I think Muslims should convert to Calvinism.

I think Muslims should convert to Calvinism.

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  1. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Who cares what you think.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      i care about it

  2. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    what's funny is that even calvinist theologians were horrified at the kind of fatalism that islam teaches

    • 6 months ago
      Dirk

      That's because the reformed view of sovereignty and providence isn't fatalistic, despite what bible college pastor Jim shrieks

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        how come you can answer convoluted mumbo jumbo unprovable rhetorical theological questions but you can’t answer simple straightforward ones?

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          It's dirk you're talking to, bro

        • 6 months ago
          Dirk

          What's your question?

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            What's your issue with pastor Jim?

          • 6 months ago
            Dirk

            He represents reinventing doctrine in the name of anti-creedalism but inevitably falls into heresy precisely due to his anti intellectualism

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            So you can only be true to the word of god if you know the original languages of the scripture and its context?

          • 6 months ago
            Dirk

            Is that what I said?

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            What did you mean with anti-intelectualism leading to heresy?

          • 6 months ago
            Dirk

            That disposition involves a hubris of thinking, "not only can I navigate all theological issues with disregard to church history, I can sort out the issues better than anyone who has litigated this before me". Anti intellect, anti credal.
            I just remark by way of observation that it always devolves into ancient heresies.

            Studying the original languages before expounding on them is part of the solution but not a sufficient guide to orthodoxy. What I want nothing to do with is any self proclaimed preacher starting a strip mall church plant on his own authority because the spirit told him to.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            Pastor Jim will always have my benefit of the doubt when compared to the mainline Protestant church in France "performs" Sodomite "marriage". I bet their decision is based on the same "Intelectualism" with which the final service of the evangelical church of Germany's final meeting declade god to be a Sodomite as well:

            %3D%3D
            I did not find a statement of the Landesbischof of my Land on this issue.

          • 6 months ago
            Dirk

            Good thing your options aren't limited to known apostates and know nothings. Go to a UNEPREF church or something.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            What are the red flags to look for during service? There clearly are compromised services during which something else is worshiped. Also about the Intelectualism: I just wanted to call to attention that it is not something inherently positive. However if pastor Jim was to lack any education on scripture that would be a worrying sign at the very least.

          • 6 months ago
            Dirk

            Start with an idea of worship regulated by scripture and compare that to what you find.
            My list would include
            >exclusive use of extemporaneous prayers (especially "lord.. just... Pour out... Father.... Lord father..." you know the kind)
            >CCM (like Hillsong)
            >Disposable cracker/juice cup for communion
            >skinny jeans on the preacher
            >branding (vinyl banners "ELEVATE CHURCH" "IN OSHKOSH AS IT IS IN HEAVEN", gaudy road signs, branded hoodies for sale)

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            Thanks, I get the rationel behind all the points but what's up with the disposible cups?

          • 6 months ago
            Dirk

            They're cheap and easy, for someone who thinks Christianity is cheap and easy

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            Ok, wow I thought you meant something else. Good night, god bless and thanks for the tip with the Calvinist church in France!

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            >skinny jeans on the preacher
            Wasn't it you who said it was a gross overstatement to label it as bad?

            They're cheap and easy, for someone who thinks Christianity is cheap and easy

            Is Christianity expensive and difficult? Or at least expensive?

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            If you’re German you have SELK or ELFK as options too.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            Of all the Landeskirchen mine is still on the more intact side of things (by my estimation).

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            Ok. Idk about you but I would discern whether I would content to be in communion with those in that video link. There is a zoomer called redeemed zoomer in America advocating for a “reconquista” of liberal churches. He’s gained some popularity. However, I think it is against scripture to be in communion with people like that.
            https://docs.google.com/document/d/17TwU57bdnAxwPI3jelNEdQ21XHKT7K4e0nBTFrab_zQ/edit

          • 6 months ago
            Dirk

            >I think it's against scripture
            Why?

