If heaven exists then it means an existence where both free will and lack of evil exists.

If heaven exists then it means an existence where both free will and lack of evil exists. If such an existence exists why didnt God just skip right to it instead instead of this failed experiment in which we currently are tormented.
He already knows the outcome of our torment and who will be in heaven anyway

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  1. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's a mystery

  2. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    You tell me.

  3. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    God knows

  4. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    uhh this is above my paygrade, can any larper bishop get in here?

  5. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Can you guys just be quiet? It’s the same things said everyday with you dementia ridden goofballs. OP if you check the archives you’ll find thousands of threads literally asking the same thing with probably the same answers you’ll get here so why make this low effort dogshit?

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      show me 5 threads in the archive with this exact topic NOW

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      We've been waiting every day for at least 5000 years for an answer now

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      I have literally never seen a Christian directly answer this question.

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        christisraelites can never give a straight answer on anything. They proudly inherited pilpul from their israeli masters

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      christards cannot answer this question. you will only find threads where it came up and caused wild flailing. you don't want to see the same shameful display happening here, do you?

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      Because at best it's a cringy edgy Redditor gotcha and at worst it's an attempt to demoralize Christians and try to make them lose their faith rather than actually have a dialogue. Just look at how many times atheists have spammed the pic of the Epicurean paradox, they always get an answer back that BTFO of them, but then the next day they're back posting it asking the same question and acting like they didn't already get their answer.

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        >someone is questioning my faith?! Aaaaah jesus save me I'm going insaaaane

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          >acts like an annoying moron
          >"why aren't Christcucks humoring me and engaging with my argument from 20 years ago aaaaahh save me Netanyahu I'm going insaaaane"
          Every single israelite woman in Israel will get raped by righteous Palestinian men.

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            >worships a israeli carpenther and the israeli god
            >hates israelites

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            [...]

            I'm begging you to stop browsing Reddit.

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            There is no antisemitism on reddit himey!

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            The synoptic gospels say nothing of the sort. The new testament is just self propaganda after the 3rd book

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        >rather than actually have a dialogue
        There has never been a Christian that wants this.
        >they always get an answer back
        This has never happened.

  6. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Tnis fricking cat has raped my mind!

  7. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    good thread

  8. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Christbros are awfully silent

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Shits in a public forum
      >Everyone looks at you in disgust and calls you a moron
      >"Wow I am so smart, nobody dares to refute me!"

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        >malds
        >keeps malding
        >malds even harder

  9. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    not a single refutation yet

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      not a single refutation

      christians taking L after L today

      christisraelites can never give a straight answer on anything. They proudly inherited pilpul from their israeli masters

      the only reasonable answer to that question is that He wants us to worship Him in this life and the next by observing His Creation and thus appreciate Him even more by going through a process of maturity, hardships are a very crucial part of it, it couldn't have been done in a different or a better way simply because we live in a world, the only one that there is for us, where everything else besides what is, had been deemed as redundant by Him

  10. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    A world in which God skips creating Earth and just tosses people into heaven or hell would be a different world than the actual world, and in such a world, people would make different free choices owing to their different circumstances. If God allows people free will, then God cannot guarantee that everyone who chooses heaven in this world would choose heaven in that world as well. So, it is possible that God foresaw that such a world would have been much worse than the actual world and therefore elected not to create it.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      >then God cannot guarantee that everyone who chooses heaven in this world would choose heaven in that world as well
      ah so he's not omnipotent, got it

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        You don't know what omnipotence is.

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          >God cannot guarantee
          >omnipotence
          lmao

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            You are arguing in bad faith.

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            If you cannot argue your point stop embarrassing yourself and leave the thread

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            Omnipotence does not mean being able to do anything. You're the only one who's embarrassing themselves by being ignorant of this.

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Omnipotence does not mean being able to do anything
            HAHAHAHAHA

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            Childish.

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            >he believes omnipotence is only doing what is logicaly possible
            Larper

  11. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Ok but do we have even a single piece of scientific evidence that this magical afterlife exists? Or is it just a cope about death?

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      There is a misconception among atheists and disbelievers alike that the Bible explains God in totality when it does not. The Bible exists to guide us away from sin and towards his light. It is not meant to explain God completely because we lack the faculties to fully understand him and his actions.

      This is why we say that he works in mysterious ways. We don't say it to avoid accountability. It's an admission to the act fact that we are not God and thus cannot explain everything he does.
      People already struggle to understand the actions of their own peers. Look at the current state of psychology now, as it crumbles from its own hubris. How could we ever hope to understand God?

      Rest assured that our free will is preserved, and know that it is through the use of our God given free will that we prove our dedication to him.

      It depends on what you deem to be viable evidence.

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        You love seeing yourself talk, all those words just to say that its a mystery

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          That's the gist, but I wanted to explain WHY it's a mystery.

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        common atheichud L

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        Theists will say this and then also assert their god is "ultimate simplicity" and "pure good".

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah? I don't see the contradiction you're implying is there.

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        >The Bible exists to guide us away from sin and towards his light.
        Why though? He could have just made heaven and filled it up with people. Christians read the same book, even the same line in the book and come to wildly different and contradictory interpretations so what good is it as a guide?

