Is it true Mary came close to being proclaimed a co-redemptrix during a certain period of the Catholic Church?

Is it true Mary came close to being proclaimed a co-redemptrix during a certain period of the Catholic Church?

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  1. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    She already is the mother of god for them, which is bad enough.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Mary is the Mother of God. You are promoting the teachings of Nestorius (a heretic) by saying otherwise and seperating the natures of Christ.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Mary is the mother of Christ but not the mother of God's other two persons.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Is Jesus God?
          Yes.
          >Is Mary the mother of Jesus?
          Yes.
          Ergo, Mary is the mother of God.

          Why can't pr*testants even Trinity?

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          partialism

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Partialism is obviously true to anybody not committed to the extremely dumb Athanasian Creed, which directly contradicts scripture
            >Jesus: the Father is greater than I
            >Catholics: lalala I can't hear you my tradition says you're wrong

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          And Christ is God.
          Even the most bold Marian devotee (St Louis Marie de Montfort) recognizes Mary as the daughter of the Father & spouse of the Holy Ghost. Because that‘s simple truth.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >spouse of the Holy Ghost
            what?!

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            This is an extremely low quality post. What are you even asking? Why couldn‘t you even use capitalization?
            The child Jesus was conceived by the Holy Ghost, as plainly described in the gospel.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            The more I learn about Catholics the more blatant the idolatry is. You even say YHWH has a wife who is the Queen of Heaven. The exact 100% thing Jeremiah condemned, down to the titles.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >The more I learn about Catholics the more blatant the idolatry is.
            It's very bad

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Come to think if it, would a Catholic even call this idolatry? On what grounds? According to them Buddha still consciously exists and could intercede with God for them. Presumably God wouldn't consider his intercession very weighty but he could still ask.

            (Catholics in fact used to do so calling him St. Josaphat until they realized Josaphat was a garbled version of Buddha)

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yes, with their own logic, there should be no problem praying to Buddha to ask him to pray for them, etc.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Just wait until you hear about the Bride of Christ.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            awesome can I build a statue of her to bow down to too?

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      They already call her co-redemptrix.

      Most Prods do as well (at least the Reformers did), you pretty much can't deny she's the mother of God without being a Nestorian (funnily enough the Nestorian Church isn't even Nestorian anymore) or worse, an Arian.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >They already call her co-redemptrix
        No they don’t.

        >Is Jesus God?
        Yes.
        >Is Mary the mother of Jesus?
        Yes.
        Ergo, Mary is the mother of God.

        Why can't pr*testants even Trinity?

        You can make a better argument that that.
        >Why can't pr*testants even Trinity?
        Being a smug redditor doesn’t help your argument. *pic related*

        Mary is the mother of Christ but not the mother of God's other two persons.

        What is true of Christ at his death is true of Christ at his birth.
        We as Christs affirm our God died (gave his life) for our sins on the cross.
        Did Christs divinity die on the cross? No.
        Did Christs humanity die on the cross? Yes.
        Did Mary give birth to the uncreated nature of the Son? No.
        Did she give birth to the human nature of God the Son? Yes
        Ergo she is the mother of God.
        What it true of his death is true of his birth.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          *We as Christians affirm

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          >You can make a better argument that that.
          That's literally just my argument with more words.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Essentially but it’s a lot clearer and leaves less room for “yeah buts…”
            Also again next time don’t be so smug.
            Protestants are good people and you read like a redditor who just converted last week when post shit like that.

            When Christ's humanity dies while his divinity does not die, how are his natures not separated?

            In my own words, I think I would say that they are distinct but not seperate. What one experiences so does the other as they are truely united.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          When Christ's humanity dies while his divinity does not die, how are his natures not separated?

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          So why does God bother making God the Human (Jesus) if he was going to be born via immaculate conception and the guy could straight up perform miracles? I'm aware other prophets could perform miracles like raising the dead, but isn't being born "good" just some self-fulfilling prophecy and defeat the point of being human?

