Is there any demonstrstion that the Logos/Word of God is God itself other than bible verses?

Is there any demonstrstion that the Logos/Word of God is God itself other than bible verses?

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  1. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Like what? An experiment? A government ID?

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      An explanation of how the Word can be God.

      My "word" is an expression of myself. Only because I am imperfect is my "word" imperfectly expressed.
      If I am perfect, and can perfectly express my "word", then my word IS me.

      >My "word" is an expression of myself.
      Right, but it's not you.
      >If I am perfect, and can perfectly express my "word", then my word IS me.
      Why? Seems like a non sequitur.

      Leviticus 25:44-46

      I'm not looking for Bible verses, as I said.

      Yes, it's called a dogmatic teaching of the Church.

      And what is the explanation for how the Word can be God?

      • 7 months ago
        Ο Σολιταίρ

        >Right, but it's not you.
        it IS me, but it is a "separate entity" from myself.
        it's both.
        Thus the "persons" of God.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          >it's both
          Doesn't this violate logics? Saying A=B (the expression of you is you) and A=/=B (the expression of you is a separate entity from yourself).

          • 7 months ago
            Ο Σολιταίρ

            No.
            Two clones (identical twins), for example, are the same in expression but are different entities.
            This is not directly analogous, but you saying that this violates logic is wrong.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            They are the same in expression because they have the same characteristics, right? Two identical entities. But is your word identical to you? No, right?

            If the Logos was not consubstantial with God could I do ... this?

            *Lands a triple reverse backflip with a high side Ollie*

            Consubstantial is not the same as identical. In "the Logos is God", the relation is of identity, no?

          • 7 months ago
            Ο Σολιταίρ

            >Two identical entities. But is your word identical to you? No, right?
            My word IS identical to me if it is perfectly expressed, while still being a distinct entity.
            We think of authors; their words are an extension of themselves; but it isn't their person*
            The only reason we don't think this exhaustively is because human authors can't actually perfectly* express themselves.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >My word IS identical to me if it is perfectly expressed
            >We think of authors; their words are an extension of themselves
            Words are an extension of themselves, and thus a part of them, right? A part of something can't be identical to the entirety of something, right? So why do you say that your word is identical to you (if expressed perfectly)?

          • 7 months ago
            Ο Σολιταίρ

            why do you refuse to allow mutability of human language?

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            I don't get what you mean.

          • 7 months ago
            Ο Σολιταίρ

            obviously words are not "parts" of someone like a limb is part of someone. They are an expression.
            >So why do you say that your word is identical to you (if expressed perfectly)?
            what?

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >obviously words are not "parts" of someone like a limb is part of someone. They are an expression
            Why? To me it would seem less strange the words being seen as parts of the entiretity of the authors than seen as the authors themselves.
            >what?
            You said "My word IS identical to me if it is perfectly expressed", and I just asked why.

            Look down the street

            What?

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Why do you insist on precision when my beliefs depend on equivocation and semantic conflation

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            "Consubstantial" is how it's expressed in the Nicene Creed ... Daddy-O

  2. 7 months ago
    Ο Σολιταίρ

    My "word" is an expression of myself. Only because I am imperfect is my "word" imperfectly expressed.
    If I am perfect, and can perfectly express my "word", then my word IS me.

  3. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Leviticus 25:44-46

  4. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, it's called a dogmatic teaching of the Church.

  5. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    It was revealed to me in a dream.

  6. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    If the Logos was not consubstantial with God could I do ... this?

    *Lands a triple reverse backflip with a high side Ollie*

  7. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Direct knowledge. Direct experience. You do things that are conducive to that or you can keep asking questions which cannot fulfil your desire and aims. The former is better than the latter.

  8. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Look down the street

  9. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Logos= organizing principle
    God=the organizing principle

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Where did you take this definition of Logos from? And of God?

      We have to challenge what "Logos" means. In Greek, it translates as "the word", but it should really be thought of as "the law" or "the order". Obviously, assuming God exists, then he's the source of the original and ultimate order which all other orders derive from otherwise he would not be the God.

      The order and the "source of the order" are not the same, right?

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      I think "Logos" is worth of the intersection of "logic" and "language" - it's reasoning but it can necessarily be communicated, so it's exoteric (although possibly hard to understand, and hard to accept).

  10. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    We have to challenge what "Logos" means. In Greek, it translates as "the word", but it should really be thought of as "the law" or "the order". Obviously, assuming God exists, then he's the source of the original and ultimate order which all other orders derive from otherwise he would not be the God.

  11. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >you cannot get past this guy's sword
    >suppose you added one that would let you take as much time as you need

  12. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    If it is 'of God'... god is mysterious

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Agreed, it's of God but not God.

      I think "Logos" is worth of the intersection of "logic" and "language" - it's reasoning but it can necessarily be communicated, so it's exoteric (although possibly hard to understand, and hard to accept).

      Still diferent than God, right?

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        "Logos" is not a synonym for "God", any more than "reason" is a synonym for "human". An important relationship is strongly suggested.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          So you agree that the Word is not God, right?

          Logos : The reward of deep think

          Not God, right?

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >So you agree that the Word is not God, right?
            >In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
            I would infer from this that the Word (Logos) is God, as a third of the Trinity, consubstantial with the Father, as confirmed at Nicea.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            I asked for a demonstration that the Word was God which was not Bible verses. You said that Logos is not a synonym for God but that there is a relationship between the Logos and God like there is a relationship between "reason" and "human" (a "human" has "reason"). So "reason" is not "human. In the same way, the Logos would not be God, from your logic.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            I asked for a demonstration that the Word was God which was not Bible verses. You said that Logos is not a synonym for God but that there is a relationship between the Logos and God like there is a relationship between "reason" and "human" (a "human" has "reason"). So "reason" is not "human. In the same way, the Logos would not be God, from your logic.

  13. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Logos : The reward of deep think

  14. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Sorry for the double post. Oyish is working strange.

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