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          >He could have just made heaven and filled it up with people.
          you mean like the garden of eden?

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            >I'm gonna make this garden evwn thougj I know the humans will be tempted by a snake and I will kick them out for no reason

            What did yhwh mean by this?

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            We have free will. That free will was used to betray God.

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            Why did yhwh give us free will that betrays him?

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            For our freedom.

  12. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    christcucks really debating about how God cant do a thing that already exists (heaven)
    Absolute state of christian apologetics, this shit is kindergarten level for islam

  13. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    No, the will can still be changed in Heaven, but the people with the changed will freely chose to have such a change.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      You've gotten an answer to the question.

      nobody was saying anything about free will not being possible in heaven

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        ???

  14. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    not a single refutation

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      You've gotten an answer to the question.

  15. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Stop asking questions

  16. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    christians taking L after L today

  17. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    There are no supernatural forces, souls, undead beings or giant conspiracies hiding things we cannot imagine right under the surface of what we can see. Reality is cold and driven purely by power, intelligence, determination and manipulation. There is no hidden meaning, no destiny, no reason to live. Reality is both a giant playground for us to explore and progress in, but also an arena for us to fight in for our false ideologies. If you fail at life, you will never find anything to hold on to. No aliens, no haunted houses, no demons to fight. You're only fighting with your own delusions, and desperately trying not to hit the absolute bottom. Now try to prove me wrong, if there really is anyone still treating this paranormal shit seriously.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      Nihilism is a symptom of depression. Go find some joy in life and it'll be there that you find purpose, not through the musings of miserable "philosophers" navelgazing themselves into insanity. Why would you even want to be like them?

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      You know what you can hold onto, the one transcendental category that transcends even the absurdity of metaphysical thinking and grounds it in reality?

      Art. Aesthetics. Beauty.

  18. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Back in my low-effort tradLARP days I saw somebody say something along the lines of "earth is a stage, and we're all performing acts of sin and redemption for angels to learn from".

    Dunno if that idea's conventional, but that's the only thing that makes God's arbitrary cruelty make sense to me.

  19. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Maybe you just get thrown in hell immediately if you sin in heaven. Here, you have a lifetime to repent and turn shit around so you get the chance at heaven.

  20. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    God wants followers who choose to follow him, and not ones who were made to. Our lives are short, and we are given the privilege to live them out as we please. God loves even those who turn away from him, and many of those people live rich and meaningful lives that don't need to be cut short.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      >we are given the privilege to live them out as we please
      yea I am sure that those muslim children in somalia have any saying in how their lifes will unfold without having any real possibility to move out of poverty or how slaves throughout history have had their rights respected or how people with chronic diseases can live their lifes to the fullest without any obstacles along the way or how our little Timmy got bone cancer at the ripe age of 4, surely they all can choose how to live their lifes!
      get a grip on yourself for real and step out of your fairy land, life isn't fair and God is playing favorites

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yes, life isn't fair, but that doesn't change the fact our lives are ours to decide what to do with. I never said we can do anything we want, merely we're free to choose to do what we can. We are limited by our bodies and our circumstances. I know that fact all too well.

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        >if God real why bad thing happen????
        If God isn't real then why do good things happen, anon?

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          Nta, good events are be random just as bad events; there is only a problem if you assume an omnipotent agent supervising it all

  21. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    >where both free will and lack of evil exists
    interesting. So, the lack of evil is caused by people with free will choosing not to do evil.
    IDK, if you've ever read the books of kings and chronicles, there would be a bad evil king, and then his son would be a good king and then his son would be evil over and over. So, maybe it has to do with salvaging possible good from a bad situation. And that would require people making choices and time passing. Parable of the tares and wheat. Once we're through it, it will just be a memory of bad times. Like, we all skipped through our entire lives and arrive in the current day right now, but character has been built, lessons learned, who we are has crystallized to a certain extent, but people can still change for better or worse.

  22. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why do you think there is no free will in Heaven?

  23. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    because you are his toy,bend to his will
    18:69 Christopher

  24. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    You don't have free will in heaven. Heaven is for those who use their free will to submit to the will of god.

  25. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Enjoy OP

    %3D

  26. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Two answers.

    A) It can't be skipped; as the Adamic race was condemned judiciously it must be saved judiciously.

    B) from God's eternal perspective, all things are already skipped.

  27. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    You are thinking like a lawless person; someone who behaves mostly out of convenience, but fundamentally unprincipled.

    Whereas God has a thing for covenants, laws, ordinances, statutes, oaths.

    Ease and convenience are not high on His priorities.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      >god is an autist
      It all makes so much sense now.

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        >God is a rule absolutist
        >therefore an autist

        Rules that can be bent without price and/or repercussions are not rules.

  28. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    If humans in the Garden of Eden were sinless, had freewill, but were damned anyway then doesn’t that mean everyone in heaven goes to Hell eventually because they will sin at some point?

    God destroys Satan and all demons at the end of time

    Why didn’t he destroy Satan immediately after the rebellion?

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