Islam seems like a counter-religion more than its own faith

Islam seems like a counter-religion more than its own faith

They overfocus on the oneness of God for the sole reason of being in defiance of trinitarianism.

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  1. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Every monotheistic faith is essentially a counter-religion.

    • 5 months ago
      JWanon

      Except mine

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Even yours. All monotheistic religions rely on the negation of previous traditions, and the repurposing of ritual elements from those traditions to further their goals and philosophies. This goes all the way back to Atenism.

        • 5 months ago
          JWanon

          Jehovah's Witnesses are the first religion to exist though

          Jesus is the first JW

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          >This goes all the way back to Atenism.
          No, it doesn't, midwit conspiratard.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Atenism wasn't a counter-religious movement
            moron

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      I dissagre. If you develop a mental framework, it doesn't need to counter other frameworks. In fact, if your goal is truth, then it would be more likely to adapt to, or obsorb, other mental frameworks, as Jesus Christ does. Hence, the imagery of death and resurrection, the cross, and the vine. If your goal is anti-theology, (anti God, anti theory, anti theorum) as is the goal of the Atheist, (who defines themselves as someone who lacks a mental framework), then you become a fool. Hence, the phrase, "the fool says in his heart, there is no God".

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >I dissagre
        >Here is my non sequitur
        OK

        Get back to me when the OT doesn't negate and repurpose elements of pagan traditions from the ANE; when the NT doesn't negate and repurpose elements of the OT + pagan traditions from the ANE & Mediterranean; and when the Qur'an doesn't negate and repurpose elements of the OT, NT, and pagan traditions from the Arabian Peninsula.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          >negate and repurpose
          Death and resurrection.
          Cross

          Yes. That's how Christianity works. It prunes that branches that produce bad fruit, and water the branches that produce good fruit. That's not opposition. That's evolution.

          I have not come to destroy the law, bit to fullfil the law. Jesus christ looks for the intent of a mental framework, and attempts to reconcile it with reality. Laugh all you want in your own mind, but this is what the annointed salvation of righteous judgement means. By definition, this is what Jesus Christ is.

  2. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    muslims is a masochistic religion
    >allah made the world shitty and my life of eating dirt as miserable as possible to test my faith in him even though he doesnt need or really even want my love and worship, THANK YOU ALLAH

  3. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    it's meant to 'correct' christianity and finish what judaism started.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      dont muslims believe in the Trinity and all that and its just that Muhammad was like the second coming of Jesus or something like that

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Not at all.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        No. The Trinity is complete anathema to Islam, and religious israelites seem incapable of even processing the idea. Try to discuss it with an Orthodox israelite or a traditional Muslim in private. It short-circuits their brains and engenders confusion and anger in them.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          Not at all.

          so what the frick do mudshits believe in then
          all i know is they worship some rock in mecca, Muhammad fricked kids and their god is an butthole

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            You surely have to go out of your way to be this ignorant and this wrong.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            educate me then
            >inb4 read the quran
            not an argument

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            It's the same god as the one in the Bible, namely the god of Abraham. Muhammad is presented as the last in the prophetic tradition whose job is to repair mistranslations and corruptions in the Bible that Muslims believe was one of four divine texts sent by God/Allah/Yahweh, the other being the Quran, the Torah and the Zabur (which most people say is probably Psalms).
            Islam also has a really similar vision of the apocalypse as Christianity. The only major difference is the addition of an Imam-al-Mahdi. But the AntiChrist (the Dajjal) and the Second Coming of Christ are all still there.

            What I was saying was, this is really easy stuff to look up.

          • 5 months ago
            JWanon

            >It's the same god as the one in the Bible

            Why do you lie ?

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            nmp he had a personality change 600 years after getting killed

          • 5 months ago
            JWanon

            God cannot die

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            God is All-Powerful. He can do anything.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            He can't do what is contrary to his own nature

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Well you got me there, man. I was being facetious and I got got.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            who is the AD 33 non-JW lady supposed to represent

          • 5 months ago
            Jwanon

            A 1st century Christian

            Well you got me there, man. I was being facetious and I got got.

            It's ok

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            So why do Muslims worship Muhammad over Jesus then

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            They don't.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            They do.

            They can't draw him just like you can't draw God.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            This is not enough to infer divinity.
            Secondly, no images of any human is allowed. I think the phrasing is nothing with eyes or something.
            Thirdly, you need to better distinguish between theology and culture. One could argue that the amount of respect and reverence that Muslims have for Muhammad is near worship anyway but that's for someone else.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            That doesn't answer why they respect Muhammad, a prophet, over Jesus, literally the son of god

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Well, because if you're Muslim then you *don't* believe Jesus is the son of god. LIke OP said, Islam talks a lot about the oneness of God.

            So basically Muhammad is like, super jesus or something?

