Islam Objections

What is your favorite Argument AGAINST the Muhammadans/Muslims on their beliefs?

Currently, mine is the "Jesus is a Muslim" argument, this makes no sense since according to Muslims it's an extremely broad term that means "One who submits (to the monotheistic God" so by their logic, Christians are also Muslims.

Anyways, Muslims claim Jesus, his apostles, and everyone before him were Muslim, the issue is that Jesus and his apostles REPEATEDLY committed the worst Sin in Islam imaginable, Shirk. Jesus on several occasions claimed to be the Son of God, and even his apostles claimed that to be true. So therefore, Islam cannot be true.

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  1. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Jesus on several occasions claimed to be the Son of God, and even his apostles claimed that to be true
    this isn't true

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >John 5:17: “My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I too am working.”
      He's saying very clearly here that he is the Son of God

      >Mark 14:61-62: But Jesus remained silent and gave no answer. Again the high priest asked him, “Are you the Messiah, the Son of the Blessed One?” “I am,” said Jesus. “And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.”

      He was straight up asked if he was the Son of God here, to which he did not deny.

      There are also times when Peopled referred to Jesus as the Son Of God, and he did not correct them, these people include Peter, a demon and GOD HIMSELF

      Peter:
      >Matthew 16:15-17: “But what about you?” he asked. “Who do you say I am?”

      >Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.”

      >Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah"

      Demons:

      >Mark 3:11: Whenever the impure spirits saw him, they fell before him and cried out, “You are the Son of God.”

      >Matthew 8:29: What do you want with us, Son of God?' they shouted. 'Have you come here to torture us before the appointed time?'

      GOD:

      >Matthew 3:17 And a voice from heaven said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.”

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        read Paul's letters.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        The Bible refers to many people as the son of God. Not just Jesus. So the wording there implies something more symbolic than literal.

        https://i.imgur.com/5fX9j6r.jpg

        What is your favorite Argument AGAINST the Muhammadans/Muslims on their beliefs?

        Currently, mine is the "Jesus is a Muslim" argument, this makes no sense since according to Muslims it's an extremely broad term that means "One who submits (to the monotheistic God" so by their logic, Christians are also Muslims.

        Anyways, Muslims claim Jesus, his apostles, and everyone before him were Muslim, the issue is that Jesus and his apostles REPEATEDLY committed the worst Sin in Islam imaginable, Shirk. Jesus on several occasions claimed to be the Son of God, and even his apostles claimed that to be true. So therefore, Islam cannot be true.

        Jesus is a Muslim in a broad sense in that anyone who followed God's message is a Muslim.
        Even if the Bible definitively said Jesus was the son of God or a God himself it wouldn't matter because the Bible and other religious books is corrupted from the Islamic perspective.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Imagine believing the corrupted version of the Holy Texts lmao couldn't be me

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Imagine believing the corrupted version of the Holy Texts lmao couldn't be me
          yes, you believe the quran

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          >An old world prophet
          >Doesn't mention America once

          wrong messiah buddy

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          How do Muslims even reconcile the fact that the Dead Sea Scrolls show the Bible hasn’t changed much for more than 2000 years, and that the prophecies of Christ himself being crucified (rather than some random guy) are older than Christ?

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      It is true.

  2. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Islamic view of Jesus, who is supposed to be the Messiah but obviously failed. Also this whole tahrif thing.

  3. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    You leave 100 Islamic dollars as inheritance and almighty Allah, in His majestic intelligence, commands to share 112.5 with your family.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Could you give context for this?

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        If a Muslim dies and leaves behind two daughters, a wife and his parents. The daughters receive 66% of the inheritance, the parents 33% and the wife 12.5%.

        Which is more than the total inheritance.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          Infinite money glitch. israelites hate him!

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Currently, mine is the "Jesus is a Muslim" argument, this makes no sense since according to Muslims it's an extremely broad term that means "One who submits (to the monotheistic God" so by their logic, Christians are also Muslims.
        Even better, the earliest Christians called themselves followers of the Way, which, by the same logic, means we were taoists.

        Also, for the second most important being in the book(outside of God, of course), Muslims can't tell us one sermon of his.

        He is the Messiah, Spirit from God, Word of God, Sign and the Honourable, but the guy only has like 7 short quotes in the entire book, one of which is basically saying "No", and another is asking for a table from God.

        The Quran gives a formula for inheritance.
        But that formula gives more than 100% if you have 2 daughters, or some case like that.

        And islamic scholars have had to work it out by tweaking percentages, and every solution differs.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous
        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          Kek Allah can't even do basic math what a moron. I don't know how anyone can unironically be Muslim without grifting

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          Where in teh Quran it says this?

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            It's literally in the bottom of the image

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        does pretending not to know about the most straightforward blunder in all the quran count as masterful debate tactics in your mosque?

