Islam Golden Age

The last time ancient cultures from the mediterranean sea and fertile crescent united to bring a period of peace and progress to the world...
Mesopotamia, Egypt, Tunisia, Africa, Spain, Magna Graecia, Crete, Syria, Judea, Persia, Hindus Valley, Arabia, Scythia, Sudan, etc., all united in a same empire under a same leader in a same civilization...

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  1. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    iga is more impressive than roman empire

  2. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Islam Golden Age walked so that the Spanish Empire could run

  3. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    I don't get why Islam is being discussed on Oyish. It seems like nothing good comes out of the discussions, and it just devolves into insulting the faith. Wouldn't it be better for every side to be civil and friendly? Having a respectful discussion of the differences between religions. Instead of condescending remarks.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/u491nP3.jpg

      The last time ancient cultures from the mediterranean sea and fertile crescent united to bring a period of peace and progress to the world...
      Mesopotamia, Egypt, Tunisia, Africa, Spain, Magna Graecia, Crete, Syria, Judea, Persia, Hindus Valley, Arabia, Scythia, Sudan, etc., all united in a same empire under a same leader in a same civilization...

      >Thread starts with Europe bad - muslims good pic
      >Why do you anons want to insult muslims?
      Gee, anon, it's truely a mystery for the ages.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      Here is a (You) newbie, you dont click or read bait threads about homosexual and troon dont you? Hide a post and move on moron.

      This is how the muslim rulers of AlAndalus looked like. You MENA´s don´t look like this at all. AlAndalus rulers were basically germanic (visigoth) after generations of having visigothic mothers that were kidnapped from the north).

      You are browns, you have nothing to do with AlAndalus rulers. It was a white man´s civilization.

      Kidnap? Surely at the start, Spaniard royalty did intermarry with Muslim nobles as times went on. Al Andalus was truly both an anomaly, a weird history and a truly fascinating read.
      El Cid/Campeador story being my favorite, but putting that aside people in those times were less arbitrary but as most things go, when you get weak you are bound to be picked upon and Spaniards rigthly did their reconquista as the Muslim did originally their own conquest. Giving one of the most powerful Kingdom and later Empire of the world.
      Sometimes I truly wonder what would happen if Spain was taken back by Christians without massive repopulation like the Muslim orginally did. Just new management.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Surely at the start, Spaniard royalty did intermarry with Muslim nobles as times went on.
        LOL. I have read all the books and chronicles about AlAndalus, even muslim chronicles. No one say that stupidity that they intermarry. Literally a christian marring a muslim?? Are you moronic? Or a christian converting in order to marry? FAKE NEWS.

        El Cid was a proud christian and hated muslims. He had an issue with the christian king and just to show how able he was as a warrior and as a general he side ONCE with the muslims (not with the arabs but with the WHITE EUROPEAN Emir of the Taifa of Valencia of Slavic origin). After showing how warlike capable he was, the King perdoned him and went back to kill mudslimes.

        There are red-haired people in Iran too.

        Fake redhead. And what I am trying to imply is that the Emirs of Granada were basically 90-95% white (75% white European+20% white bereber+whatever).

        This is literally painted in the Alhambra. And yes, they were whites (nothing nafri/mena in them).

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          Why should their race matter at all? They were Muslims and they did not believe in the divinity of Jesus Christ. The Moorish soldiers who did most of the effort in conquering the Iberian peninsula, Sicily, and other parts of Europe were not of Arab descent either, but rather of primarily of Berber descent and only recently converted into Islam.
          Even if they happened to be, as you claim, white Europeans, the clothes they wore, the religious ceremonial centers they built, the food they ate, the poems they composed, and the education they received was unlike that of Christian people living north of the Pyrenees. When people received punishments, they were not punished under "WHITE EUROPEAN" law, and when people were forced to pay taxes, they did not pay them in accordance to "WHITE EUROPEAN" customs. Even the games they played, like chess (as seen in the image you posted before) were not originally invented by "WHITE EUROPEANS".
          It might be difficult for you to accept this, but people in Al-Andalus lived, spoke, and acted in a way that would be alien for you as a person living in the contemporary world, but then again, if you were taken back to the Middle Ages to see how people living in the Christian kingdoms in Spain in the Middle Ages, you would notice that the way they behaved and spoke was quite unlike the way people behave and speak in Spain nowadays.

