>If god were to cure world hunger or perform some other feat that would immediately make his existence apparent, you would have no choice but to be...

>If god were to cure world hunger or perform some other feat that would immediately make his existence apparent, you would have no choice but to believe in him...and that's a bad thing (nevermind that god allegedly did that multiple times in antiquity).
>Also, I converted because I believe god literally spoke to me in a dream or vision.
I'm not the only one that sees this incongruity, right? What's up with that?

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  1. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Doesn’t make sense as to why he would do that. It’s a sign of deep love and respect as you’re thrown into life to eventually make your way back to him. It wouldnt be love if he forced you to acknowledge his existence, nor would it be freedom if he didn’t let you live your life away from him.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      This. It wouldn’t be free will if you weren’t free to do things.
      >why is this multiple choice test multiple choice? Why doesn’t each question have just one option?

      Now that we have the ability to document such an event beyond doubt, God is nowhere to be seen.

      >>Also, I converted because I believe god literally spoke to me in a dream or vision.
      So your subconscious decided to mess with you in your sleep and you decided to take it as canon? You sure are gullible. Do you wear MAGA gear too?

      >if it isn’t plainly obvious, then I can’t believe it
      It’s like your brain is inert, except for perceiving the world and adopting other peoples’ beliefs/arguments.

      Why do free thinkers think so similarly?

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        NTA but I’m not just going to believe you that some god is real and your religion is true without you proving it, it’s not complicated.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        free will contradicts god's omniscience.

        • 6 months ago
          Ο Σολιταίρ

          >I know something
          >therefore it didn't actually happen

          huh?

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            How could you know what an agent with free will will do before they will it?

          • 6 months ago
            Ο Σολιταίρ

            huh?
            what are you even asking?
            to bluntly answer what I think you;re asking:
            >How could you know what an agent with free will will do before they will it?
            You would simply predict* it, by imagining what would happen before it happened. Called "prediction"

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            Predicting something will happen is not the same as knowing it will happen. Have you never seen a weather report before?

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            What if your prediction is wrong?

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        God invented physics and prevents me from doing lots of physically impossible shit. Predestination is the only rational choice.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      Would it be a sign of love if your parents were absent from your life to such an extent that you doubt their existence? Most people would call that neglect.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        Comparing God, the creator of the universe, to fallible human parents seems like a weird stretch to prove a point.

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          Remind me, your god is made up of the son, the spirit and...

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          You literally call your god father

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      This. It wouldn’t be free will if you weren’t free to do things.
      >why is this multiple choice test multiple choice? Why doesn’t each question have just one option?

      [...]
      >if it isn’t plainly obvious, then I can’t believe it
      It’s like your brain is inert, except for perceiving the world and adopting other peoples’ beliefs/arguments.

      Why do free thinkers think so similarly?

      There are different types of freedom.
      You'd be as free on a planet where there were 10 foot tall invincible demons running around raping and pillaging at their leisure as you are on our Earth itself. But 'by grace of god', that isn't the case on our planet.
      So why is a world where child starvation doesn't exist less free than our own? In light of our world being safer and less dangerous than an infinite number of alternate worlds, why would it be bad for ours to be even slightly more safe?

  2. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Now that we have the ability to document such an event beyond doubt, God is nowhere to be seen.

    >>Also, I converted because I believe god literally spoke to me in a dream or vision.
    So your subconscious decided to mess with you in your sleep and you decided to take it as canon? You sure are gullible. Do you wear MAGA gear too?

  3. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why do you think God (who is, by definition, all-powerful/all-seeing/all-knowing) is insecure about his status that he would condescend to prove his godhood to… a 18-25 year old incel who is chronically online

    Even if it’s not the Christian God, what do you think the word ‘god’ means?

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      Given that YHWH apparently gets salty very easily and has repeatedly destroyed civilizations for their non-belief or worship of other deities, he cares a lot.

  4. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    But I didn't convert because God spoke to me in a dream or vision lmao

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      So what proof convinced you?

  5. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    God cutter illnesses, raised the dead, performed miracles feeding thousands, and rose from the dead
    And people still didn’t believe him

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      >some israelites said God cutter illnesses, raised the dead, performed miracles feeding thousands, and rose from the dead
      >And people still didn't believe them

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      7 billion people and """god""" feeds "thousands"

  6. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    >why doesn't god just do everything for us
    >thread #546230

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      Looks like your god doesn’t do anything at all.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        >he doesn't do everything therefore he does nothing
        >it is 100 or 0

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          what did your God do today?

  7. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    The easiest evidence of God would be the bible speaking of something impossible on our planet in it. Like imagine a structure that is over a million years old if carbon dated, there is no logical way to explain this structure meaning something otherworldly caused it. The bible can mention where this structure is and thats basically God telling us where his signature is.
    Another form of evidence would be the bible mentioning concepts humans in the biblical times had no fricking idea about like bacteria, viruses, DNA, RNA, atoms, quantum fields and so on. The bible could also mention cosmic phenomenon as well. All of those would be ways God could be said to exist.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      To add to what you’ve said, not only does it not have any of this information, it makes claims about the universe and earth that are false.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        The thing is there is no universe in the bible, the universe as we know was a concept that came from astronomers in the late middle ages, the israelites that wrote the bible literally thought we lived on a plane and the sun and starts were glowing lights that just existed for some reason.

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          Exactly, which is even more of a case that it’s just ancient mythology

  8. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    The real answer is that Christians think the truth of Christ is so obvious, anyone who does not immediately recognize it is in denial because they want to continue sinning, and no amount of proof could ever change that. Only a minority of Christians are actually dogmatic and bold enough to say this out loud because it sounds so stupid.

  9. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Hmm why would God gives free food to goyim?

  10. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    >I'm not the only one that sees this incongruity, right?
    christians are used to and even extremely skilled in accepting and explaining away the existence of two mutually incompatible ideas in their religion.
    >god gave everyone muh free will
    >but if you don't use it correctly he will torture you for all eternity
    is another good one.

  11. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    >be g*d
    >i dont know if you really love me
    >im your only god
    >youre free to find some other god if you dont love me
    >i was just testing you i didnt mean it
    >i said youre free to pick a different god but youre going to hell if you dont pick me
    >no i wont prove anything to you
    Why would anyone want to worship this needy jealous nutjob of a god?

  12. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    >incel thread #23687634
    Never met a non-incel atheist. Thanks for perpetuating that stereotype.

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