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's this.
      Or this

      My personal favorite is the Dhu-l Qarnayn problem, it's so fascinating and funny seeing the Olympic level of mental gymnastics that Muslims have to perform in order to tackle this issue.

      https://www.godreports.com/2022/04/efforts-to-deprogram-islamic-radicals-in-prison-are-failing/
      >Cerantonio is currently finishing a sentence in Australia for his participation with ISIS. He’s the uncommon jihadist, the scholarly radical who is fluent in Aramaic, linguistics and Arabic history. It was his profound study that led him to detect plagiarism in the Koran, a finding that made him realize the Muslim’s holy book originated from man, not Allah.

      >Specifically, he compared closely the fictionalized exploits of Alexander the Great with its counterpart version of Dhu-l Qarnayn in the Koran and realized the sheer linguistic evidence inclined heavily in favor of the Aramaic version being the original, not the Koran’s.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Show me the verses, this sounds too moronic, even for islam

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        They're given at the bottom of the image here:

        but I'll post them.

        >And for you is half of what your wives leave if they have no child. But if they have a child, for you is one fourth of what they leave, after any bequest they [may have] made or debt. And for the wives is one fourth if you leave no child. But if you leave a child, then for them is an eighth of what you leave, after any bequest you [may have] made or debt. And if a man or woman leaves neither ascendants nor descendants but has a brother or a sister, then for each one of them is a sixth. But if they are more than two, they share a third, after any bequest which was made or debt, as long as there is no detriment [caused]. [This is] an ordinance from Allah , and Allah is Knowing and Forbearing.

        >They request from you a [legal] ruling. Say, " Allah gives you a ruling concerning one having neither descendants nor ascendants [as heirs]." If a man dies, leaving no child but [only] a sister, she will have half of what he left. And he inherits from her if she [dies and] has no child. But if there are two sisters [or more], they will have two-thirds of what he left. If there are both brothers and sisters, the male will have the share of two females. Allah makes clear to you [His law], lest you go astray. And Allah is Knowing of all things.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        They're given at the bottom of the image here: [...] but I'll post them.

        >And for you is half of what your wives leave if they have no child. But if they have a child, for you is one fourth of what they leave, after any bequest they [may have] made or debt. And for the wives is one fourth if you leave no child. But if you leave a child, then for them is an eighth of what you leave, after any bequest you [may have] made or debt. And if a man or woman leaves neither ascendants nor descendants but has a brother or a sister, then for each one of them is a sixth. But if they are more than two, they share a third, after any bequest which was made or debt, as long as there is no detriment [caused]. [This is] an ordinance from Allah , and Allah is Knowing and Forbearing.

        >They request from you a [legal] ruling. Say, " Allah gives you a ruling concerning one having neither descendants nor ascendants [as heirs]." If a man dies, leaving no child but [only] a sister, she will have half of what he left. And he inherits from her if she [dies and] has no child. But if there are two sisters [or more], they will have two-thirds of what he left. If there are both brothers and sisters, the male will have the share of two females. Allah makes clear to you [His law], lest you go astray. And Allah is Knowing of all things.

        the funniest part is that there's a way to solve the math error, but it requires the complete overthrow of islamic tradition
        >https://yahya-j408.medium.com/inheritance-laws-in-the-quran-calculator-included-there-are-no-contradictions-8d8725f21

  4. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    I like to remind them picrel is a thing. They collectively pretend it doesn't exist, yet their biggest scholars endorsed it. Ibn Taymiyah, Ibn Kathir, An Nawawi...Rub it in their face all day, every day. Make them ashamed of their satanic cult.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      The hadith is weak. Sometimes weak hadith are used in fiqh for argumentative purposes

      https://www.icraa.org/a-false-hadith-the-prophet-kissed-the-genitals-of-his-little-grandson/

      The narration has been quoted with one or more chains of narrators by al-Tabarani[1], al-Bayhaqi[2], Diya al-Maqdisi[3], Ibn Abi al-Dunya[4], Tammam al-Razi[5], Khatib al-Baghdadi,[6] and Ibn Asakir al-Dimashqi.[7]

      Except for al-Bayhaqi and Tammam al-Razi, the isnad (chain of narrators) given by the rest includes Qabus bin Abi Zayban who has been graded as a weak narrator.

      Ibn Sa’d said about him: “There is weakness in him and he is not to be sought evidence with.”[8]

      Abu Hatim said: “He is not to be sought evidence with.”[9]

      Al-Nasa‘i said: “He is not strong.”[10]

      Al-Daraqutni said: “He is da’if [weak].[11]

      For this reason al-Nawawi (d. 676 AH)[12] and Ibn Hajar (d. 852 AH)[13] termed this report as da’if.

