus called serpents. Actual people who talk with a split-tongue. That's what Eve was talking to. A serpentine human, a deceiver and an enchanter (which the serpent is a symbol for). The bible always interprets itself and one has to rightly divide the word of truth. And it has to make sense in the real world, but also not underestimating God's powers and wonders that He is able to perform. And we still talk in symbolic language today, a family tree is not literal wood. Having butterflies in your stomach does not mean that you have literal butterflies in your stomach, and everyone understands that. People throughout millennia also understood these symbolic languages and the language of the prophets. Jesus also called Herod a fox, but he wasn't a literal fox, he was an Edomite set up as a Judaean king in that multi-ethnic Judaean Roman province.
    But you open this "discussion" numerous times, you have no intent to find reasonable common grounds anyway. You are just against the bible, that seems to be set in stone for you, and you want other people to see it as merely a book of myths when it clearly isn't. It's law, history, poetry, morals, prophecy, genealogy, it's an entire family book. And the people from that family book are not who you think they are.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >serpent for example I believe was a human, like the Edomite pharisee that Jesus called serpents. Actual people who talk with a split-tongue. That's what Eve was talking to. A serpentine human, a deceiver and an enchanter (which the serpent is a symbol for).
      But God cursed them to physically crawl on their belly, eat dust, be cursed more than cattle. Snakes have vestigial legs in their genes.

      It was a literal serpent, there is too much specificity to think it was figurative. Supernatural beings have possessed other animals/organisms in the old testament. A donkey talked to someone and a burning bush talked to someone too.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        It's alright, Apep went through his redemption arc.

  23. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    You are a massive homosexual

  24. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Have you even read the Bible and actually studied it? To qualify, that would be studying it as both a historical and religious document. From a historical perspective, the Bible should be accompanied with the works of Tacitus, Josephus, and Herodotus (as a start). I'm leaving out Pliny due to the large controversy of the possible changes to his work. For the war periods or major events, such as the Egyptian plagues, you have to read the accounts from the local historical records. Assyrian records for those wars, Egyptian records for those battles, things like that. No, you won't see an admission of a nation getting their ass kicked but you'll usually find gloating/boasting for wins and the losses typically just mention a battle and then leave out the result.

    Regarding the psychology shit, alot of the Bible IS to be taken literally. The Bible has many translations and versions, this can be a pitfall. The saying 'SEARCH THE SCRIPTURES DAILY' means just that. When you develop faith, what you read today and discern can be completely different than what is determined a year from now. It IS a living book,if you are spiritually alive and have faith. We ARE expected to study it as written above. We WILL be held accountable to following that instruction. Ask yourself, why are the israelites blind? Well, what did Jesus tell unbelieving israelites upon entering Jerusalem? It's not psychology or a mind game. It's not frickin the book of 5rings or the art of war. There was a time I thought I knew wtf was up about it but I didn't really have any faith. It's completely different than what a church will tell you, but you won't get that until you pray sincerely and ask. THEN apply yourself. Read the book. Do it for a week or a month, get a result. Can't say what response you will get, that's always personal but if you're sincere about wanting to learn then you'll get a response. Don't bother replying with some snarky shit, I'm not sticking around

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      he's a reprobate, he loves darkness and will never come to the truth. He belongs in the depths of Hell.

  25. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    bump

  26. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    All religious scriptures are glorified fables. They're like Panchatantra and Aesop's Fables for adults. You were never supposed to take them literally.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      you can't know that, anon. perhaps it was just the aion of pisces that rid the world of old Gods. and prior the deities written in those tales actually roamed the world. note that the bible is not actually monotheistic, just monoaltristic.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        No, It's monothiestic. God made it huge point time and time again throughought the bible of proving all the pagan nations god's as objectively false and devoid of real power. It's like imagine you loved your kid, got him ps5 and he spent more time on that thing and loved it more than you, you'd get jealous and angry

        bump

        yeah, keep ignoring you think you're so smart, but here are down syndrome christians much wiser than you

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          >proving all the pagan nations god's as objectively false and devoid of real power
          never did that, anon. he just proved he has more power in this world than them. God created the world, but other deities could have hijacked it and existed in it until Christ.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            You haven't the read the bible, Go read about Elijah and his spat with the prophets of Baal and get back to me.

