If murder is a sin, then why are there so many murders in the Bible? Why did God kill people if he is all-good?

If murder is a sin, then why are there so many murders in the Bible? Why did God kill people if he is all-good? So either it's not a sin, or God is not all-good

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  1. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    It all started when moses came down from the mount - and found them worshoping the golden calf.
    The ones that didn't likely went on to a land of milk and honey.

  2. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >"rule for thee but not for me" -God probably

  3. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    God cannot commit murder, that's a contradiction.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      I know, but lets just say for the sake of argument that God actually exists...

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Why?

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        If God is to kill someone it's obviously righteous, otherwise he wouldn't be God.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Murder is unjust killing.

      God doesn’t murder anybody.

      You can find a reason to any murder

      Since God made creation, you can attribute every death that ever happened to Him, since death is part of life.

      God is pure, beyond duality.

      Murder is an unjustified killing which is a sin.
      Killing is not a sin, unjustified killing

      you homosexuals are saying nothing, you literally worship yaldobaoth you relativists

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Basically yeah, every time God killed someone (or told Israel to kill people) it was with cause. Take the flood for instance. We were doing all kinds of wicked things, except for Noah and his family.

      Even so, remember God created life so only God can take it away (or provide conditions in which it can be taken away, such as capital offenses, just wars, or divine retribution through people)

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        No fren, what you have to understand about the Pentateuch, (and much of the rest of the OT), is that it is composed of basically 4 different narratives each of which seeks to legitimize a different set of power locii within Heeblsnd BC.

        1- The Yahwhists: the Voice of the southern kingdom of Judah

        2-The Elohists: Voice of the Northern Kingdom of Israel, (scrolls later removed to Judah after the Assyrian destruction of Israel in 722BC or thereabouts, and thereafter amended and edited).

        3- The Deuteronomists: Mainly Judahite scribes writing in Judah and in Babylon during and after the Exile.

        4- The Priestly Scribes: Writing during the Second Temple phase.

        What must be borne in mind is that these weren’t written for the public because most of the public could not read. They are very much flattering “inter-office memos” that seek to confer legitimacy upon their patrons by revisionist history and reinterpretations if agreed-upon historical figures and facts with in the larger contextual framework of Israelite Exceptionalism., (ie: they all agree that they are “The Chosen People”…but of WHOM? El? Yahweh?).

        They get ripped up by their own rhetoric over the thousands of years that these narratives are revisited.
        When Israelites do the theft and the usurping and the plundering, it’s Divinely Inspired. When it is done to them, it’s the work of Satan.

        When Israelites commit the Canaanite Genocide, they’re “just following Yahweh’s orders”, (sound familiar?);, against wicked people.
        But when THEY are genocided and dispossessed it is because the Israelite victims have become wicked people..
        They didn’t wish to write this, but to preserve the narrative supporting their own legitimacy, they had no choice.

        We’re seeing JooNarrativeFail right now over Gaza, where the entire world is seeing the truth of the bromide that:

        “The israelite cries out in pain as he strikes you”.

  4. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Murder is unjust killing.

    God doesn’t murder anybody.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      You can find a reason to any murder

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Murder is an unjustified killing which is a sin.
        Killing is not a sin, unjustified killing

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        [...]

        Yes, but just because you find a reason doesn't mean you find a good reason. Killing someone because you hate them for being a rude jerk is a reason, but it isn't justified.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >why are the killings just?
      Because God says so.
      >why should we take God's word for it?
      Because God is perfect.
      >why?
      Because God says so.

      How "mysterious"...

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        God is absolute and flawless. From our human perspective it's impossible for God to commit murder, because that is unjust killing and God cannot be so.

        This isn't semantics, it's just how religion works.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >23 From there Elisha went up to Bethel. As he was walking along the road, some boys came out of the town and jeered at him. “Get out of here, baldy!” they said. “Get out of here, baldy!” 24 He turned around, looked at them and called down a curse on them in the name of the Lord. Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the boys.
      Yeah killing children for insulting bald people is totally not murder

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Is respecting Elisha was the justification for the cursing the boys
        then bears killed them

        what are you confused about

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        That's a lot of them, and they were probably teenagers. Dude was probably afraid they were going to attack him.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Let’s not forget Ezekiel 9: 3-6:

        “ 3 Now the glory of the God of Israel had gone up from the cherub on which it rested to the threshold of the house. And he called to the man clothed in linen, who had the writing case at his waist. 4 And the Lord said to him, “Pass through the city, through Jerusalem, and put a mark on the foreheads of the men who sigh and groan over all the abominations that are committed in it.” 5 And to the others he said in my hearing, “Pass through the city after him, and strike. Your eye shall not spare, and you shall show no pity. 6 Kill old men outright, young men and maidens, little children and women, but touch no one on whom is the mark. And begin at my sanctuary.”

