>In the broader historical context, it is accurate to say that the Muslims were successful in maintaining control over Jerusalem and the Holy Land.

>In the broader historical context, it is accurate to say that the Muslims were successful in maintaining control over Jerusalem and the Holy Land. The Crusades, while involving periods of success for the Crusaders, did not result in a permanent establishment of Christian rule over the territories in the Levant. Over time, the Crusader states in the region faced numerous challenges, and by the end of the medieval period, Muslim powers, particularly the Mamluks, successfully defended and regained control over the territories.
So, the so called Christians got BTFO by the so called Muslims in the end.

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  1. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's less surprising that the effort ultimately failed after two centuries and really remarkable that a collection of highly decentralized feudal polities were able to act in concert as if they were one power for so long and so seriously delay Moslem expansion. Christians reconquered Palestine, Syria, and large parts of Asia minor for a long time thanks to the crusades. Without that we could have seen an Ottoman situation develop much sooner. Not trying to be a sore loser about it or anything, but if you're going to say Christendom was "BTFO" it should be placed in context.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Thank you for your input me good sire.

      > Following the Battle of Maysalun, Gouraud allegedly went to the Tomb of Saladin, kicked it, and said: Awake, Saladin. We have returned. My presence here consecrates the victory of the Cross over the Crescent."

      There is no historical evidence or record of Henri Gouraud having any involvement in the tomb of Saladin after the Battle of Maysalun.

  2. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Christians never won a single war against Islam prior to 1800s

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      That's wrong otherwise Europe and Africa would be all Muslim.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Byzantium
      >Crusades
      >Reconquista
      >Malta
      >Lepanto
      >Vienna (twice)
      That's just off the top of my head.
      Back to school Abdul.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        This homie really said byzantium as a victory against muslims
        Also most crusades were failures/Christian defeats

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Byzantium
          Yes, it BTFO Muslims several times, even at its weakest. It resisted two major Arab sieges, it forced the Umayyads to pay tribute, it beat back the Abbasids, it clawed back territory under the Macedonian dynasty etc. All this before the First Crusade btw. And one of its emperors was known as the "White Death of the Saracens"
          >Crusades
          Don't even get me started Ahmad. Just one Antioch showed the great disparity between Christians and Muslims.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Yes, it BTFO Muslims several times
            They still lost the war
            >it forced the Umayyads to pay tribute
            That was a peace treaty because the arabs were at civil war, al waled restarted the annual raids
            >it beat back the Abbasids
            They didn't, they were paying tribute
            >And one of its emperors was known as the "White Death of the Saracens"
            Wow this guy must've kicked out the arabs from the levant and restored Christianity in the region, oh wait, he only conquered frontier backwater regions like crete and antioch and his only actual actual accomplishment was sacking Aleppo?

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            From todays perspective the heathens lost "the war". Just look at the state of their nations today, those without oil are dirt poor and those with oil got oppressive and murderous regimes ruling over them. Still, they are a persistant threat to civilisation, i give them that. Just today its not a Saladin but a screaming idiot with a suicide belt.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Christianity is a dead religion, they're literally holding gay parades in churches, the only people who go to church are the pisspoor people in subSaharan Africa

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >lost the war
            800 years of history is not "the war" Hashim. You're getting ahead of yourself. And it was steppe Turks who conquered Byzantium. The same Turks who cucked your mighty Abbasids who did retreat with the tails between their legs, although led by their greatest caliph.
            If you want more Christian heroics, we can talk about the Spanish and Portuguese btfo'ing every raft Muslims managed to put to sea, or the Americans who rekt the Barbary states in the early XIX cenrury.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Turks were muslims you moronic cuck homosexual
            We arent talking about arabs here or whatever, we talking about islam vs christianity

            point being? They still won what they won. Islam could not prevail in warfare against Christian Europe. That has been proven time and again.

            Christianity could not prevail in warfare against muslims as historical christian lands are forever lost

            Did you just change the narrative to make the Reconquista a Muslim win? 1492 wasn't that long ago.

            He is comparing the muslim reconquista vs the christian reconquista
            The muslim was much faster and effective despite facing other problems at that time

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Turks were Muslims
            Tell that to my favoritenTVRK, Amir Temür.
            You really need to learn your history Hamza.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Temur was an half mongol giga abomination mutt and everybody know he was probably not a real muslim

            You can just replace European with Christian in this context and you know that. Or do you think the Portuguese were devout Muslims

            Muslim took lands from christians that never got recovered by christians till this day

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Muslim took lands from christians that never got recovered by christians till this day
            You can say the exact same thing about Christians taking land from Muslims. What's your point?

