If God didn't want people to eat the forbidden fruit, why did he leave it around where people can eat it?

If God didn't want people to eat the forbidden fruit, why did he leave it around where people can eat it?

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  1. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Lol innocent boy. You still haven't realised that God was the ultimate troll. He literally baited them into sinning

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Now I feel sorry for Satan, getting blamed for everything that's God's fault.

  2. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    My favorite Godzilla monster is Kumonga. Would you like to know why Jack?

  3. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    It was the only way we could have become who we are. Even in paradise we wanted what we couldn’t have so he allowed us to fall so that we could desire all things that were out of our reach. That’s generally the premise but Augustine explains it well in volume 2 of City of God. He also explains that the reason we cover ourselves and are embarrassed about our sex organs is that we don’t have control over them as we do our hands and legs. According to him, Adam basically could get hard-ons whenever he wanted and so sex was utilitarian, ie without lust. So it follows you can either be lustful and enjoy sex and other pleasures or you can follow God. It’s not as passive aggressive as people think. God literally just wanted to give us the choice to do what we wanted and we took it.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      God could have made us who we are.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah I agree I was just trying to explain the christian argument.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >It was the only way we could have become who we are
      Oh I thought we became who we are through evolution, my bad

  4. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why couldn't God just reserve time and prevent Adam and Eve from eating the apple?
    Why couldn't God just put a fence around the tree of knowledge?
    Why couldn't God just delete the tree of knowledge from existence, I mean who was it for in the first place?
    Why couldn't God just see that both were naively tricked by the serpent and didn't have any evil intentions?
    Why couldn't God just use his infinite mercy to forgive Adam and Eve?

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >reserve
      reverse ***

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Christcucks will never answer any of these questions and cope with “le mystery” or “you can’t test god or ask him to make sense!”

      When people on Oyish are smarter than your god it is over.

  5. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >God is all powerful so he can do impossible/irreconcilable things
    Is there any actual rebuttal to this?

  6. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because he wanted to pin the blame for the shitshow he created on someone else

  7. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    If God didn't want Adam and Eve to eat the forbidden fruit, why did they eat it?

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/7M1Tsjo.jpg

      If God didn't want people to eat the forbidden fruit, why did he leave it around where people can eat it?

      God could have made us who we are.

      The christian argument is that God gave us free will.
      Imagine you are a God. You spend 6 days creating a universe. Who will inhabit said universe? Well then, it's time for you to create a species. Will you give said species a free will? Or you will control every single one of said species's actions? What would be the difference between a species 100% controlled and a rock?

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        But he could have made their nature good and without evil. Youre right. That is the argument. And it is an interesting one. But youll always have people thinking youre dumb for making the argument because the elephant in the room is that at the end of the day God is still all powerful and could have gave us free will and a perfect nature.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          What is good and what is evil? Does good exists without evil? Does evil exists without good?
          Good is the opposite of evil, and evil is the opposite of good. You can't have one without the other. In a world where everyone is good, then someone will be MORE good than others, and someone will be LESS good than others. The more good would be considered "good" and the less good would be considered "evil" in that world. The only way to make a fully good world it is to make everyone exactly the same, without any difference. I ask again: What is the difference between a 100% controlled by a God being and a rock?

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Nah God could make a reality where this wasnt the case. And being better than others is a pretty shallow way to derive satisfaction from life. Could have just made heaven on earth. In heaven everyone is happy beyond imagination forever and thats it. Could have just made that and not this life.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            God isn't a hedonist like you, sorry.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            He also isn't a square like u

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Nothing to do with anything I said, peabrain.

            >But he could have made their nature good and without evil.
            unless perhaps awareness and experience and understanding of this duality is apart of who we are as beings made in Gods image. duality is after all, hard coded into literally every aspect of reality, from the laws of physics where every action has an equal and opposite reaction to abstract conceptual issues where basic concepts of reality become completely nonsensical without their opposites to contrast by.

            Appreciate the input but again, this fact is according to God’s world. He could have made opposites nonexistent and yet have both extremes of every manner somehow still existent. He could have done ANYTHING.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            yea he could have "Anything", but consider the possibility that he wasnt just doing "anything" at random, he was making a specific people with a specific image in mind,

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            And purposefully made it so we were all miserable. Im not an atheist btw Im just saying its hard to not challenge the idea.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            we arent "all miserable" though, this is a lie you've sold to yourself

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah thats hyperbole for sure, but one child being abducted and used as a slave isnt worth all the beauty of the world. The world is worth it for me, I agree. But as a whole everyone included, it simply is not worth it. I dont think that means there’s no God I think there obviously is a God judging by how beautiful and complex the world is. But I cant fathom it being the christian God.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            it seems to me like the issue is that you are trapped in very materialistic way of thinking and ether can't or won't conceptualize more abstract possibilities. there's a whole hell of a lot you cant fathom, and i cant fathom, but here you are passing faux-enlightened absolute judgements like a teenager barely on the cusp of life who believes with absolute certainty that he has "figured it out"

            just how do you supposed you've "figured it out" and can make such absolute judgements when the information you have available is so potentially infinitesimally minuscule? do you know why the laws of physics are the way they are? do you know why there is something rather than nothing? the exact nature of God? not even the bible ventures to actually conceptualize these things beyond the most minute glimpses at a whole that is altogether hidden

            even as christians in a christian Gods dream where the bible gives us some context, we have barely even begun to scratch the surface of what the frick is going on. can you really say, with absolute certainty, that you *know* what is and is not with it? that you even know what is going on? that it is literally impossible that any abstract phenomena pulled from infinite possibilities beyond your ability to percieve as you are could make the pieces fall into place before your eyes and make you literally weep with awe and say "i understand"?