        Murdering isolators and sexual perverts? Sure…understood.
        But children that have had no agency in what they believe and what they practice?

        Gazan “Collateral damage” as practiced this very week.

        Yahweh so feared the little children of these people that He commands that they be put to death on sight.

        El and Yahweh were plainly incompetent if their purpose was to redeem the human race to an Edenic state, and their power was clearly limited if they had to use Israelites as their human agents.

        Or the entirety of the OT in these historical books of the Canaanite conquest and the wars of the Israelite kingdoms are no more than self-justifying bullshit ex post facto propaganda.

  5. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >why does a book that records history have murders in it?

  6. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    What you have to understand is that the Hebrews and Israelites from Abraham until Moses worshipped El.

    Moses married a woman from Sinai and adopted her father’s worship of Yahweh, who was an Edomite Sinai God. Which is whom israelites worship to this day.

    They are not the same God. Yahweh is notably more bloodthirsty and nationalistic towards the Israelite tribes, and is similarly lacking in the mercy towards those that Israel has wronged.
    See El and his rescue of Hagar and Ishmael in the wilderness.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      God created the universe. He is the arbiter of morality. All moral values come from Him, since He is the ontological predicate of the concept of morality in the first place. Ipso facto, any time God "kills" somebody, it is not murder, not least because it is not evil, as a result of God, who is the definition of "good", doing it, but more profoundly that God, who has created everything, has the right to destroy it if He so wishes; and furthermore, since God is capable of creating and sustaining life, and since if God exists, this a priori supposes the existence of an eternal soul, and therefore there is no real "death" occurring in the first place - God is merely taking the soul from one place and putting it in another.

      Humans don't have the right to kill other humans because, A. we didn't create other humans, they are not our property to dispose with as we please, and B. we can't take people's souls and put them somewhere else, that's something God does, and killing other people is trying to usurp God's power over the soul.

      Of course all this is irrelevant if you're an atheist, but if you're an atheist, on what objective moral basis do you oppose murder? A standard you stole from Christians?

      this would make sense of Yahweh didn't also rescue tons of people in the wilderness and and save gentiles as well (Elijah, Nineveh), which you would know if you read more of the Bible than that one quote from Samuel about killing the Amalekites

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >this would make sense of Yahweh didn't also rescue tons of people in the wilderness and and save gentiles as well (Elijah, Nineveh)<

        Which would you like to discuss?

        Elijah? Yahweh used him as a tool…a prophet. I think we can agree that Yahweh held such men apart from the average slob in the fields or on the streets, yes?

        Nineveh? A tale of a forced conversion, basically. But it DOES illuminate a useful point for my contention in that Yahweh rewards those that obey him, and desolates those that do not.

        Why should Israelites be any different?

        Any “Jew” that does not observe the Mitvot has NO claim on the land of Canaan or the Mercy of Yahweh unless he or she repents of their evil ways as defined by Yahweh.

        Samuel? Hardly the only instance. I grant that the Israelites had “history” with the Amalekites, although that doesn’t excuse the genocide.

        Let’s not forget Deuteronomy 20:17:
        “ But you shall utterly destroy them, the Hittite and the Amorite, the Canaanite and the Perizzite, the Hivite and the Jebusite, as the Lord your God has commanded you,”

        Hosea 13:16:
        “ Samaria will be held guilty,
        For she has rebelled against her God.
        They will fall by the sword,
        Their little ones will be dashed in pieces,
        And their pregnant women will be ripped open.”

        Then there’s Isaiah 13:15-18:
        “ Whoever is found will be thrust through, and whoever is caught will fall by the sword. Their infants will be dashed in pieces before their eyes; their houses will be plundered and their wives ravished. Behold, I am stirring up the Medes against them, who have no regard for silver and do not delight in gold. Their bows will slaughter the young men; they will have no mercy on the fruit of the womb; their eyes will not pity children.”

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          >it doesn't count because...I DON'T LIKE IT!
          that's nice, but grownups are talking

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            So you get BTFO'd by a slew of genocidal Biblical exhortations, and you just try to dismiss them because they BTFO your feeble post.

            Grownups...yes.
            Grownups know how to concede the point without acting like pissy little b***hes.

  7. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Since God made creation, you can attribute every death that ever happened to Him, since death is part of life.

    God is pure, beyond duality.

  8. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Murder is an unjustified killing which is a sin.
    Killing is not a sin, unjustified killing

  9. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    "murder" has specific connotations. "thou shall not murder " is specifically the imperative not to kill is in the context of unlawful killing resulting in bloodguilt

    as you say, there are several examples throughout the bible that do not fall into that category. which you can read about here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thou_shalt_not_kill#Justified_killing:_due_consequence_for_crime

    hope that clears things up

  10. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    I believe it's only a sin because you're not smart enough and all knowing to know if taking a life is just or not. God is.

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