      Moreover, the chains given by al-Khatib and Ibn Asakir include, besides Qabus, another narrator, Muhammad bin Mazid bin Abi al-Azhar. This narrator is recognized as a liar and a forger.[14] After giving the narration, al-Khatib al-Baghdadi states:

      وهذا الحديث أيضا موضوع إسنادا ومتنا

      This hadith is a fabrication in both its chain of narrators and its content.[15]

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Islam apologists claimed that one narrator Qabus bin Abi Zayban is declared weak. But they don't tell that many Hadith Scholars declared this same person Qabus bin Abi Zayban to be Trustworthy too and accepted his Ahadith. Let us see those Scholars who accepted his Ahadith
        >Muhammad ibn Ahmad Adh-Dhahabi says: “Qabus is good (Hasan) in traditions.” [Tarikh-ul-Islam, Vol. 4 page 36.]
        >Nur-ud-Din Al-Haithami says: “Its chain of transmission is good (Hasan).” [Majma’-uz-Zawa’id, Hadith 15108.]
        >Yahya Ibn Sharaf An-Nawawi says: “Authentic (Sahih).” [Al-Majmu’, Vol. 2 page 47.]
        >Islamweb.net says: “Accepted (Maqbul).” [Al-Mu’jam-ul-Kabir, Number 2590.]
        >Muhammad Ibn Isa At-Tirmidhi says: “Good (Hasan), strange (Gharib).” [Sunan At-Tirmidhi, Hadith 1053.]
        >Al-Hakim An-Naisaburi says: “The tradition is authentic (Sahih) according to its chain, but the two (Al-Bukhari and Muslim) did not publish it.” [Al-Mustadrak Ala As-Sahihain, Hadith 6995]
        >Ibn Hajar Al-Asqalani says: “At-Tabarani reported it and it is a proof, that a little child has no nakedness to cover.” [Ad-Dirayah Fi Takhrij Ahadith Al-Hidayah, page 124]

        >Anyhow, this same tradition was also recorded from another chain of narrators by Ibn Abi Layla

        >All the narrators of this Hadith are trustworthy, except for Muhammad ibn Abi Layla.

        >Nevertheless, none blamed Muhammad ibn Abi Layla to be a liar. At maximum, they objected that his memory is not strong. But according to their own rules of Ilm-ul-Hadith, a Hadith cannot be rejected completely only on the basis of weak memory of one narrator.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          >That is why Ibn Kathir wrote in his book al-Badaya wa al-Nahaya:
          Hassan was the eldest one among his siblings and the messenger of Allah loved him so strongly that he used to kiss his penis. And while Hassan was a little boy, that is why he also sucked his penis with his tongue.

          >Ibn Qadama wrote in his Fiqh book 'Al-Mughani':
          According to Imam Zuhri and Imam al-Owza'ii it is not needed to do Wadhu (ritual washing) again after touching the penis of a small boy, and it is also also allowed to see and touch it. And it is narrated from the Messanger of Islam (saw) that he kissed the penis of al-Hassan and he didn't do his Wadhu again.

          >Ibn Taymiyyah wrote in his Fatwa book 'مجموع الفتاوی':
          Ahmad bin Taymiyyah said: The Messenger of Allah (saw) used to kiss the penis of al-Hassan.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >And Imam al-Nawawi wrote in his Fiqh Book:
            >“Some of the people of knowledge say: ,,The ablution is broken by touching one’s own penis excluding the other.” And I reply to these people with the proof of the tradition of Talq Ibn Ali, may God be pleased with him, that the Messenger (s.) was asked about touching from the penis in prayer, whereupon he said: “Should it be something other than a piece of you?” And through Abu Lailah, who said: “We were with the Prophet Muhammad (s.), whereupon Al-Hasan came rolling on him. Then he removed his shirt and kissed his penis.” And because he touched a part of his body,the ablution was not broken like the rest of the body parts and our companions prove it with the narration of Busrah and it is authentic (Sahih) just as we have submitted its explanation and in a narration Umm Habibah said: “I heard the Prophet Muhammad (s.) say: “Whoever touches his own private parts should perform the ablution.” Al-Baihaqi commented that At-Tirmidhi said: “I asked Abu Zur’ah about the narration of Umm Habibah, whereupon he considered it good (Hasan).” He said: “I saw him considering it as being preserved.” [Al-Majmu’, Vol. 2 pp. 46 – 47]

            >An-Nawawi takes the report as evidence
            >He does not reject the intimate kiss
            >He accepts that the Prophet (s.) kissed the part
            >He explains the intimate kiss in accordance with ablution
            >He proves the evidence through his companions
            >He confirms that it is authentic (Sahih)

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous
      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >What is your favorite Argument AGAINST the Muhammadans/Muslims on their beliefs? Islam
        Incest and pedophilia

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous
        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          Prophet Muhammad sex with Aisha

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous
  5. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    My personal favorite is the Dhu-l Qarnayn problem, it's so fascinating and funny seeing the Olympic level of mental gymnastics that Muslims have to perform in order to tackle this issue.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's this.
      Or this
      [...]
      https://www.godreports.com/2022/04/efforts-to-deprogram-islamic-radicals-in-prison-are-failing/
      >Cerantonio is currently finishing a sentence in Australia for his participation with ISIS. He’s the uncommon jihadist, the scholarly radical who is fluent in Aramaic, linguistics and Arabic history. It was his profound study that led him to detect plagiarism in the Koran, a finding that made him realize the Muslim’s holy book originated from man, not Allah.