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Except no ?
            The Levant, Anatolia, Egypt where chrisrian but are muslim now
            You could say that iberia and balkans were reconquered but it was always consteted lands and there is still a lot of muslims in the balkans

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            t. seething s*l*fi
            Your Islam stronk narrative falls apart upon close scrutiny, because after the initial outburst you became the steppe's plaything and cum dumpster. Turk and Mahometan were synonymous in European historiography for centuries. But it started centuries before the Ottomans even existed. If you want to know more, keep replying.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >steppe plaything and cum dumpster
            Most of those steppe guys were muslims, you literally talking about a muslim vs muslim situation
            Only the mongols and timurids werent muslim among those steppe invaders

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >timurids weren't Muslim
            >Golden Horde didn't convert after 1 generation
            >Ilkhanate didn't convert after 2 generations
            ok I'm being trolled by historylets. bye.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            The muslim world considerd those guys to be fricking fake muslims you moron
            You are the historylet here

            You missed my point.
            Islam doesn't make you better at war. Horse archers do.

            >le horse Archer meme
            Redditor detected

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >muh muslim world
            literally who cares what the average ayyrap or poorsian thought? Turks and Mongols ruled because they were better at war, not because they were more pious Muslims. You're taking credit for their achievements and calling them not real muslims. Does not compute.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >knows his arguments are shit
            >try to play the race/ethnicity card

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            You missed my point.
            Islam doesn't make you better at war. Horse archers do.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            The turks deafeted the romans after the arabs cut 90% of their power, and no the "byzantine reconqusta" is a meme.
            >although led by their greatest caliph.
            Pretty sure harun al rashid wasn't around in 1517

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >1517
            South Asian incels keep taking credit for the millennial steepe Türk rape of MENA holy land. kek.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >They still lost the war
            Which one? There are literally dozens of them.

            >crusader states
            >only controlled Jerusalem for like 50 years, the rest of the their ~150 year existence is fighting for their survival against any random Muslim strongman.

            >MUSLIM INVASIONS OF SPAIN, ANATOLIA, BALKANS
            >Spain majorly Muslim for 300+ years
            >Balkans for 400+ years
            >Anatolia... Is now a Muslim republic of turkey

            It's joever...

            majorly Muslim for 300+ years
            for 400+ years
            By the same standard the Crusader states were actually victorious because they held the Levant for a century.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Not the same standarts
            Crusades only lasted a century while the muslim holdings lasted for way longer

            The emirate of fraxinet in southern France lasted a century too but you dont seem to care about it

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Not the same standarts
            How are the Crusader states, which were large, viable and organised any different from other large viable states?
            >emirate of fraxinet
            So are we taking literal outposts as our standard now? I guess the English really did BTFO Persia because they had a trading outpost in the country.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            It was a literal muslim base lauching raids every year towards north italy and the Rhone Valley
            It wasnt just a trading outpost

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >It was a literal muslim base lauching raids every year towards north italy and the Rhone Valley
            So, it acted exactly the same as any outpost would? European trading outposts and even city quaters were militarily armed and capable especially Early Modern ones. The British outposts in Persia didn't just trade, they made military threats on behalf of their government, they got concessions. No different from the Portuguese traders in India who would be capable of taking land and holding it against the Mughals.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Why are you talking me about fricking europeans you race obsessed moron
            Im talking about islam vs christianity, not MENA vs Europe

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            You can just replace European with Christian in this context and you know that. Or do you think the Portuguese were devout Muslims

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Islam VS Christianity was MENA VS Europe.
            Historically speaking.
            Yes I'm counting the schismatic Armenians with Europe, fight me.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            The byzantines literally got destroyed by muslims and crusaders lost the majority of the crusades

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            point being? They still won what they won. Islam could not prevail in warfare against Christian Europe. That has been proven time and again.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        You actually took the bait? Didn't even mention Russia beating up Turks n Persians so badly that English n French had to eventually intervene against them

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          I only mentioned the more obvious ones. The Russian-Ottoman wars deserve an entire thread, and they were mostly Russian wins.

  3. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    > Following the Battle of Maysalun, Gouraud allegedly went to the Tomb of Saladin, kicked it, and said: Awake, Saladin. We have returned. My presence here consecrates the victory of the Cross over the Crescent."

