If you followed Christianity properly and took everything it says to heart, you would give up on life and do nothing but live as a hermit and worship ...

If you followed Christianity properly and took everything it says to heart, you would give up on life and do nothing but live as a hermit and worship God 24/7, because it tells you life on this Earth is basically pointless and that this world is "evil".

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  1. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    It is evil.

  2. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    >If you followed Christianity properly and took everything it says to heart, you would give up on life and do nothing but live as a hermit and worship God 24/7, because it tells you life on this Earth is basically pointless and that this world is "evil".
    No, you would also preach it do to the Great Commission, and take care of your fellow man because God expects us to love them as well, and the Bible says to love in deed, not word.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      >and take care of your fellow man because God expects us to love them as well
      this doesn't follow. Atheists can engage in philanthropy, too. Will that cause them to be saved? Of course not
      Charity is like a nice thing you christians can do, but that's all it is. The only thing that matters is praying to god constantly and affirming your faith. Good deeds only matter insofar as they ultimately serve to reinforce your devotion to god. They cannot constitute independent positive acts.
      Face it, you belong to a misanthropic death cult.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        I never said that good deeds are what saves you, I said that if you follow Christianity properly, you will do good deeds.

        >Dear children, let us not love with words or speech but with actions and in truth.
        John 3:18

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          a good deed is only something which glorifies god. Helping people doesn't do that, so therefore philanthropy cannot be a "good deed" per the bible. It's just one of a number of wholly arbitrary actions you can perform while you're "trapped" here on earth awaiting salvation.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            >If anyone has material possessions and sees a brother or sister in need but has no pity on them, how can the love of God be in that person?
            >John 3:17

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            this is all just biblical dicta. Charity cannot constitute an independent moral good, a thing which is good irrespective of what god says, because god is the sole good in the universe, everything that is good is so by proximity to god, not because of any inherent quality of the thing itself.
            The only way charity could come to constitute an independent moral good is if it is ratified by god, which you are trying to prove is the case via your bible quote, but in fact this cannot be the case because, as I said previously, charitable atheists do not go to heaven. This means god has not ratified charity as an independent moral good. It is only good if it is proximate to him.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            >everything that is good is so by proximity to god, not because of any inherent quality of the thing itself.
            This but the opposite. A thing is close to God because it is good.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            then god is not all powerful, because he is subordinated to an independent moral evaluation system

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            Your logic seems twisted and ill supported. Good things are good because they are declared good by God. The only objective meaning is what God says it is. We have our opinions, but that's personal and not subjective. God is objective because he is omnipotent. If he says something is good, it is good.

            Charity can be good, but it can also not be the only requirement to winning God's approval. Doing good does not erase the evil you do after all. The best a human can do on their own is do more good than ill.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Charity can be good, but it can also not be the only requirement to winning God's approval
            now you're trying to implement this weird moral calculus thing to explain it away, but it doesn't work.
            Take a hypothetical atheist who does very few if any morally wrong things during his whole life, not counting his lack of belief in god. Let's say this guy, in addition to not committing any evil acts, spends every waking hour engaging in charity.
            Will god look at this hypothetical atheist and see that, on balance, he has done nothing but good things and decide to let him into heaven? No. Because their is no calculus. You either glorify god or you go to hell.
            So again, only those things which glorify and affirm your faith in god are morally good, and everything else, charity included, is worthless.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            Except that contradicts Jesus telling us to do charity, thus making it wrong about it being worthless. If I'm going to trust Jesus or a random person on the internet who is probably not a Christian on what God wants, I'm going to trust Jesus.