      >Specifically, he compared closely the fictionalized exploits of Alexander the Great with its counterpart version of Dhu-l Qarnayn in the Koran and realized the sheer linguistic evidence inclined heavily in favor of the Aramaic version being the original, not the Koran’s.

      Can someone explain this, why is it a problem that Alexander The Great is mentioned with another name.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        It's not Alexander. The question that the israelites ask from Muhammad "who is the one with two horns?" is meant to be answered "Cyrus the Great" since the verse in the Book of Daniel says explicitly "the ram, THE ONE WITH TWO HORNS is the king of Persians and Medes". And only Cyrus the Great holds any theological significance to israelites to be used to check "divine messenger status".

        Now Muhammad's reply is inconclusive (just like the previous one about Ashab al-Kahf) but it's pretty obvious it fits with historical Alexander, not Cyrus.

        Obviously Persians try to wringe it into saying that Muhammad actually meant Cyrus, but the rest of the Muslims aren't so much into it. Turks even claim it's actually Bilge Khagan lol.

  6. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    That the end times are never given a specific date. Basically, it makes their religion boil down to 'I have a pink Lambo. I can't show it to you, and I won't tell you when I will show it to you, but I totally have it, trust me bro'.

    How people fall for this scam of a religion is totally beyond me

  7. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Hadiths seem like chinese whispers where one of the guys said Muhammad (pbuh) so now it's a chinese whisper with plot armor. I believe in God and the efficacy or virtuous conduct in this life and the next, etc, but the whole "It's a hadith so I esteem it greatly" is giving textual idol worship for me. I read the quran for the first time in 2022.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      All Hadiths are bullshit

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Weren't Hadiths written 200+ years after the death of Mohammed? How did they compile them? Like did they just take 200 y.o. oral anecdotes and assumed they were 100% true?

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          Semites love to memorise religious texts. israelites were doing the same with their oral law.

  8. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Either you believe that it's true that some guy talked to an angel in a cave 1500 years ago, or you don't. All else follow from that.

  9. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Look Allah told them to shoot RPGs close enough to my position to ruin 20 plus watches from the shock waves. Frick em I admit my bias as long as they aren't shooting at me I don't care.

  10. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >What is your favorite Argument AGAINST the Muhammadans/Muslims on their beliefs?
    The fact that Muhammad never saw or heard God in the entire Quran. Prophet my ass.

  11. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    If Jesus and the Bible is true, then that negates Islam by definition.

    Anyway, they only say that because they're a conqueror religion, so they pretend everyone is muslim. Doesn't really matter if it holds up

  12. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    God seems too involved in Muhammad's personal life. Such as making revelations about guests not arriving too early or staying too late at his house. In addition, the fact that no one else can marry his wives after he dies (which is contrary to his stated purpose of marrying them for the sole sake of offering protection)...hell even him being able to marry above the limit of 4.

    Shit like this is just ridiculous.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      then there's an entire surah in the quran cursing a bully of muhammad (abu lahab). the cope there is that even though abu lahab existed and ridiculed muhammad left and right, but this particular surah isn't about him but about the devil (whose wife, therefore, should be dragged into the picture, tied with palm fiber ropes iirc.)

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Damn, that's wild.
        Abu lahab has been turned into the devil and his wife gets a divine bdsm treatment.

        I haven't really studied Islam in depth, but I am going to start fairly soon. I wonder what I'll find ontop of all this.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          it's surah 111, 'Al-Masad', and it is quite short:
          >"May the hands of Abu Lahab perish, and he himself perish!
          >Neither his wealth nor worldly gains will benefit him.
          >He will burn in a flaming Fire,
          >and so will his wife, the carrier of thorny kindling,
          >around her neck will be a rope of palm-fibre."
          that's all, that's the entire surah. behold, the eternal, final word of Allah.

  13. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    I hate so much that I was raised a Muslim and that I didn't start doubting Islam until I was a teenager. All of the bad things about Muhammad were hidden from me, I didn' find out until I was an adult that Muhammad raped Aisha when she was 6 years old and 9 years old, and that Muhammad owned sex slaves who he raped daily. My parents know I am not a Muslim and they don't try to push Islam onto me since I'm an adult, but I specifically want to show my parents that Islam is a false religion but I can't do that because I don't want to ruin my relationship with my parents.

