Is calvinism pagan? > According to J.

Is calvinism pagan?
> According to J. Duncan Spaeth, "Wyrd (Norse Urd, one of the three Norns) is the Old English goddess of Fate, whom even Christianity could not entirely displace."

Calvinism brought a return to the old germanic/early English belief of pre determined fate. This is how you get brave men, by understanding what you can and can’t change. Dealing with anxiety or scared as shit? Deal with it. It’s no wonder that calvinist cultures were the most successful, and less pointless revolutions.

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  1. 8 months ago
    Dirk

    Calvinism is not fatalistic

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's never what it obviously appears to be, according to Calvinists. It's always more convoluted and intricate and a thousand systematic theologies and catechisms must constantly hash it out to explain one point.
      While the Gospel is simple and not at all mysterious. It wouldn't be Good News if it was this much of a maze.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      The audacious boldness and fluid, reflexive ease with which Calvinists lie about their religion is truly breathtaking and confirms every accusation I've ever heard about hardline protestants being spiritually indistinguishable from Muslims.

      • 8 months ago
        Dirk

        Read the confessions

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      Prove it.

      • 8 months ago
        Dirk

        Westminster Confession of Faith 9.1

        God hath endued the will of man with that natural liberty, that is neither forced nor by any absolute necessity of nature determined to good or evil.[a]

        a: Deuteronomy 30:19, Matthew 17:12, James 1:14

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      If God has already decided whether or not you will be saved before you sin, then yes it is fatalistic.

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        God doesnt tell them though, does he?

      • 8 months ago
        Dirk

        What's your definition of fatalism

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          a fem fatal, what I see you as 🙂

  2. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's a got an element of Gnosticism to it as well. Or at least the same elitism. Where you're declared one of the Elect by inexplicable means, regardless of what you do or how you live or following any of Christ's actual commands, and declared one of the elite, much like achieving Gnosis. Just replacing gnosis with Justification.

  3. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Calvinist countries are being flooded with Black folk and third worlders as we speak and Calvinists are among the most zealous supporters of Isn'treal

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      Christianity has never remained pure from pagan influences, so Calvinism is no exception, but I think this connection is a stretch.

      Generally it’s Evangelical Arminians who support Israel, because of the Arminian proclivity to accept dispensationalism and dual covenant theology. But they are often conservative zionists, like Peter Ruckman.

      It's never what it obviously appears to be, according to Calvinists. It's always more convoluted and intricate and a thousand systematic theologies and catechisms must constantly hash it out to explain one point.
      While the Gospel is simple and not at all mysterious. It wouldn't be Good News if it was this much of a maze.

      Yes, exactly.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      not true

  4. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Is calvinism pagan?
    No, it's just the logical conclusion of God being omnipotent.
    If God wants something to happen, it will happen, and if he doesn't, it won't.

  5. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Calvinism didn't start in Germany or England OP, they were Lutheran

    • 8 months ago
      Dirk

      German regions were instrumental in the reformed movement.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reformed_Alliance?wprov=sfla1

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        I'm trying to point out that OPs proposal is a massive stretch

  6. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Catholics and all traditional Christians believe in single predestination, so if this line of argument is true that would make all of them pagans as well.

  7. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Calvinism brought a return to the old germanic/early English belief of pre determined fate
    Pre determined fate isnt exactly a new concept in a faith or as a take on Christianity.

  8. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Calvinism brought a return to the old germanic/early English belief of pre determined fate.
    Calvin was a French peasant. There is nothing English about Calvinism, it was popular among English dissenters, but most of England became Anglican.
    >This is how you get brave men, by understanding what you can and can’t change.
    No, this is how you get rabid zealots that suck off the religious energy of a nation and dechristianize it after 2 centuries of foaming-at-the-mouth piety.
    >It’s no wonder that calvinist cultures were the most successful
    Lmao.
    >and less pointless revolutions.
    But a lot more pseudo-Judaic speculation.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's very funny to see how former Calvinist nations that were extremely severe and serious about their faith just get tired of it after a while and soon after lose all religious fervor.

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        >just get tired of it after a while and soon after lose all religious fervor
        In pretty much every case (Netherlands, Scotland, New England) it's because they got into an autistic purity spiral.

  9. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Definitely not, a major theme in Protestant discourse in the early modern period was that the Catholic church was infected with pagan rites and traditions that were unbiblical. Puritan writers routinely criticized the belief in fate or fortuna explicitly as it pertained to things like gambling and luck rituals. They believed that the idea that fate was a "force" in the world that men could interact with or appease was blasphemous and of pre-Christian origin

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