            >What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them? Suppose a brother or a sister is without clothes and daily food. If one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about their physical needs, what good is it? In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.
            >But someone will say, “You have faith; I have deeds.”
            >Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by my deeds. You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.
            >You foolish person, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless? Was not our father Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did.
            James 2:14-22

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            Just to clarify, I know this is James, not Jesus. But it is accepted as scripture and is relevant to the discussion.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            I already said this shit is all dicta. It's great and all that your magic israelite book says "chairuhtee iz gud!" but it doesn't stand behind these claims, making them irrelevant fluff.
            If a serial killer can be forgiven by god and receive salvation through faith but a morally perfect atheist will go to hell, then saying anything other than faith alone matters is a farce, because even assuming that there is a moral calculus involved, the weight accorded to moral acts is so low as to be negligible, and the value accorded faith is so great that there might as well not be any calculus to begin with.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Was not our father Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar?
            Also, this goes to my other point that things are only good when they glorify god, and that the underlying act itself has no intrinsic value one way or the other.

  3. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I have become sounding brass or a clanging cymbal. And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, but have not love, it profits me nothing.-1 Cor 13:1-3

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      I have never met a Christian on Oyish who loved anyone.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      Oof

  4. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Not true. Christianity has never taught this.

    We are required to work.
    >For even while we were with you, we gave you this command: "If anyone is unwilling to work, he shall not eat." (2 Th 3:10)

    Everything created is good:
    >For every creation of God is good, and nothing that is received with thanksgiving should be rejected, (1 Tim 4:4)

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      >For every creation of God is good
      Then why do Christians hate so many things?

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        Because Americans are moronic

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Then why do Christians hate so many things?
        Because most self-proclaimed Christians are either doing it for cultural reasons or to justify their own beliefs. It lets them feel superior and gives them a rock solid justification.

  5. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Abraham was a friend of God, and he attained wealth and warriors under his command.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      That's for israelites only, goy

  6. 6 months ago
    Worker

    >If you followed Christianity properly and took everything it says to heart, you would give up on life and do nothing but live as a hermit and worship God 24/7, because it tells you life on this Earth is basically pointless and that this world is "evil".
    Absolutely untrue. You've never read the Bible, because the Bible pretty much says the opposite of what you're claiming.

    15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
    16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
    Mark 16:15-16

    Being Christian is about believing on Jesus Christ. It isn't about whipping yourself in a monastery all day in the hope to earn heaven by pain. We are given heaven because we believe on Christ.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      Impossible to believe in something that is clearly fake. Also:

      >And if your eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell.

      • 6 months ago
        Worker

        >>And if your eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell.
        Jesus is showing how ridiculous it would be if someone were to try to enter heaven by being good. In order to even begin to try to do that, they'd need to gouge out their eyes and cut off their hands.

        Again, believe on Christ and you'll be saved. You're hearing the gospel right now and you're choosing to reject it.

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          But that's the problem. It's impossible for me to believe in something that's clearly fake.

          • 6 months ago
            Worker

            No offence friend, but you didn't even know what Christianity entails, as shown by the OP. I really don't think you even know enough about it to say that it's "clearly fake". This is something that you should be concerned about, because you're facing an eternity after a few decades of this life.

            Remember, Christianity is about believing on Jesus Christ for your salvation. That's it. We can't do anything else to enter heaven. Good works after believing Christ will give us rewards in the afterlife, but they never allow us into heaven.

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          I don’t know why Christians assume Jesus didn’t literally mean that. Much of his message is to not care about your physical body and this was during the Roman Empire when people who much harder. Just because your soft pussy ass can’t imagine it being sincere doesn’t mean he didn’t mean it.

          • 6 months ago
            Worker

            >I don’t know why Christians assume Jesus didn’t literally mean that.
            Because they read their Bibles, perhaps?

            We rely on Christ for our salvation, who lived and died and rose again as a perfect sacrifice. Because of this wonderful gift, we don't need to rely on cutting off our limbs or eyeballs, because we have free salvation through Christ.

            >8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
            >9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
            Ephesians 2:8-9

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            Works is a pretty vague term. You really think that quote means you don’t have to do anything Jesus tells you to do to get into heaven?
            Some of you really play fast and loose on interpreting the supposed word of god

          • 6 months ago
            Worker

            >Works is a pretty vague term.
            No it's not. It's anything that you do other than believing on Christ.