    I'm also really angry that my penis was mutilated when I was a toddler because of Muhammad and his lies.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >I'm also really angry that my penis was mutilated when I was a toddler because of Muhammad and his lies.
      No refunds.

      Your soul belongs to the israelites now.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Your soul belongs to the israelites now.
        Wrong. My soul is mine alone. My soul belongs only to me and only God can decide what happens to my soul.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Mohammed hated israelites

        Circumcision is a pan-Afro-Asiatic custom practiced from the Berber Maghrebis to the pagan Cushitics of East Africa

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          Who are these pagan Cushites you speak of?

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Tribes like the Irqaw and Sidamo

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      What religion are you now?

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Christian. I believe in Christian Universalism, so my family will go to heaven because they are good people, just like all other good people will go to heaven.

        There's no point in trying to convince them. Most people follow Islam because it offers a sense of identity and community. Not everyone is automatically obsessed with scripture and obtaining "truth". The main function of religion is social...that's what they get out of it.

        Islam ruins cultures. My parents are slightly Westernized in their world view, relative to Muslims in general, as they legally immigrated to the United Kingdom and became naturalized British citizens, but the country my parents came from (Sudan) is one of the worst countries in the world where misogyny and sexism and female genital mutilation is rampant. I am certain that the inherent misogyny and sexism and other negative things in Islam contributes to the overall savagery of Sudanese culture and other Islamic cultures as well.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Christian Universalism
          Heresy I'm afraid.
          John 3:16
          "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

          Convert your parents before it's too late

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Jesus will save all of my family, regardless of whether they believe in Him or not.

            >"This is good and acceptable in the sight of our God our savior; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come to the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus: Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.” (1 Tim. 2:3-6, KJV)

            >“The Father has sent the Son as Savior of the world.” (1 John 4:14)

            >Jesus “is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.” (1 John 2:2)

            >Jesus “did not come to judge the world but to save the world.” (John 12:47)

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Jesus will save all of my family, regardless of whether they believe in Him or not.

            Belief in Christianity is a choice, to say that Jesus will save regardless means he will go against Free Will.

            Jesus Christ has saved humanity by giving himself as a sacrifice, and whoever chooses to believe in him will be saved look at the quote again

            >"whosoever believeth in him should not perish"

            If everyone is saved by default then what is the point in faith? Or living a good, virtuous life. What about Satanists? Are they saved?

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          That's not because of Islam. It's because those particular people are savage due to a complex set of circumstances (a combination of nature and environment), and so they can only see Islam through that lens.

          Let's consider the Persians instead. They have always been the seat of civilization, and even today despite sanctions maintain a relatively advanced, sanitary, and literate society. In times past, Persia was the seat of scholarly learning and almost like a reservoir from which the greatest minds emerged. These people were Muslims as well, extremely so.

          The bio-spirit and blood of a people is far more reflective of their lived reality than a religion. In fact, often, a religion will take on characteristics to accommodate this reality, and mold and change like a living breathing thing. For instance, Christianity as practiced by African Christians and Europeans is significantly different.

          I would recommend reading Oswald Spengler for a more nuanced take on this. Yes, religion may play a 'role', but it's not the only thing, and to place it all on religion when one can think of examples of people's with the same religion who have achieved advanced civilizations on par with Europe if not at times superior to Europe (for e.g. Persians, Ottomans, Mughals, etc.) is quite a stretch.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            underaged.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Let's consider the Persians instead

            Iran is a theocratic shithole with widespread religious violence

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >>Let's consider the Persians instead
            >Iran is a theocratic shithole with widespread religious violence
            They still developed ballistic missiles carrying hypersonic glide vehicles before the USA

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >That's not because of Islam
            Corruption and violence directly correlate with Islam. It's an entire religion about dissolving the social fabric, forcing a tragedy of the commons upon everyone, and letting criminals get away with antisocial behavior.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      There's no point in trying to convince them. Most people follow Islam because it offers a sense of identity and community. Not everyone is automatically obsessed with scripture and obtaining "truth". The main function of religion is social...that's what they get out of it.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Religion isn’t all about truth. When I was a dawahgay I reeled in most of my converts with emotional manipulation, not logical reasoning. That part came after they mindlessly accepted the basic premise of Islam.

      I told them how much Allah loves them. I acted like a friend. I got them to tell me about their insecurities and hopes and fears. At the masjid we’d go out of our way to be friendly and approachable. I played emotional music while presenting the Quran. Women were easier targets than men, they’re naturally more interested in the supernatural and joining social circles and being validated for it. Married men were high payoff targets though, if you can convince a married father to covert his whole family will follow him. People in crises, isolated, lonely, or on the cusp of big changes were very pliable too.