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >So why does God bother making God the Human (Jesus)
            I reject that wording entirely.
            You mean “why did God the son incarnate?”
            Answer, in order to have a fully human nature.
            >if he was going to be born via immaculate conception
            I don’t understand how does him being immaculately conceived invalidate his human nature?
            How else was God supposed to get a baby into Mary?
            >and the guy could straight up perform miracles?
            Yes, the whole God thing remember.
            >I'm aware other prophets could perform miracles like raising the dead,
            They could “perform” them by God doing it in their behalf.
            >but isn't being born "good" just some self-fulfilling prophecy
            That doesn’t make sense to me, you would need to explain your objection.
            >and defeat the point of being human?
            If he wasn’t perfectly moral then the penal substitutionary atonement wouldn’t have been possible.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            My objection is to why God chose to be born of someone without original sin if he wanted to have the "human" experience. It's cheating, especially since he can perform miracles of his own free will. Why not manifest himself directly? Do you really believe Jesus was tempted in the desert, or was it the tempter who needed to see for himself Jesus was the son of the Almighty.
            Your "penal substitutionary atonement" language suggests Jesus was above the rest of humanity, which is not a problem since he's God, but why bother becoming a "God-like" human?

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          >no they don’t
          Lots do already, it just isn’t endorsed or a dogma

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      The BIBLE calls her "Mother of the Lord"
      Ergo, she is Mother of the Lord. We have no need to go beyond the Bible.
      Jesus Christ is God the Lord. But as it has been pointed out, Mary didn't bear the Father or the Holy Spirit.
      Christ also ontologically has no mother, being uncreated; unlike us, who ARE created in part by our mother, and then the breathe of life given us from God.

  2. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Impossible to tell it’s a counter-factual.
    The closest I’ve ever seen someone to pull the co-redemptrix line would be Palamas when he pretty much said that when Mary was living in the 2nd Temple (the only account of which is a condemned forgery) he obtained gnosis and built a way to heaven, looked back at us lowly sinners felt bad and planned a way to help us out by getting God to incarnate.
    >The all-pure Virgin threw off those ties [of earthly matters] from the very beginning of her life, and withdrew from people.” She escaped from a blameworthy way of life, and chose to live in solitude out of sight of all, inside the sanctuary [the Holy of Holies in the Temple].
    >There, having loosed every bond with material things, shaken off every tie and even risen above sympathy towards her own body, she united her mind with its turning towards itself and attention, and with unceasing holy prayer.
    >Having become her own mistress by this means, and being established above the jumble of thoughts in all their different guises, and above absolutely every form of being, she constructed a new and indescribable way to heaven, which I would call silence of the mind.
    Intent upon this silence, she flew high above all created things, saw God’s glory more clearly than Moses, and beheld divine grace, which is not at all within the capacity of men’s senses, but is a gracious and holy sight for spotless souls and minds.
    >Partaking of this vision, she became, according to the sacred hymnographers, a radiant cloud of the truly living water, the dawn of the mystical day, and the fiery chariot of the Word.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Cont.
      >No one was capable of putting an end to this impulse which brings destruction on all men alike, or to the uncheckable rush of our race towards hell
      >When the Holy Virgin Maid heard and understood this, she was filled with pity for humanity and, with the aim of finding a remedy to counteract this great affliction, she resolved at once to turn with her whole mind to God
      >She took it upon herself to represent us, to constrain Him who is above compulsion, and quickly draw Him towards us, that He might remove the curse from among us

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      *she obtained

  3. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    I love that our Lady just lives rent free in protty's heads lol. Only communist heathens hate Christ's mom.

    Ave, Maria!

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >"maybe we shouldnt call Mary 'Mother of God' and treat her like an idol"
      >Protestants HATE Mary!!!!

      why do cathodox think this way, honestly?

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        because this was already settled in 451 AD at the Council of Ephesus. If you disagree with the council, count yourself anathema.

        why do prottys think this way, honestly?

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          It originated because a crap ton of peasants got to read the Bible for the first time and saw it didn't say anything about the intercession of saints. They didn't understand their own religion before then. It wouldn't surprise me if plenty of them had weird ideas about saints that would have been considered heretical for a priest to hold. Protestants decided to emphasize the saints because they felt people were a bit too into them, and the reasoning was forgotten about over time. That same suspicion is still there though.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Martin Luther was a doctor of theology,as were Calvin and Wycliffe

  4. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Where did you get this claim from?
    It would help so that I can look at what the evidence for this claim is

  5. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    By calling Mary "Mother of God", it seems to me that may be denying Christ's humanity.

  6. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Joseph is next

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Jesus. Holy. Christ.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Raphael Bizmann
      Dios mio...
      El Abominacion de las Americas.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        reminds me of Mexican israelites with names like "Alberto Rosa-Hanukkah"

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous
  7. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Not close. They did declare that. It's in the catechism. They twisted what Irenaeus said about her and made her an idol.

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