            No. He's a guy. Some would say the best of men. Much like Jesus was a great man but men nonetheless. Again, if you're Muslim, this Jesus-like figure that Christians believe in doesn't exist.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Mohammed is viewed as the final prophet, or the "seal of the prophets". He transmits the same message that Moses and later Jesus did, because those who followed Moses, and those who followed Jesus, were led astray. There are similarities, but unlike Jesus, Mohammed dies a very human death, whereas Jesus is sucked up into the heavens by Allah to save him from further suffering.

            so basically muslisms believe that Muhammad is what christians view jesus as
            thats kinda dumb tbh, literally just
            >NO OUR PROPHET COULD BEAT UP YOUR PROPHET

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            You're over-simplifying, but kind of, and what israelites believe Moses to have been as well. The greatest messenger of God to ever walk the earth.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            well thats kinda lame
            so whats the deal with the the rock inside the metal vegana in mecca then? whats that got to do with anything

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Pilgrimage site with a lot of mythology attached to it. You'll have to dig into the Hadith if you want all the stories associated with the Kaaba.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            So they worship a meteorite that allah allegedly sent from space

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            No, muslims don't worship the black stone.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous
          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Problem?

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            It's not so different from Catholics or Orthodox Christians going nuts over certain relics, and it's kind of the only major relic in Islam, so one would expect them all to get crazy when they come into contact with it. It's not an idol or anything though.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >It's not so different from Catholics or Orthodox

            I never said it was

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            A relic is usually a bone of a saint or something, not a giant black cube with a metal vegana (representing saturn)

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            kinda like how catholics don't worship Mary, they just do everything that would be considered worship and call it something else

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Then why is it illegal to depict Muhammad in Islamic states and not Jesus

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Stop denying reality, abdool. Explain why your perfect book has textual variants, grammatical errors, inconsistent spellings, unknown words and incomplete sentences.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            I'm not Muslim, dumbass. I don't believe in this shit. I simply care enough not to have lazy opinions.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            You mean you're one of those people who uncritically accept what muslims claim their religion is.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            the muslims believe it's true and they believe the proof that it provides is enough

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            I ignore anything said by a missionary but I have read the Quran, some Hadith, and books about Islam so, yeah, I know enough to know some basic things about what Muslims believe.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Muhammed had a demon speak to him, specifically to attack Christianity. no true angel would use an aged kid fricker as a prophet

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Ummmmm sweetie?? Abraham literally had his firstborn to an underage midwife????

          • 5 months ago
            JWanon

            Why do you lie ?

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Both the Torah and the Quran agree that Hagar was a daughter of the Pharaoh of the time, which could place her in her teens by the time she conceives to Abraham. The stark contrast between her plentiful womb and Sarah's dried up eggs are an important image that give credence to YHWH's power.

            Based Abraham, i doubt she was 9 years old though like that sicko mohammed's wife

            Yeah true. Lots of incest from israelites though which shows even today lol

          • 5 months ago
            JWanon

            >Hagar was a daughter of the Pharaoh of the time

            Torah verse ?

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Ask a rabbi, sorry 🙁

          • 5 months ago
            JWanon

            So you lied about God's Word

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >lololol israelites do much incest
            Nowhere near the level of Muslims:
            https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/inbreeding-by-country
            https://theworld.org/stories/2012-04-18/pakistani-children-face-high-rates-incest-receive-little-support-family-state
            https://bmcwomenshealth.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12905-022-01704-2
            >Pakistan
            >Qatar
            >Afghanistan
            >Bahrain
            >Jordan
            >Yemen
            All in the top 10.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Based Abraham, i doubt she was 9 years old though like that sicko mohammed's wife

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Reminder that there are NO theological arguments against child marriage. It's not sinful.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            How old was Aisha then, pedo?

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            I've heard she married at 14 and consummated at 18-19.

            https://www.quran-islam.org/articles/part_5/age_of_aisha_(P1472).html

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >The Prophet (ﷺ) married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old.
            https://sunnah.com/bukhari:5134

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            I and most people are aware of that thing you just linked. I've heard otherwise though.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >so what the frick do mudshits believe in
            This is going to be a very brief summary, but some of the crucial points are as follows:
            >All of the OT prophets and kings were prophets and kings.
            >Noah, Abraham, Moses, Solomon, and Jesus were extremely powerful leaders and prophets, some of whom are described as being warlocks.
            >Jews were later misled.
            >Jesus' disciples and all Christians were later misled.
            >Moses' words were distorted by israelites, and Jesus' message was distorted by Christians.
            >Mohammed came to correctly communicate the message of God / Allah / Yahweh once again, and it turns out that many of the major figures in the bible were actually Muslims all along, even Abraham and Noah.
            >In the end times, Jesus will return to help a messenger of Allah in uniting Muslims against unbelievers who are under the sway of a false messiah. They will be killed or converted.
            >Everyone will accept Islam and Mohammed as the final prophet, and Jesus will finally be buried alongside the corpse of Mohammed.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            So basically Muhammad is like, super jesus or something?