      You almost never get into rigorous theological or philosophical arguments with these people.

  14. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >The Bible is corrupted

    “I thought the word of God is incorruptible?”

  15. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Christian: Who is Allah?
    Muslim: Allah is the only Creator.
    Christian: How many creators do you have?
    Muslim: One.
    Christian: Then why did Allah say he is the best of Creators?
    Muslim: Allah knows best?
    Christian: Can Allah lie?
    Muslim: No.
    Christian: Then why did he say he is the best of deceivers? Why did he deceive the israelites and Christians that Jesus died on the cross?
    Muslim: Allah knows best?
    Christian: Does Allah pray?
    Muslim: No.
    Christian: Then why did Allah say “May Allah forgive your sins” in the Quran?
    Muslim: Allah knows best?
    Christian: Is Allah almighty?
    Muslim: Yes.
    Christian: Can Allah come to Earth?
    Muslim: No.
    Christian: Then how is Allah Almighty?
    Muslim: Allah knows best?
    Christian: Can Allah have a son without a wife?
    Muslim: No.
    Christian: Is Allah Almighty?
    Muslim: Yes.
    Christian: Then how come Mary can have a son without a husband while Allah cannot have a son without a wife?
    Muslim: Allah knows best?
    Christian: Is the Quran created or uncreated?
    Muslim: Uncreated.
    Christian: Is the Quran eternal?
    Muslim: Yes.
    Christian: Is it the same as Allah?
    Muslim:...
    Christian: Allah knows best?
    Muslim: That’s right.
    Christian: How come the Quran will become a pale man on judgement day?
    Muslim: Allah knows best?
    Christian: Is the Quran perfectly preserved?
    Muslim: Yes!
    Christian: A tame sheep ate part of the Quran. The verse of stoning and adult breastfeeding is missing from the Quran.
    Muslim: We memorize that verse in our recitation.
    Christian: Recite the verse for us.
    Muslim: You islamophobic!
    Christian: Where is the stoning and breastfeeding verse?
    Muslim: You will burn in hell if you don’t believe in Allah and Muhammad!

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      While I disagree with Islam, these are moronic and purely polemical arguments. Come up with something better, please.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Not mine I copypasted it

        The Bible refers to many people as the son of God. Not just Jesus. So the wording there implies something more symbolic than literal.

        [...]
        Jesus is a Muslim in a broad sense in that anyone who followed God's message is a Muslim.
        Even if the Bible definitively said Jesus was the son of God or a God himself it wouldn't matter because the Bible and other religious books is corrupted from the Islamic perspective.

        There are different meanings to the term "Son Of God" the same way you call someone the "Father of Medicine"

        There is a big difference between "Son of God" and the "Only begotten son" Of God

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          That's like bringing a turd to the dinner table, and then claiming it's not a problem because you didn't produce the turd.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          Better yet, anon, it was recently discovered that it’s not “begotten” (mistranslation), but more like “unique.”

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yep. Unique, or one of a kind

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >moronic and purely polemical arguments
        And yet you're unable to address them, abdool.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Christian: Then why did Allah say he is the best of Creators?
      >Muslim: Allah knows best?
      Any person who creates is a creator. I just created this post. Ultimately, God is the ultimate and best creator because all creations and actions come from Him. He is who enables the rest of us to create.

      >Christian: Is the Quran eternal?
      >Muslim: Yes.
      >Christian: Is it the same as Allah?
      >Muslim:...
      If God is eternal, the word of God is also eternal.

      The rest of your points are either straight up moronic, or are references to Hadith. Hadith are not infallible, and you're referencing Hadith that's disputed. They also vary by sect.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        I think the issue he is trying to raise is the created vs uncreated nature of the Quran. If the Quran is the Word of God, then it cannot precede God, and must have been 'spoken' at some point, and this created.

        If it's uncreated, then it isn't his word, but more closely to his capacity for 'Speech' and eternal to him as an attribute he possesses (much like his many other attributes, all knowing, all merciful, all just). Then the Quran as we understand it must be a physical manifestation of an attribute of God.

  16. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    You do know that Muslims believe the Bible has been "corrupted" right? Any passage that says something Theydon't like is "obviously" an alteration/edit made by Paul or some there nefarious character in order to lead people astray.

  17. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Christians are not Muslims, muslims believe in Islam, Jesus was a muslim literally

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Jesus was a muslim literally
      How come we have absolutely zero evidence of any religion even vaguely resembling Islam before the 500AD?