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            I understand this concept and I think my problem is exactly that I can find no faith in anything concrete for this exact reason. Its strange that I came across as a materialist teen because I once was but now I’m not materialist and I believe insome God but I just think this world is insane, to hell with what I do or dont know. Im a pessoagay, I dont even know myself let alone the world.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            just to clarify, I wasn't trying to call you a "teenager" as some sort of smarmy put-down, im just reminded of the phenomena of being young and inexperienced but at the same time, self assured in the completeness in ones wisdom.

            as humans in general, our perspectives are so painfully limited, just like a bunch of wienery young inexperienced lads eager to prove themselves, and for me personally, i guess im just optimistic enough to have faith that there are things even outside of the scope of our limited perspectives like missing pieces of a puzzle, and that us wienery young lads still have lessons to learn that we haven't (or cant) even considered yet, and as grown men we may look back even at the despair of our broken hearts and broken legs with a certain humour or understanding that comes with time and wisdom

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah I figured you were saying it in good faith. Youre right for sure, and I need to stop overthinking everything, its like do you want to be happy or do you want to be right, but the “right” is just as much a leap of faith as any other ideology anyway.

            Im wondering if it comes in waves since only in act 2 of my life did I find a reason to think life was worth it but now that the figurative act 3 is starting im starting to think that has already passed and I’m in for more suffering I simply am burnt out on. But thats all just my bullshit, I understand that doesnt affect God but it unfortunately is affecting my view of him it seems.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            We make ourselves miserable by choice by rejecting God. God is the source of all joy and comfort and every good thing, by rejecting God you are by definition rejecting these things. People who embrace God are filled with joy and comfort that cannot be taken away but by their own choice to stop embracing God.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            The religious people I know are usually moronic as frick and miserable though.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Just because they are in the church or claim to be religious does not mean they are in communion with Christ. Have you read the new testament where it says many will come and say lord lord...and he tells them I don't know you depart from me you workers of iniquity. Look into the lives of the saints and their experiences, not some worldly person who doesn't have a spiritual life. Many will be deceived by antichtist.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            I read matthew. Something about Christianity is so alluring, I mean it’s lasted 2 thousand years, and I love so much of it. But idk. I know it just comes down to your emotional propensity at some point. I’m pretty bitter. My parents were both absolutely insane and so now I’m a super fricked up person and cant help feeling that isnt my fault so I really cant believe in free will.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Try practicing the Jesus prayer. Lord Jesus Christ, son of God, have mercy on me a sinner. Say it as often as you can, and it will help get on the path to freedom from these thoughts. It can seem impossible to let go of bitterness and forgive ourselves and others, but we must humble ourselves and recognize our own choices and own them. Christ was unjustly treated but he submitted to the fathers will. If you have the time, listen a lecture on YouTube by orthodox ethos titled sin and forgiveness. It answers many of the questions you have. Don't rely on your understanding, because we deceive ourselves because we do not see ourselves as we truly are, and our passions and sin will distort the truth. The fastest way to God is prayer, one prayer is more profitable than 10 years of reading about God without prayer. God loves you more than you love yourself Anon, and he wants you become like Him, and to live with Him. This is why we must also forgive, because God forgives us, and how wicked are we? Pray for faith, God will not reject you, he is waiting for you to turn to him.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Thanks anon, I looked up the video and will watch when I can. I appreciate your input and like I said Im not above christian thinking City of God is a favorite of mine and I want to believe just find so much trouble but Ill try this video bro thanks again.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            You're welcome, don't forget to pray, it's the most important part. Even if it is just "Jesus if you are real, please reveal yourself to me." It is very important to initiate contact with God through prayer.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah its tough cause Im bipolar so I sway so much but I heard somewhere that the eye through which you see God is the same as which he sees you. That made a lot of sense to me at the time but maybe I strayed idk.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >God could've made this, God could've made that. Why did God create evil? Why did God create suffering?
            You are literally Job, there is a whole book in the bible dedicated for you.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          >But he could have made their nature good and without evil.
          unless perhaps awareness and experience and understanding of this duality is apart of who we are as beings made in Gods image. duality is after all, hard coded into literally every aspect of reality, from the laws of physics where every action has an equal and opposite reaction to abstract conceptual issues where basic concepts of reality become completely nonsensical without their opposites to contrast by.

  8. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    It was a divine shit test

  9. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    The tradition is that God would have given them the fruit once they were mature enough to have it responsibly. They were disobedient and ate it before they were ready. This free will had to be an option otherwise it is not love to obey God. Evil does not exist on its own, but is simply doing that which is not God's will. If we could not choose to disobey God, then it is not true love to obey him. Love is the unity of multiplicity, therefore we must have some level autonomy in order to be capable of love. God knew that there was a possibility for the fall, and that it would happen through his omniscience, but he still loved us and came after us to bring us back into a relationship with him.

  10. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Counterpoint:
    >If gymbro wanted me to lift this weight, why did he make it so heavy?

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