            That's why "repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God" are the foundations of Christianity (Hebrews 6:1) – in other words, Christianity is about turning away from our own efforts to earn heaven, and turning towards Christ alone for salvation.

            After we've done that, we can start doing good works, but these will never merit our salvation.

            >I don’t know why Christians assume Jesus didn’t literally mean that
            Because it is an obvious hyperbole. If you can't tell that verse is hyperbole I sincerely suspect you have autism because you have incredible difficulty with interpreting obvious messages. Jesus isn't literally saying to tear your eye out, He is saying to give up things that are dear to you if they get between you and God.
            [...]
            No, works is a very well defined term in the Pauline corpus. Paul's usage of the term works is 'any act of obedience'. You don't have to "do" anything to get into heaven because Jesus already did everything for you. That's somewhat the point of the entire Christian religion. It's not about being apathetic or lazy, it's about the sacrifice of the Son of God Himself being the only thing that can make us right with Him. We are not to spurn good deeds but the reason a Christian seeks to obey God is not out of fear of a horrible punishment, for we know that nothing we could do could begin to repay the debt we have accrued through our sins, but out of gratitude of an incredible salvation, since we have already been set free from the fear of hell through the sacrifice of Christ in our stead.

            Amen

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            >in other words, Christianity is about turning away from our own efforts to earn heaven, and turning towards Christ alone for salvation.
            Okay so I can have casual sex, not give to the poor, accumulate wealth, not love my enemies, care about my body, party, do really whatever I want and ignore all of Jesus’s orders including the ones he explicitly says are to be followed to get to heaven, and still get to heaven according to your interpretation. All I have to do is believe.

          • 6 months ago
            Worker

            >Okay so I can have casual sex, not give to the poor, accumulate wealth, not love my enemies, care about my body, party, do really whatever I want and ignore all of Jesus’s orders including the ones he explicitly says are to be followed to get to heaven, and still get to heaven according to your interpretation. All I have to do is believe.
            Yes, of course. Haven't you read about Samson?

            You find this hard to believe because you want to think that you can earn heaven by your own efforts without having to depend on Christ. But salvation is entirely of God, not of our works.

            BUT HEAR THIS! :

            If you continue to live a wicked lifestyle of wilful sin, God WILL punish you. And if you continue despite the punishments, then God will strike you dead or give you a serious disease.

            Remember Samson? He was a believer, but lived a wicked lifestyle (he visited prostitutes, took non-believer as wife, told his wife the secrets of his strength etc.). Eventually, God made it so Samson was captured by his enemies, blinded, forced into slavery, mocked, and then was forced to take his own life.

            And look at David. He was a righteous man and was rewarded for this on earth. But then David sinned with Bathsheba (murder and adultery) and so God punished him severely.

            It is always better to follow God's law. Sinning is never worth it and will never bring joy.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            >If you continue to live a wicked lifestyle of wilful sin, God WILL punish you. And if you continue despite the punishments, then God will strike you dead or give you a serious disease.
            lol that doesn’t happen. At least with hell you can pretend the punishment is happening in another dimension

          • 6 months ago
            Worker

            >lol that doesn’t happen.
            Yes it does. There's too many examples from the Bible to post here. And too many examples from real life. You don't think sin has physical consequences? Haven't you heard of STDs, addiction, suicide, depression?

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            Honestly, the more time passes, the more im convinced the bible was written for atheists, because they're the ones who need it most.
            >"And the lord sayeth to not stick your penis into the butthole, nor allow a penis to entrr your butthole"
            >Heheh oh yeah chudgod? Well watch this!
            >Oh no now I'm dying of HIV monkeypox worms! How could a loving GOD do this to me???
            like most people know not to be a homosexual in the first place, it's only atheists who specifically need to be told not to be homosexuals

          • 6 months ago
            Worker

            I think you've seriously misunderstood my post.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            I break Jesus commandments and have been doing that for a decade and a half and don’t have those problems. My life is genuinely just getting better every year.

          • 6 months ago
            Worker

            That's because you're not saved...