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Islam before islam is just pure monotheism
        If you believe in pure monotheism then you are muslim if you lived before islam

  18. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Buddhist arguments against divinely authored or infallible texts cuts Islam down from the root. Basically, the same arguments they leveled at the Vedas and their proponents can be used to undermine the quran and then Islam crumbles from there

  19. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    So recently due to the current Palestine Israel mess, they claim that lots of people are converting to Islam and getting their heart conquered by Quran. So I decided to pick the Quran and... it seems like a big nothingburger to me. It's so confusing,vague and repetitive at times.

    >just read it in Arabic bro
    Yeah, like I'm going to learn and master a semitic language just to read one book. And why exactly is Islam so Arabcentric? Makes it look like Allah can only speak Arabic.

    No but seriously what exactly is so mind-blowing about this book? Then again in the Surah 2, it says:

    "Indeed, those who disbelieve - it is all the same for them whether you warn them or do not warn them - they will not believe. Allah has set a seal upon their hearts and upon their hearing, and over their vision is a veil. And for them is a great punishment."

    So basically if I don't find this book convincing is because Allah has sabotaged my brain?

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah it doesn't make sense. If God himself has set a seal upon your heart, then disbelief isn't a choice...and yet you are punished for it?

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Honestly the more I try to understand Islam, the more I get confused. Even when I asked muslims for explanations I always got different answers.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          Try to see it from a sociological and historical standpoint rather than a theological standpoint.

          Islam was invented as the glue to hold a loose confederation of clans and warbands together as they made use of a regional power vacuum to acquire power and wealth. That's all it is. If it doesn't make theological or metaphysical sense, that's because it only needed a very thin veneer of that stuff to appeal to clans that were israeli or Christian. If it has strong pagan elements, that's because it needed to also appeal to pagan clans.

          What Islam does is:

          1. It divides the world into Muslims (the in-group) and non-Muslims (the out-group), and sets up a system of morality where scamming, raiding, raping, enslaving and killing the out-group is allowed if it benefits the in-group. This helped Muhammed motivate his warriors to go claim glory and loot for him. There's one very funny hadith (a story narrated by Muhammed's companions) where Muhammed's men ask him if it's okay to rape captive women, and then, suddenly, Muhammed reveals a new verse of the Quran that says yes, raping captive women is allowed by God.

          2. It sets out rules that are useful for a society where warriors are of paramount importance. Islam stresses loyalty to authority; Muhammed once said that you must obey any Muslim ruler, "even if he is an Ethiopian with a head like a raisin". Dogs were made a taboo in Islam because Muhammed's armies had half-feral dogs following them and taking food from their camps. Alcohol and other intoxicating substances are banned ("khamr") because Muhammed's men had a habit of getting drunk before battles and making asses out of themselves in front of his enemies.

          Whenever you read about Islam, imagine you're a semi-nomadic war chief in early 7th century Arabia with a lot of enemies who's trying to forge a bunch of drunken, rapey clansmen into an army. Then Islam makes sense.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            I also noticed the incredible amount of cope that they put in order to prove to the "perfection" of the book.

            Like the infamous "semen comes from between the backbone and the ribbs"

            the copes were
            >well seminal vescicles as well contribute in the production of semen.
            too bad that they are located behind the bladder and not between the backbone and the ribs
            >it's actually about a woman's womb
            I don't even know what sort fo word twisting you have to do to reach this result.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous
  20. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    "But Muhammad, who will be saved?"

    "I don't know nuffin" "Maybe you'll be saved maybe not God is great booyah"

    "Muhammad, shall we go kill the unbelievers?"

    "Maybe you should, maybe you shouldn't, God ain't a snitch"

  21. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Drinking alcohol is bad
    >But when you die, heaven is a material paradise with tons of alcohol and other sinful things
    What is good or evil is arbitrary, since you can do all evil you want in heaven after death.

  22. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    If you take the Quran as the basis for Islam, then there are two major problems.

    1. The Quran is wrong about the physical universe. It's wrong about the way a fetus develops (it claims the bones come first, then the flesh), the way mountains work (it claims mountains prevent earthquakes), the way the sun and moon work (it claims the sun, moon and stars are lamps placed in the sky for the sake of humans, and that they revolve around us), the way the galaxy is structured (it claims the planets are closer to us than the moon), and so on. The Quran also claims the Earth is flat, and that the sun sets in a pool of water far to the west of Arabia (but close enough that some men in Muhammed's time said they had seen it happen).

    2. The Quran is not infallible. Most Muslims adhere to the belief that the text of the Quran is protected from all corruption or distortion by God. This does not track with the written record that we have. The oldest fragments of the Quran do not match the current version. Words and parts of sentences have changed between the Sanaa Quran (written down at some point before 669 AD) and the standardized Arabic Quran that we know today. In fact, we know the standardized Arabic Quran that we know today was compiled and edited by Uthman (who ruled the caliphate from 644 until 656 AD). The reason he had to do that? Because even at that time, less than 20 years after Muhammed's death, people in different areas of the caliphate were already reciting different versions of the Quran.