          The point of the matter is that culture is determined by place and time, not by genetic composition, and that no group of people's culture has survived the passage of time perfectly intact.

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          Richard liomheart offered to marry his sister to salladin's brother in exchange for the brother converting to christianity

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          I looked it up and the emirs of gernada had an Arab origin but they probably mixed with germanics

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          >El Cid was a proud christian and hated muslims.
          Yet lead armies of Christians and Muslims in battle, got himself the name El Cid from Muslims and was generally a based guy to be both loved and respected by all in Christian and Muslims alike.
          You cherry picked your reading and sources, its a known fact that people in Spain were less arbitrary and married, helped and fought for political and tactical advantages. Both Muslims and Christians against anf with themselves.
          El Cid did let his liege lord be invaded by Moorish invasion while he was chilling in Valencia. He even took the Valencia from his Liege and kept for himself.
          So much for someone who "hated" muslims.

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Fake redhead. And what I am trying to imply is that the Emirs of Granada were basically 90-95% white (75% white European+20% white bereber+whatever
          >60% iberian bug 25% berber mulatto 10% white (visigoth)

          >White

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          >i've read every book ever written about Al-Andalus

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      Turns out pushing your religion to the forefront while simultaneously quenching criticism of it by means of threats and violence makes people irritated and lash out against and turn away from you.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      Oyish is more accepting of different opinions i find, as much as "accepting" can get in Oyish guess.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      I’m just mad T Muslims for trying to spam their garbage YouTube content on here. I didn’t think the quality of an already shitty site could get worse, but then you all proved me wrong.

  4. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    This is how the muslim rulers of AlAndalus looked like. You MENA´s don´t look like this at all. AlAndalus rulers were basically germanic (visigoth) after generations of having visigothic mothers that were kidnapped from the north).

    You are browns, you have nothing to do with AlAndalus rulers. It was a white man´s civilization.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      There are red-haired people in Iran too.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        The prophet himself was red haided too, pic related is his descendant.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      The we wuzzing is cringe from both sides

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      The ruling class was E-M81 and they were closer to other Semites than to Iberians whom they looked down upon as nothing more than IE cattle only fit to work their fields, if males, or warm their beds, if females.

      # A tibble: 9 × 4
      pop1 pop2 est se
      <chr> <chr> <dbl> <dbl>
      1 Spain_Islamic_Zira Basque.HO 0.0102 0.00150
      2 Spain_Islamic_Zira BedouinA.HO 0.00694 0.00140
      3 Spain_Islamic_Zira BedouinB.HO 0.0260 0.00156
      4 Spain_Islamic_Zira Berber.WGA.HO 0.0187 0.00165
      5 Spain_Islamic_Zira Dinka.DG 0.128 0.00197
      6 Spain_Islamic_Zira Jordanian.HO 0.00588 0.00152
      7 Spain_Islamic_Zira Syrian.HO 0.00840 0.00153
      8 Spain_Islamic_Zira Yemeni.HO 0.0104 0.00160
      9 Spain_Islamic_Zira Yoruba.HO 0.133 0.00181

      Closest popuations to Andalusians:

      Jordanians > Levantine Bedouins > Syrians > *GAP* > Basques > Yemenis > Berbers > Arabian Bedouins > *Massive Gap* > Dinkas > Yorubas