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            It’s all explained in the link. Here are some excerpts if you for some reason can’t get in it.
            >The toleration of heretical teachings and beliefs, qualified as being contradictory to the clear revelation and commands of God, to any degree within or without the Church of which there is no distinction for the Christian since the commandments are an extension of God who is above all, is repugnant to God, His words, and contrary to the plain readings of Scripture; for the smallest dash of leaven causes the whole lump to rise (1 Corinthians 5:6-8; Galatians 5:9; Matthew 16:5-12).
            >God desires unity through the truth of His Word (John 17:17-19).
            >Those who resist and reject the clear words of God as revealed in the Scriptures are doing the will of their father, the Devil (John 8:44-47).
            >We are to give no semblance of unity with heretics, false teachers, or even those who denounce evil just to wink at it when they think no one is looking, for professing unity with any such persons (2 Corinthians 6:14), and thereby the larger institutions they confess and are a representative of, is taking part in theirs and the collective institution’s wicked works (1 Corinthians 5:11; Ephesians 5:6-15; 2 John 1:9-11).
            >Christians are given the command to distance themselves from false teachers and itching-eared congregations for the well-being of their souls numerous times (Matthew 7:15; Romans 16:17; 1 Timothy 4:6-7 & 16; 2 Peter 3:17). However, the method of distancing is not prescribed in definite terms, but rather that they should be cast out from the Church. Where there is no law, there is no sin (Romans 4:15). It is ideal that the individual(s) be cast out in judgement from among the body of right believers (1 Corinthians 5:5: 1 Timothy 1:20), but as the number of wolves and apostates increase in our time, those who leave the God-forsaking majority have still rightly fulfilled the commands to beware of false teachers.

          • 6 months ago
            Dirk

            I thought this would be a reconqiosta dox. What is this group?

            >Therefore, to retain God’s favor and His blessing, all attention, vigor, zeal, and funds should be directed towards pre-existing churches, institutions, and their constructions that have not abandoned the word of God- all for the sake of preserving sound doctrine and, thus, the Christian soul; for creations of men erode and come to an end (Isaiah 40:6-7), but the word of the Lord endures forever (Isaiah 40:8)

            I am very uncomfortable with the language "to retain God's favor", but regardless isn't this the point of the reconquest side? Build up existing orthodox churches while progressive modernist churches around them crumble?

            Why is it licit to do that in the SBC but not in the ABC?

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            >What is this group?
            I know of this document from Lutheran pages I follow on social media. They disagreed with the reconquista that RZ was advocating. The author of the 31 articles was supposed to debate redeemed zoomer but RZ backed out in the last minute and slandered him as being harsh and unchristian.
            >but regardless isn't this the point of the reconquest side?
            , it must be upheld that believers not be unequally yoked in the name of "re-hijacking" mainline churches. (2 Corinthians 6:14-18)
            Part of the reconquista involved him encouraging people to remain in or attempt to infiltrate mainline churches like the ELCA, or PCUSA that affirm things clearly rejected in the Bible. They would be in communion and interacting with false teachers instead of doing what God commands and distancing yourself.
            >Why is it licit to do that in the SBC but not in the ABC?
            I would say the SBC still follows through on excommunicating people and churches that allow things clearly against scripture. While the PCUSA and ABC affirm things rejected in scripture.

          • 6 months ago
            Dirk

            So? SBC and ABC churches alike are autonomous congregations, the denominations are just fellowships. There are churches with bad theology in both. What's your standard?

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            The standard would be the clear scripture and the unity around that. A fellowship is still a semblance of unity. Professing fellowship with them and thereby the larger institution they confess is taking part in theirs and the collective’s institutions wicked works. They may be autonomous and reject the false teaching, but as long as they’re still in fellowship with ones that do false teaching. It is against scripture (1 Corinthians 5:11; Ephesians 5:6-15; 2 John 1:9-11).

          • 6 months ago
            Dirk

            What denomination are you a part of where you believe every constituent church has every doctrine right?

            The ACNA is the Evangelical offshoot of TEC but they permit both sides of the women's ordination issue. You find it impossible to join an ACNA church, given that you have one or the other view on this issue?