            >But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
            Hebrews 12:8

            This verse is saying that if God isn't chastising you (punishing you for your sins) then you aren't His son. You're on the path to hell, which is why you think you're able to sin without consequence.

          • 6 months ago
            Worker

            That's because you're not saved...

            >But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
            Hebrews 12:8

            This verse is saying that if God isn't chastising you (punishing you for your sins) then you aren't His son. You're on the path to hell, which is why you think you're able to sin without consequence.

            In other words, your father is satan, and you're headed towards an eternity of inconceivably horrendous punishment.

            The fact that you're bragging about being able to sin on earth should be a warning sign to you that something is seriously wrong.

            It's time to call on the name of the Lord and be saved. Because you could die any day and then you'll realise just how badly you've messed up.

          • 6 months ago
            Worker

            >lol that doesn’t happen.
            Yes it does. There's too many examples from the Bible to post here. And too many examples from real life. You don't think sin has physical consequences? Haven't you heard of STDs, addiction, suicide, depression?

            This is why the Bible says that the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. I fear the Lord because He can punish me if I decide to wilfully sin, and I also love the Lord, which is another reason why I don't want to sin. But I never depend on my own efforts to not sin to get me to heaven, because that will never work.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            >I don’t know why Christians assume Jesus didn’t literally mean that
            Because it is an obvious hyperbole. If you can't tell that verse is hyperbole I sincerely suspect you have autism because you have incredible difficulty with interpreting obvious messages. Jesus isn't literally saying to tear your eye out, He is saying to give up things that are dear to you if they get between you and God.

            Works is a pretty vague term. You really think that quote means you don’t have to do anything Jesus tells you to do to get into heaven?
            Some of you really play fast and loose on interpreting the supposed word of god

            No, works is a very well defined term in the Pauline corpus. Paul's usage of the term works is 'any act of obedience'. You don't have to "do" anything to get into heaven because Jesus already did everything for you. That's somewhat the point of the entire Christian religion. It's not about being apathetic or lazy, it's about the sacrifice of the Son of God Himself being the only thing that can make us right with Him. We are not to spurn good deeds but the reason a Christian seeks to obey God is not out of fear of a horrible punishment, for we know that nothing we could do could begin to repay the debt we have accrued through our sins, but out of gratitude of an incredible salvation, since we have already been set free from the fear of hell through the sacrifice of Christ in our stead.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            He's literally saying that if you don't believe in him you go to hell. That's what he's saying as it's impossible to not sin even in your mind.

            Your religion is literally a totalitarian cult. You will suffer for all eternity if you don't believe in me. That's what it's all about. All this bullshit about love becomes completely irrelevant.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            >You will suffer for all eternity if you don't believe in me
            Note: "me" here refers to God
            >All this bullshit about love becomes completely irrelevant
            All this "bs" about love becomes meaningful.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            >You will suffer for all eternity if you don't believe in me.
            That's not just Christianity, that's also Islam and Judaism. As much as the israelites try to hide this, and pretend like obeying the Noahide laws is enough, two of those laws are about worshiping the God of Israel (don't blaspheme him, and no idolatry). Islam, worship Allah or burn. Christianity, worship the holy trinity or burn. It's all the same bullshit. If the creator loved us, he'd just let people into heaven and save hell for rapists and murderers like humans do with prison.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            Back before Jesus, some israelites thought you just died forever.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            >You will suffer for all eternity if you don't believe in me.
            No, you get punished for your sins and then you cease to exist.

            >His winnowing fork is in his hand, and he will clear his threshing floor, gathering his wheat into the barn and burning up the chaff with unquenchable fire.”

            The fire never goes out, but it never says the chaff is eternal, merely that it is burned. Burnt chaff is destroyed.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            >You don't have to "do" anything to get into heaven because Jesus already did everything for you.
            lol okay so according to Paul ignore everything Jesus tells you to do and you still to to heaven

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            If you want to ignore everything Jesus said you have not been born again. Again, it isn't about giving yourself an excuse to sin. It's about having peace with God.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            Nope, don’t have to do works. Me and Jesus just have very different personalities. All I have to do is believe

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            >some Christians have convinced themselves Jesus was just throwing around advice and you literally can ignore all of it and get to heaven
            Lol

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Because it is an obvious hyperbole
            Based on your modern sensibilities. Bro he tells you looking at a woman and thinking she’s hot can get you sent to the eternal torture dungeon, you really think telling you to rip your eye out to prevent that is a hyperbole?