  5. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    They advanced math and science but caused stagnation in philosophy and the arts.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      >caused stagnation in philosophy and the arts
      Many of the great Islamic philosophers came from places that had never been exposed to Greek philosophy prior to the rise of Islam, like Persia and Mesopotamia.
      Nowadays people refer to philosophy as anything related to a person's way of thinking and their opinions, but academic philosophy, in the tradition of Plato and Aristotle, did not exist for most people in the world prior to their contact with Greek people. The writings of philosophers like al-Kindi and Averroes introduced rationality to people who had been accustomed to regarding divine revelation as the only source of true, definite knowledge about the world. Logic, the method of analyzing propositions and revealing truth or falsehood in an argument by checking whether every part of it is consistent, was unknown to the Bedouins of the great desert, and it was only in the Islamic Golden Age, with the flow of translations and commentaries of works by ancient Greek philosophers that it began to be known by them.
      In fact, many of the arguments used by Scholastic theologians in the late Middle Ages were recycled from the works of these Islamic philosophers, who united metaphysics as known to the ancient Greeks with the claims of Abrahamic religions. Even israeli philosophers, such as Maimonides, took some cues from their Muslim counterparts.
      The "floating man" argument invented by Avicenna, which preceded Rene Descartes' own "cogito ergo sum" (I think therefore I am) by 6 centuries, is but one of many examples of how Islamic thinkers were capable of coming up with unique thought experiments.

      Philosophy in the Islamic world was not "stagnant", at least no more than it had been since the Hellenistic period. It was full of vigor in those times, quite unlike in the Western world at the same.

      Islamic architecture and decorative arts, I believe, require no explanation in order to be appreciated.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        > In fact, many of the arguments used by Scholastic theologians in the late Middle Ages were recycled from the works of these Islamic philosophers, who united metaphysics as known to the ancient Greeks with the claims of Abrahamic religions.
        As far as I’m concerned, scholasticism was as stagnant as the work that inspired it. I have respect for Al-Ghazali, but I think he was doomed to fail by trying to respond to Aristotlelians in their style, but I can hardly fault him for that.
        > The "floating man" argument invented by Avicenna, which preceded Rene Descartes' own "cogito ergo sum" (I think therefore I am) by 6 centuries, is but one of many examples of how Islamic thinkers were capable of coming up with unique thought experiment
        This is actually something Im a little familiar with. The notion of “cogito ergo sum” predates both men by centuries. There are also some key differences in those thought experiments and what their intentions were that I think make it clear why Descartes was able to advance the field from the stagnation Avincenna, Averroes, and Aquinas caused.

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          In my opinion, the true break between classical and modern philosophy was marked by Francis Bacon, not by Rene Descartes, since what Descartes did was to let metaphysical speculation keep going, except starting from a much lower starting point and less ideas taken for granted, whereas Francis Bacon dictated the use of thorough observation and induction as the means towards discovering the truth.

          Then again, the point of the post I made before was to assert that speculative philosophy did exist in the Islamic world and that philosophers there were not just tied to making commentaries on ancient works. Even though they did not propose any radically new or unique philosophical systems or ideas, the way they contributed to philosophy was the same way all of Plato and Aristotle's followers had since antiquity, which was by writing works on subjects of their interest and using quotes from great classical works to give substance to their arguments. If Islamic Golden Age philosophy was stagnant, then so was most Hellenistic philosophy and everything written in the West till the 17th century.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            >If Islamic Golden Age philosophy was stagnant, then so was most Hellenistic philosophy and everything written in the West till the 17th century.
            I'd actually agree. The Roman period was more or less a philosophical wasteland, so the middle ages were better than that, but not by much.
            Also, Roger Bacon advocated for empiricism centuries before Francis was born, and he was just making explicit what earlier Islamic scientists were practicing.
            Getting rid of those ideas that had been taken for granted allowed for genuine progress to be made in metaphysical speculation, which is in my opinion the most important part of philosophy. My favorite philosophers of the 20th century are those that continued to do work in metaphysics despite the claims various thinkers (Heidegger, Wittgenstein, the positivists, etc.) made that they had ended it.

  6. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Muslim Spain
    >church with a cross raised high
    I know this is bait but at least pretend to try next time

  7. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    right has more SOVL than left

  8. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    The right looks so much more impressive than the left though

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