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            I am in the LCMS.
            >You find it impossible to join an ACNA church, given that you have one or the other view on this issue?
            Yes. Women’s ordination is clearly prohibited.

          • 6 months ago
            Dirk

            I don't think your position is tenable but at least your denomination practices what you're saying. I find it absurd to accuse others of malpractice because their autonomous churches are associated with errant churches. In the ACNA it's an entire confederate province that's opposed (to woman's ordination) and an entire other province that's for it, much like the interdenominational bodies the lcms itself is part of. Episcopal polity makes it messier though.

            I wonder if you find the latitude of liturgy and worship style in the lcms to be objectionable.

            >skinny jeans on the preacher
            Wasn't it you who said it was a gross overstatement to label it as bad?
            [...]
            Is Christianity expensive and difficult? Or at least expensive?

            It's a red flag

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            > I find it absurd to accuse others of malpractice because their autonomous churches are associated with errant churches.
            A little leaven leavens the whole lump(1 Corinthians 5:6-8; Galatians 5:9; Matthew 16:5-12). God desires unity through the strength of his word( John 17:17-19)
            > I wonder if you find the latitude of liturgy and worship style in the lcms to be objectionable
            I would desire uniformity in the liturgy and worship style but it’s not against scripture unless you think it is. But all it would take to change it is a growing sentiment in congregations and pastors for a more reverent service. I honestly see signs that that could happen. More people in my church are making the sign of the cross and being more reverent than I’ve seen before.

            >I know of this document from Lutheran pages I follow on social media.
            LCMS or ELCA or LCMC or NALC

            LCMS

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            >I know of this document from Lutheran pages I follow on social media.
            LCMS or ELCA or LCMC or NALC

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            You do know John Calvin was a murderer, correct? You need to repent and go to a KJV church.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            Why is it called sneeds?

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            Chuck or Sneed?

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        >That's because the reformed view of sovereignty and providence isn't fatalistic
        Pretty sure you being saved only because God picked you implies fatalism.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      If you've ever driven in a town with a large Muslim population, you'll see the effect that fatalism has on their decision making irl lol. They're absolute maniacs and shouldn't be allowed behind the wheel.

  3. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Is Salafism just the Muslim equivalent of Protestantism?

  4. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Trinitarianism has no Biblical basis. All forms of Christianity are corrupted with innovated beliefs and practices

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      Still better than Islam

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        Allah has closed the hearts of people who do not listen to reason

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          You reason of nothing righteous in your total depravity reprobate. Don't lay your human deficiencies at the feet of God.

  5. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beeldenstorm

    I hate Calvinists more every day.

    >Beeldenstorm (pronounced [ˈbeːldə(n)ˌstɔr(ə)m]) in Dutch and Bildersturm [ˈbJldɐˌʃtʊʁm] in German (roughly translatable from both languages as 'attack on the images or statues') are terms used for outbreaks of destruction of religious images that occurred in Europe in the 16th century, known in English as the Great Iconoclasm or Iconoclastic Fury and in French as the Furie iconoclaste. During these spates of iconoclasm, Catholic art and many forms of church fittings and decoration were destroyed in unofficial or mob actions by Calvinist Protestant crowds as part of the Protestant Reformation.[2][3] Most of the destruction was of art in churches and public places.[4]

    • 6 months ago
      Dirk

      >st bartholemews day massacre
      I sleep
      >beeldenstorm
      REAL SHIT?

      -catholics

  6. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    How will that change my life exactly?

  7. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Muslims = morons
    Calvinists = morons

    Muslims = Calvinists

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Muslims = mega morons
      Fixed.

  8. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    I'd love to hear any intellectual argument as to why EVERYONE shouldn't convert to Calvinism

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's an unreasonable interpretation of doctrine. That's why.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        Orthodox Calvinism is the most doctrinally sound Christian interpretation of scripture and it's not even close. The only person to whom it would be 'unreasonable' is someone who prefers a 'looser' interpretation and therefore finds Calvinism more 'disagreeable' than 'unreasonable'.

  9. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    TULIP sounds like a form of gaslighting to me

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