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >My presence here consecrates the victory of the Cross over the Crescent.
      The great irony here is that Christianity would be doing a lot better in the Near-East if the Ottomans were still ruling it. The Christians in the formerly Ottoman territories have suffered a great deal on account of the West.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Also muslims lives in the near-east would be a lot better if christinaity were rulling it since their souls would no longer be condemned to hell for devil worshipping.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          I agree, but if your best "Christian" alternative is the modern West then you may as well just content yourself with Mohammedan rule.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            The modern west is simply the end times described in apocalypse. There's nothing christian about it. Islam is the religion of the beast so the two(decaying west) will be intertwined soon enough

  4. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    So, Spain is still Muslim? riiiiiight

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      I don't get it. יְרוּשָׁלַיִם is the Holy Land, not Spain.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      genetically speaking, yes
      those mutts are gonna get replaced by MENA immigrants soon anyway

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Spanish genetics are 7x closer to Russians then they are to Morroco

  5. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    In the end the British(christians) conquered and defeated the mohamedans

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >the British(Jews)
      fify

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      > Following the Battle of Maysalun, Gouraud allegedly went to the Tomb of Saladin, kicked it, and said: Awake, Saladin. We have returned. My presence here consecrates the victory of the Cross over the Crescent."

      Colonial empires(maybe except the Spaniards and portuguese) were run by an alien entity, israelites, free mansons, reptilians whatever. white Christians were only canon fodder.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        You are racist and therefore not christian

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          Malcolm X was a racist, and therefore not a Muslim. But by the end of his life he changed and stopped being a racist. He became a real Muslim.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          How am I a racist? Also, I'm not Christian

  6. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    What took them so long, they had the hometown advantage and Crusaders largely depended on tourist volunteers

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      https://rwsanythingbutright.quora.com/More-the-importance-you-give-to-religion-less-the-IQ-you-have-IQ-map-of-the-world-No-offence-to-ordinary-religious

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >crusader states
      >only controlled Jerusalem for like 50 years, the rest of the their ~150 year existence is fighting for their survival against any random Muslim strongman.

      >MUSLIM INVASIONS OF SPAIN, ANATOLIA, BALKANS
      >Spain majorly Muslim for 300+ years
      >Balkans for 400+ years
      >Anatolia... Is now a Muslim republic of turkey

      It's joever...

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Spain is more like 500 year of muslim rule

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Did you just change the narrative to make the Reconquista a Muslim win? 1492 wasn't that long ago.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah retaking you're home 500 years later isn't exactly a win, that's just salvaging your dignity.

          point being? They still won what they won. Islam could not prevail in warfare against Christian Europe. That has been proven time and again.

          The only successful "Christians" against Muslims were the savage half-moor spaniard and the barbaric crypto pagan Normans. Even then, never really taking much but peripheral Muslim provinces.

          The Muslims conquered and raped so many Christians, the Muslim heartland became located in former Christian hovels lmao

          >Not the same standarts
          How are the Crusader states, which were large, viable and organised any different from other large viable states?
          >emirate of fraxinet
          So are we taking literal outposts as our standard now? I guess the English really did BTFO Persia because they had a trading outpost in the country.

          >emirate of fraxinet
          >So are we taking literal outposts as our standard now? I guess the English really did BTFO Persia because they had a trading outpost in the country.
          The French emirate is equivalent to any random shithole crusader state. The crusader states barely even function as proper states, they only survived off subsides and migrant bands of psychotic Christians, their psychosis not lending itself to battle, hence their quick and decisive annihilation by the Muslim Hand.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >they only survived off subsides and migrant bands of psychotic Christians
            Good to know you have absolutely no idea about what you're talking about.
            >hence their quick and decisive annihilation
            Yea, it only took 100 years.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >you're
            Opinion discarded.
            Muzzies can't fight and apparently they can't spell either.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Reminder that Crusaders predicted Hitl0r and held Jerusalem for 88 years

  7. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Muslims took 60% of christian land, Europeans (The british) retook it but not in the name of Christianity. Lets just be clear, if europeans left christianity....

  8. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    This is your Prophet Muhammad ( مُحَمَّد ), Messenger of Allah ( الله ).

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      And this is your Prophet None (),
      Messenger of Nothing ().

      Enjoy your meaningless life!

  9. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Weird to think that an Armenian like Saladin would end up destroying the Outremer kingdoms.

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