Is the bible a case of "it was good for it's time" or is it a case of "it was never good." The characters can barely be said ...

Is the bible a case of "it was good for it's time" or is it a case of "it was never good." The characters can barely be said to have any sort of personality. The plot is winding, scattered, and a mess of retcons because the writers kept changing. The themes surpass My Immortal in petty anger, self-jerk off, and revenge fantasies against perceived wrong doers who are all cartoonishly evil and moronic. Even devote fanboys will tell you the book is boring and they struggle to read it cover to cover even once.

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  1. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    The bible (Torah and Quran) are used to instill general moral and societal guidelines for the masses. It still has good stuff in it and Western society is overwhelmingly influenced by it. The book itself is incredible in just how badly it is written.
    Except the Hawaiian Pidgin version, that version of the bible is fricking amazing.
    Behold, The Lord's Prayer.

    God, you our Fadda. You stay inside da sky.
    We like all da peopo know fo shua how you stay,
    an dat you stay good an spesho,
    an we like dem give you plenny respeck.
    We like you come King fo everybody now.
    We like everybody make jalike you like, ova hea inside da world,
    jalike da angel guys up inside da sky make jalike you like.
    Give us da food we need fo today an every day.
    Hemo our shame, an let us go fo all da kine bad stuff we do to you,
    jalike us guys let da odda guys go awready,
    an we no stay huhu wit dem fo all da kine bad stuff dey do to us.
    No let us get chance fo do bad kine stuff,
    but take us outa dea, so da Bad Guy no can hurt us.
    [Cuz you our King, You get da real power,
    An you stay awesome foeva.] Dass it!

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Hawaiian Pidgin version,
      >Dis book tell bout Jesus an his ancesta guys. He da Christ, da Spesho Guy God Wen Send. He from King David ohana, an David, he from Abraham ohana.

      Holy shit.

  2. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    The Bible is not a novel.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      /thread

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        Okay so it has no aesthetic value. Got it.

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          >only novels have aesthetic value
          Go. Back.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            Now you're moving the goalposts. The only reason to say "the Bible is not a novel" in response to the OP is to say it doesn't have the function of being art.

  3. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    >The characters can barely be said to have any sort of personality.
    I think this is a dumb point. The Bible was never meant to lay out the personalities of the people because they’re not the focus. It’s supposed to be a historical account.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      It actually fails worse at being a history book than being a novel.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        Most history books from antiquity fit that bill.

  4. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    I don't know about the old testament, but as a scholar of classics who does not believe in christianity, coming upon the new testament is such a refreshing experience.
    Yes it is written in bad greek from desert madmen, but it comes off as asuch an incredibly powerful book. Jesus is more radical than almost all of ancient philosophers, without having their depth (philosophically) or logical skills. He speaks for the innumerable masses of slaves, poor workers, submitted people we never hear about in classical books - written by kings, kings proteges, and for kings. Even his vocabulary is so strange: his metaphors revolve around fields, agriculture, cattles, fishing - activities in which the vast majority of people engaged in and from which the material survival of the population depended, but which were delegated to people who had no voice whatsoever in ancient world: they had very little to no literature, no history, and were barely even recognized as subjects, despite being the absolute majority.
    Jesus comes and tells you that the human experiement now has to do with YOU - the slave, the shepard, the fisherman, the farmer, the sick man in the street, the prostitute - not with your king, your priest, your state. The kingdom of heavens reframes everything: existence (and its inherent misery for most of us) needs to be re-framed as part of a larger kingdom to come. This longing for justice we all feel, for liberation from material misery, for a peace of the body and the mind, is not for nothing: it exists as a call of humanity towards a greater kingdom to come, where this liberation is accessible to all. No human material is wasted.
    I am not christian but this is an incredibly powerful message to give in a world where the majority of people lived in misery and had no voice, even if it comes across through a badly written book, and it is still extremely powerful, considering that the vast majority of us still lives in misery and have no voice. It is no wonder that this founded a world religion.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      >deeper than all ancient philosophers
      >Buddha: dude you don't exist, its just an illusion
      >Jesus: if you worship me you'll get into my celestial themepark

      Kek

  5. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    the voice of God is your thoughts you dumb ape

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      When did he mention the voice of god? Meds

  6. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    holy 'gits

  7. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    >The characters can barely be said to have any sort of personality.
    I know this is bait, but come on. Jacob doesn't have a personality? Joseph doesn't have a personality? What about Samson? How the hell does Samson not have a personality?