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Mohammed is viewed as the final prophet, or the "seal of the prophets". He transmits the same message that Moses and later Jesus did, because those who followed Moses, and those who followed Jesus, were led astray. There are similarities, but unlike Jesus, Mohammed dies a very human death, whereas Jesus is sucked up into the heavens by Allah to save him from further suffering.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Are you fricking 12? go at least get some basic world knowledge then shit up your board with what you've learnt.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        wildly incorrect.
        muslims don't believe in the trinity. op's right in saying it never stops mentioning the oneness of god. one of the more well-known verses goes "he does not beget nor is he begotten"
        but also, muhammad is meant to be the last of prophets that god sends. he also prophesies the second coming of jesus.

  4. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    The Quran is almost certainly a heretical Torah-observant non-trinitarian Christian lectionary that got retconned into being its own religion with the Hadith and Sira.

  5. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Nah it makes perfect sense. They worship the same bloodthirsty warmonger archon as the israelites. Christian theology doesn't really figure in their need for sacrificial murder and the need to make real rivers of blood flow through their forsaken deserts. They're kind of competing for Yahweh's favor.
    >evil cannot create
    >yahweh never actually creates in the OT, only claims to have done so (once and without it being semantically attached to his name)
    hmmm

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Christian theology doesn't really figure in their need for sacrificial murder
      Jesus Christ

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Alright, sacrificial genocide.

    • 5 months ago
      Jwanon

      Jehovah is love personnified

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        convert to Islam you

        • 5 months ago
          JWanon

          I denounce the quran

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

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  6. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >for the sole reason of being in defiance of trinitarianism.
    Wrong. The world doesn't revolve around Christians and their heresies.

  7. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Utterly appalled at the underage posters in this thread

  8. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    this thread started out with an interesting thought and now it's morons shouting hurr-hurr at imaginary projections

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      im just asking questions

  9. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Counter-religion with very little emphasis on the "religion" part. It's basically a political ideology with rituals.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      So like Judaism and functionally Christianity during the middle ages?

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Nope. They at all points followed prophets. Muslims follow a political figure who never even saw or heard God directly.

  10. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Kaffirs hate islam because they hate muslim women

  11. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    As has previously been said in this thread, all of Abrahamism is counter-religion. Judaism is contrarian against Semitic paganism and most of it doesn't even make sense with the original context it was contrarian against lost, Christianity is contrarian against Pharisaic Judaism, Islam is contrarian against all of them since they were all present.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      There is no such thing as Abrahamism.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        All religions derived from Yahwism(Proto-Abrahamism) are Abrahamic religions, just like how all languages derived from Latin are Romance languages. In both cases, creoles may be debated.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          Only Christianity is valid.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Only Spanish is valid.

  12. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Atheism seems more like a counter religion against Christianity than not being religious at all.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      You're thinking of anti-theism. All anti-theists are atheist, but not all atheists are anti-theist

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Denominations of atheism are one of the funniest social horseshoe spectrums.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        A real atheist would be as indifferent to religion as a pebble is indifferent to religion.

  13. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >I'm too intellectually bankrupt to earnestly engage with a different worldview so I'm just gonna pretend it doesn't even exist on its own right and is not even worth consideration
    Why are Judeo-Christians like this?

  14. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Islam just strikes me as a warlord's cult of personality that spiraled out into its own thing. It's too preoccupied on military battles and top-down power and shit and has little to no theology or substance beyond that that didn't come way way later.

  15. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Islam is the ultimate counter religion as it proclaims itself the final religion and it's followers are willing to destroy the world to prove it.

  16. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    lots of schizos in this thread

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      It was actually pretty tolerable for a religion thread until about 20 posts ago.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      it's a religion thread, what do you expect?

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        intelligence

  17. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why are you entertaining this utter moron? What a fricking clown show this thread is.

  18. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Muslims claim to have lot of respect for Jesus and that he's really important to them
    but they deny all his "feats"

    What did Jesus even do in the Islam narrative? Re-affirm the teachings of Moses
    Fake his own death? That's basically it.. WOW

    • 5 months ago
      JWanon

      In the Quran Jesus prayed to receive a table full of food and literally a table full of food descended from heaven

      Not even joking, it's one of the most bizarre passages of the Quran

      Two other things he did was take a bird of clay and give it life, and talk from the craddle as baby to defend Mary from accusations that she was a prostitute. Except those two narratives are copied from the apocryphal Gospel of Thomas

      All in all while I think Muhammad was familiar with the Old Testament stories, he knew next to nothing about the New Testament. No references to the epistles, a vague allusion to the book of Revelation and a Gnostic-inspired take on Jesus

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