>in a world without God and the Bible, there'd be no reason to not steal, murder, rape & pillage

>in a world without God and the Bible, there'd be no reason to not steal, murder, rape & pillage
Why do Christians make this argument when it comes to moral behavior and what is right and wrong? Does that mean the only thing stopping people who make that argument from turning into a psychopath is a book written thousands of years ago?

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  1. 5 months ago
    Dirk

    Who are you quoting?

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Surely you've seen people on here make that argument, Dirk. Don't play ignorant.

      • 5 months ago
        Dirk

        Only sarcastically. The actual argument is that moral facts require an objective grounding such as the Bible provides, not that moral facts can only be known by reading the bible.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          This is true, the moral grounding is also not real and completely imaginary.

          • 5 months ago
            Dirk

            Relativism is self refuting

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          So in so many words, nothing is stopping you from raping and murdering except the bible telling you it's wrong (unless God orders you to do it)?

  2. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    most of them are to autistic to get people are usually averse to that in a stable society, which is why they get extremely flustered when you show the majority of really religious states tend to also have severe problems with theft, murder, rape, and pillaging

  3. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    I don't believe in God and don't do it because I have empathy and don't wish to cause harm. I am moral on my own accord, I don't need an observer with threat of punishment to act moral. Perhaps you do though.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      most people do. however, sometimes, just sitting back and non-intervention could potentially harm you and you will be looked at as a pushover. empathy only goes so far.

  4. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Does that mean the only thing stopping people who make that argument from turning into a psychopath is a book written thousands of years ago?
    Yes.

  5. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why, yes. Are you a woman by any chance?

  6. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    show me where common sense comes from and I'll tell you.

  7. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Does that mean the only thing stopping people who make that argument from turning into a psychopath is a book written thousands of years ago?
    Yes and it doesn't even do that most of the time

  8. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's just pilpul to invalidate legal systems that predate Christianity. Like how communists bury pre-revolution cultures so they can pass themselves off as the only answer to societal problems.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Christianity and communism haven't actually had institutional power for awhile now. who's to say that a world founded on reason and science won't have its limits as well?

  9. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Morality is an evolutionary trait that makes us function better as a group. There is no evolutionary purpose for murder, unless it is advantageous for thriving.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      actually its a mix of both.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        mix of both what

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          okay, let me explain it to you slowly: humanity is neither founded on cooperation or selfish gain but a healthy mix of both, humans must not seek their own advantage but not so much that they cannot discern between someone who helps and someone who hurts.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Of course, people mock the evolutionary hypothesis because morality isn't perfectly tuned for survival of our species, but that's not how evolution works. Morality is just a heuristic which on average gives better survival results than not having it.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            people also assume science and religion can't co-exist which is both a product of fundamentalism on one hand and Nietzschean last men on the other hand.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            I guess they can but you need to appeal to personal experience for religion. For arguments for or against God from reason I think agnosticism is the only rational view.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            it might be but humans are not always rational (nor do they have to be as emotions and sentiments are always a part of human experience, like it or not). of course, theocracies didn't really care about personal experience when relating it to overarching law, as the concept of the individual wasn't really a thing until the age of reason.

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