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      Most people in this thread complaining about it probably haven’t actually read it.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        If you're not entertained by Samson murdering 30 people to steal their shirts, I don't know what to tell you.

  8. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    the bible is great not because of its dead letters but because of its living interpretation, therefor it is eternal and will remain alive till the end of time. One thing the israelites got right but christians and muslim got wrong is that the word of god is not final it is not the end it is only the beginning a seed that must die.

    >Hagar, slave of Sarai, where have you come from, and where are you going?” - genesis 16:8

    >You are the God who sees me,” “I have now seen the One who sees me. - genesis 16:13

  9. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    It was never good. Compared to contemporary Greek and Roman literature, it's dull and unedifying.

  10. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    You try making characters this rich with barely any exposition. This is Logos at work.

  11. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    >When He had made a whip of cords, He drove them all out of the temple, with the sheep and the oxen, and poured out the changers’ money and overturned the tables.-John 2:15
    This right here is a whole chapter's worth of material. "He made a whip of chords". He didn't buy one at the whip shop. He didn't have one handy. He gathered raw materials and sat there for at least an hour and made a weapon from scratch. Where did he learn this skill? Should we flashback to that? Was he angry by the time he chased the moneychangers out? I don't think so, if he was sitting there crafting a weapon. This is a deliberate, cool headed guy, not impulsive.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      The issue though is that it IS a chapter's worth of material. But there is no chapter. There's a single line, and that's it. Are we meant to fill in the blanks? The entire Bible feels very empty to me. Lots of statements, but little reasoning or rational for it.

      Anyways, I've made a whip-of-cords before too. And yes, it is a meticulous process, so you are not wrong to say that it is not something you do without care. A proper flogger with a wooden handle, and made with several ropes does take only one afternoon to make, but it certainly does require you to sit down and make it.

  12. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Fundamentally, the writer of this book was deliberately writing falsity as if it was true, in order to be obeyed. He was fabricating stories and morals, but specifically to undermine the already present moral framework. For example, Moses is said to be speaking against Egyptian society, just as Jesus is speaking against israeli/Roman society. As if society did not already exist and have a culture, a way of life, a system of rules and morals.
    Due to the nature of how it structures itself, it is more than a mere moral tale. It uses a built-in punishment/reward system meant to get people to not only believe it, but to convert others.

    I would vote that it was never good. The stories themselves are well known, but if you were to rewrite the entire story of Jesus into a novel, it would end up feeling really weird and tangled, confusing, uninspired, and generally silly, even if presented as 100% fiction. And trying to write the Torah into a novel is just nonsense. There's nothing there. You can try to massively extend parts of it, like the whole Moses story, the way they did that animated movie, but realistically, most stories are only one or two pages long. The entirety of Genesis is one page. There's just not much to go on, and it's written with the assumption that you're being brainwashed into a cult, so it makes tons of very direct statements as if they were facts, but without a literal belief in the prophecies, it just look very primitive and illogical.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      The simpler answer is you're a homosexual. It's always a variation of this answer. Especially on this site where people aren't hiding so much.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      it's about math you dumb homo

  13. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why did he think its the greatest book ever? He believes it was authored by 40 random sandpeople, not God.

  14. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    The Bible is full of characters or states, where the reader can assume one of these states at any given moment, with the goal being to assume the state of Christ.

  15. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    It was never intended to me just one book.

    It's a collection of smaller books written by different people at different times for different reasons.

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