  23. 5 months ago
    Radiochan

    Muslims act like worthless barbarians in every country they emigrate to and their own countries are backwards shitholes. That's enough to refute it.

  24. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Holding the Quran separate from Allah because it has to be but then somehow the Quran is uncreated

  25. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    all the argument against the consumption of pigs pretty much demonstrated me that muslims know nearl nothing about this animal.

    >pigs don't sweat so they can't expel toxins
    neither chicken or any other halal animal (they actually do sweat but have a way less efficient system than us). And let's stop with this bullshit about expulsion of toxins, sweating is simply a way to cool down your body.
    >pigs are full of toxins because their filtering system is bad.
    pig's kidneys are actually very similar to human kidneys, so I guess they work just fine, and it's not true that they are full of toxins.
    >pigs carry bad disease like Cysticercosis and tape worm
    Cysticercosis is nearly extinct thanks to those damn kuffar. Tape worm (a parasite carried by halal animals as well) won't be a problem as long as you eat properly treated meat. I also don't know what makes muslim think that halal animals can't carry parasites and other disease. I'd say that in general any type of meat if not treated and properly cooked can become a health hazard
    >pigs have disgusting sexual habits
    Honestly judging animals sexual behaviour is pretty weird. Rabbits rape or eat their daughters when are barely infants yet they are halal. Every single animal on earth would be considered a complete degenerate if judged by human standards
    >pigs eat everything, including othe animals and insects
    not true, under human supervision they usually eat a protein rich diet derived from vegetable proteins, if left unchecked usually their first choice are grass and fruits, they can eat meat but it's not really their first choice unless they are starving. Also chicken eat insects, feces and in some cases they can even resort to cannibalism. Why are they halal?
    >Allah knows best and He said so.
    So basically muslims don't eat pork but they are not really sure why, yet at the same time they claim that Islam is perfectly logical and doesn't have any blind faith.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >pork
      I remember some time ago watching a video regarding Islamic dietary habits. Video was claiming that Pork was causing diabetes in the west, they obviously ignored the fact that pork is very low on carbs and diabetes is actually a major issue in Islamic countries (Pakistan and Turkey is more than 30%), they also ignored the fact that generally speaking westerns have better health and dietary habits than Muslims.
      I must say that it's admirable the ability that Muslims have to make up bullshit and make it credible.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Isn't Ramadan very bad for your health too?

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          Fasting itself is not a bad idea, problem is that Muslims just do it wrong.Once the sun sets they overeat and consume lots of sugary stuff, hence why they gain weight during Ramadan.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Christians should fast every once and a while too. Even though we aren't called to do it and are told not to do anything to show we're fasting, it's still talked about as something people do.

  26. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Anything involving Andrew Tate, really, given all the dawahtards that race to defend him no matter what he does
    >No you don't get it bruv being caught running camprostitutes and uploading clips where you broodily drink whiskey to Instagram isn't haram at all akhi, taqwa is a journey not a destination bruv we are all...

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Muslims will rush to defend Tate's human trafficking scheme but tell them he's gay and see how they all rage and condemn him to the lowest pit of Jahannam.

  27. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >What is your favorite Argument AGAINST the Muhammadans/Muslims on their beliefs?

    Gnostic bullshit.

  28. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Muslims are very insistent on the idea that Paul was a israeli secret agent sent by the Pharisees to derail Christianity into paganism. To me it's more absurd than the Christian view that Paul had a change of heart.

  29. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >What is your favorite Argument AGAINST the Muhammadans/Muslims on their beliefs? Islam
    Incest and pedophilia

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      What the absolute frick did I just read?

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  31. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    the pagan parts

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >the pagan parts

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            >the pagan parts

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        no the other part

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          >no the other part
          What?

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            53:19-21

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Joseph Smith tier shit

  32. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Western civilization believed in humility and valuing an objective external truth over the groups whims. among a couple other things, as a result, they had the scientific and industrial revolution and completely remade the world and they did not.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      arabic numerals tho

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Hindu numerals

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          tomato potato

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        we wuz numbas and shiet

  33. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    We are all sons of god, or in the Koine: "γιοι του θεού"

  34. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Who tf cares as long as they don't live here they can believe whatever they want I don't give a shit.
    Reconquista of Europe soon.

  35. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Shirk deals with associationism. Idolatry, not prophetism or incarnation.

  36. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    https://saispeaks.sathyasai.org/discourse/unity-and-purity-message-ramzan

    Read this if you want to understand what is a Muslim.

  37. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    My issue is how can I trust the author of the Quran when he says stuff like this?

  38. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Muhammad didn't exist.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Neither did Jesus. What exactly are you trying to say?

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