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            Have you ever been diagnosed with an autism spectrum disorder?

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            No I’m a social butterfly, I’m just reading your book anon. I see why you want that to be a metaphor but that’s not the most reasonable interpretation.
            Given that he repeatedly tells people to not care about their bodies, and looking a woman and getting turned on is something you get sent to hell for, asking you gouge your eye out is reasonable.

            In a lot of ways you’re just a modern person not understanding the seriousness with which actual Christians take Christianity
            Obviously the first course of action would be to look away from attractive women if you were Christian. I’m not so lmao

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            >No I’m a social butterfly
            Yes, I'm sure you kill it at the pride parade.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            Man you people are obsessed with the gays. I think I hear more about gay and trans here than literally anywhere else on the internet or real life.
            A lot of tightly shut closets on Oyish

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            How is it unreasonable to gouge out your eye to avoid an eternity of super torture and get to eternal paradise?

  7. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    True

    >24 When the ten heard about this, they were indignant with the two brothers. 25 Jesus called them together and said, “You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their high officials exercise authority over them. 26 Not so with you. Instead, whoever wants to become great among you must be your servant, 27 and whoever wants to be first must be your slave— 28 just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.”

  8. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    I mean you’re on the right track but it would be about giving away all your things to poor people and never saving money, while being a self hating passive virgin

  9. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    >If you follow Christianity properly, you will do something the bible never mandates you to do, and actually contradicts what the bible does mandate you to do, because I, a secular person who considers you a primitive moron and despises you for it, said so

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      >I, a secular person who considers you a primitive moron
      Yes
      >despises you for it
      No. I feel the same pity I feel for the drunkard

  10. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Parable of the minas.

    If you dont invest you're going to hell.

  11. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    God has a destiny in plan for everyone. Sometimes its for you to live as a hermit. Sometimes its for you to become a powerful ruler and change the world for him. And sometimes he just wants you to live a quiet life, start a family, and do works of mercy. Its up to you to allign with his will however.

    • 6 months ago
      Worker

      >Sometimes its for you to live as a hermit.
      It's never God's will for someone to be a hermit. Yes, people should spend time alone while reading the Bible and praying, but it should never be prolonged. The Bible is pretty clear about this and there's plenty of places I could turn to.

      "Christian" hermits/monks are copying the practices of Buddhism and Hinduism. Monasteries and being a hermit are anti-biblical doctrines.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        >It's never God's will for someone to be a hermit.

        You dont speak for God.

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          The bible does

          • 6 months ago
            Worker

            Amen

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            God is not bound to a book. Stop idolizing it.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            They can't, Sola Scriptura is their foundation, they are more likely to become instant Atheists because their faith is actually in the Icon of "God" (Their bible) and not God himself

  12. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    No, your interpretation is gnostic in nature.

  13. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    >live as a hermit and worship God 24/7
    what's wrong with that?

    • 6 months ago
      Worker

      It's not Biblical.

      >18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,
      Colossians 2:18

      >15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
      Mark 16:15

      Being a hermit and mindlessly repeating prayers is what Buddhists, Catholics, and Orthodox do. But this is what the Bible says:
      >But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
      Matthew 6:7

      Asceticism, chanting, monasteries etc. are practices of the "heathen". As time went by, Christianity was influenced by Eastern paganism and Greek philosophy, leading to false religions like Catholicism and Orthodoxy.

      >Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
      >2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
      >3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
      1 Timothy 4:1-3

      Doesn't this just describe the Catholics and Orthodox monasteries? It is a wicked counterfeit of Christianity.

  14. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Monasteries exist

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