Is there any demonstration that the Word/Logos is God (besides quoting John 1:1)?

Is there any demonstration that the Word/Logos is God (besides quoting John 1:1)?
Note that I'm not talking about a relationship between the Logos and God other than of identity.

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  1. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    The Word is Jesus, God the Son. Not identical in person with God the Father, which is the question you seem to be alluding to.

    John 1:2
    He was with God in the beginning.

    John 1:14
    The Word became flesh and made His dwelling among us. We have seen His glory, the glory of the one and only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.

    John 8:58
    "Truly, truly, I tell you," Jesus declared, "before Abraham was born, I am!"

    John 17:5
    And now, Father, glorify Me in Your presence with the glory I had with You before the world existed.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      I meant besides quoting any Bible verse.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        >"prove X."
        *proves X*
        >"no, not like that!"
        You already been shown bible verses and the last time you posted this I showed you where it was the official teaching of the Church. What other kind of proof do you need? It sounds like you just refuse to believe it, which is fine, but either state your case why you don't believe it or gtfo. Either believe the evidence or don't, but don't whine about the correct answer.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          My point in that the Logos and Yahweh are different, so I don't wan't just a text saying "it's declared that the Logos and Yahweh are the same".

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Also, no, a declaration is not a proof.

            So what do you want? A radar scan of God?

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            A demonstration that Logos and God (Yahweh) are the same defining them and explaining the sources for the definitions.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            What demonstration? Are you asking to see them?

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            No, I already explained it. I'm asking for a textual demonstration that they are the same.

            So you want a definition, but the word of God and the word of his Church are not enough.

            The Bible and that Catholic document you posted in

            [...]

            don't define Logos. The Bible just establishes a relation of identity between the Logos and God. My point is exactly looking for a demonstration of that. And you'd also have to demonstrate that the Bible is the word of God anyway.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >textual demonstration
            but ... not text as in declaration ....

            Also, no, a declaration is not a proof.

            soo.... text without declarative authority leaves us with .... ? What?

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Define Logos in Greek. Define Yahweh. Prove they are the same. All I asked.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Read the Corpus Hermeticum.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            What is the content there that demonstrates what I asked?

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            So you want a definition, but the word of God and the word of his Church are not enough.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          Also, no, a declaration is not a proof.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Also, no, my question is about God (Yahweh).

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        >YHWH
        >I am
        He did mention that.

    • 7 months ago
      JWanon

      >God the Son

      Verse ?

      >He was with God in the beginning

      Indeed, he is God's first creation

      >The Word became flesh and made His dwelling among us. We have seen His glory, the glory of the one and only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.

      Yes, Jesus is the Son of God, we knew that already

      >"Truly, truly, I tell you," Jesus declared, "before Abraham was born, I am!"

      Grammatical nonsese. He said "I have been", not "I am". He is referring to his pre-existence in heaven

      >And now, Father, glorify Me in Your presence with the glory I had with You before the world existed.

      Jesus is the firstborn of God, the Bible often stresses the importance of firstborns. So of course he would be glorified, he is in fact the most exalted of creatures

  2. 7 months ago
    Dirk

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