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            any other entities were literally just fallen angels, nephilim, and demons. Old news.

  27. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Another idea I'm thinking of which is kind of a different topic is that in the same way the Bible is symbolic, it's possible that the world itself is symbolic. And there might be a connection between the two, as in the Bible helps you decipher the symbolic meaning of the world around you/your life/your experiences. You can see what happens in your life, your negative experiences with people for example, and interpret it "literally", and that normally leads to a lot of suffering, and you can see the things which happen as a kind of symbol with a deeper meaning. Things aren't always what they appear to be. I think about this in relation to the bad experience I had yesterday, and many other bad experiences I've had.

  28. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    You know what, it really amazes me that western nations decided prosperity and peace were overrated and decided "hey, importing millions of Black person shit skins is the best thing we could do for our countries!" and now slowly every single nation is becoming a 3rd world shit hole that even the shit skins are reconsidering travelling to. That's some impressive moronation honestly if I've ever seen it.

  29. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Arrogant gnostic pseudo intellectual, Your knowledge leads to nothing, literally nothing

  30. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    a lot of mumble jumbo just to say you don't believe in the Bible, enjoy burning in Hell for all eternity.

  31. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    I use the quran as toilet paper. Want to see pics???

  32. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    The Bible is literal. Adam and Eve were real. God is our Heavenly Father. Jesus is Savior of Earth.

  33. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    OP, the Bible is literal. It's also metaphorical at times and philosophical at other times.
    For example, the story about Sodom and Gomorrah sounds mythical. Yet, archaeologists recently found the sites and the remains looked like a nuke went off. Pottery had glazing on one side (not normal for the time period) and was normal on the other. So that event was literal.

    Then you have sections say in the New Testament where Jesus says "I am the door". Does that mean Jesus is literally a door attached to a building that we have to turn a handle? No, because door has more than one meaning. Stop being a moron and use your head.

  34. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    XNITY PRIMER
    read moar learn moar discern moar
    some good bible studies in that stack

  35. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Albert Schweitzer already showed that Jesus was mainly a doomsday prophet that predicted the end times would come "when some of you still draw breath", they were true believers in that original dogma and any post-facto "it's just metaphor" is a lazy retcon to explain away prophecies that didn't come to pass or simply verses that people find inconvenient. The bible you read now has been translated multiple times, written centuries after the 'fact', and selectively doctored to create a biblical narrative compatible with the political power balance even later. You might as well start reading into the metaphors of Chinese oracle bones to get an understanding of the original intent of Jesus, it has the same negligible relevance to the initial "gestalt" of Christianity.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      lies from hell, demonic lies

  36. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Just dont give up. Love your neighbour and all that. Love your garbage man, your supermarket worker, because I might just be him . Litteraly.

  37. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    goyim will be goyim is all I can say

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      you are a fricking gnostic, You suck israelite ethereal wiener.

  38. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    it should have been made evident to everyone from the very first page that israelites have an underdeveloped frontal lobe, lack a prefontal cortex, and could not, even if they wanted to, even begin to fathom the essence of creation and nature.
    but israelites, with their limitless wealth made an appeal to the lowest common denominator of men. the lazy, apathetic, and poorly educated types. with their resources they shit out a church in every town because they had the means to do so. the average human is an npc, a follower, they see gold and shiny church and think it must be real. but its not. its israeli lies coated with gold paint, a turd with a layer of paint.

  39. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    You want to get puzzled?

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      perversion from a demon, enjoy your carnal pleasures.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        His message is not about enjoying mundane pleasures tho.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          neville goddards teaching are used by people to fulfill their carnal vain desires, he comepletely butchers and rapes the bibes selfless message into something self-serving. you are not a deep thinker, and you probably have no explanation or ability reconcile his vain teachings with the book of revelations or book of isiah or daniel

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      I tried listening to him before. Couldn't stand him.

  40. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    I agree, nothing in the bible is literal, not even god. Its just an anthology of various ancient mythology.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      simplistic zeitgeist follower that thinks he's deep

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Trying not framing your entire existence in terms dictated to you by strangers.

  41. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Stop being puzzled. Want to see pics of me wiping my ass with the quran?? AFTER EATING BACON????

  42. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

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