I know someone who is a self proclaimed Christian, but does not believe in the divinity of Jesus.

I know someone who is a self proclaimed Christian, but does not believe in the divinity of Jesus. They claim that they follow the teachings and philosophy of the historical Jesus of Nazareth and that he was an important figure, but that he was not the son of God. What is this sort of belief called? He didn’t know what to call it either.

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  1. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    jesus himself said that if you truly believe he is good then he is also god,
    >why do you call me good? no one is good but God. Mark 10:18

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      This wasn’t really my question, But my friend actually had an answer for this as well. He figures that all the shit about Jesus doing miracles was written about by his followers essentially aggrandizing him, and that any quote where Jesus says anything to the effect of “I am the son of god, I am divine” etc are a result of this. Again, not what I believe, just what he tells me.

  2. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    I think it's unironically called atheist Christianity or secular Christianity or something. There have been cases of this before. But as C.S.Lewis points out, Christ makes it extremely difficult to let you take him as a mere philosopher or an ethicist.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      >as C.S.Lewis points out, Christ makes it extremely difficult to let you take him as a mere philosopher or an ethicist.

      Can you relay his argument here? Will you?

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        Sure. There are two obstacles for the secular reader:
        1) Christ constantly refers to God.
        And to prophets, spirits and his relationship to all these. The amount of work you would have to put into philosophizing or intellectualizing the Sermon on the Mount alone is perhaps grander than the effort you need to make leap of faith from atheism to theism. And in some cases you will inevitably fail and you will be locked in an odd dissonance where Christ is at once a genius philosopher but also a schizo who thinks we will ascend and sit at the right hand of Power.
        2) Christ's ethics don't work without God.
        Abandoning your children and wife for Christ, calling gentiles dogs, suffering injustice instead of fighting it at all... without an eternal God in the picture, Christ's ethics are ridiculous or even downright harmful. He did not come to bring a system of ethics and he never did. Christian ethics are just an extension of the rituals we perform. Without God they fall apart.

        TLDR: with God out of the picture, Christ would be just a mentally ill rebel corrupting our morals

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          Thank you

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          This.

          You can't claim to follow the teachings of Jesus when he claims thatthe greatest commanment, even greater than loving your neighbor as yourself, is to love God with all your heart, soul and mind.

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          I definitely find it all interesting that we basically do that exact thing in our world today, most Western "agnostics" or "atheists" are basically just Unitarian Universalists. (or just simply "Universalists" minus the "Unitarian", since an atheist Unitarian is a contradiction in terms)

          And if the world seems crazy, well, that's what you get trying to secularize theologically-based ethics.

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          botched his argument, tbh.
          Lewis puts it in a way better language, and does not commit the gaffe of misintepreting texts like the encounter with the Samaritan woman.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Lewis puts it in a way better language
            No shit. He was a legendary writer.
            >misintepreting texts like the encounter with the Samaritan woman
            You mean the Phoenician/Greek woman? I didn't offer an interpretation. I pointed out that secular morality has a problem with his actions no matter their interpretation.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            yeah, the problem is that the implied meaning you gave was that he simply "called her a dog" for no reason/as prejudice, which isn't proper.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            What I implied is that without God in the picture, the reason doesn't matter.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            ah, got it.
            i misunderstood then. apologies.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            No problem, my writing really is much poorer than Lewis'.

  3. 6 months ago
    Dirk

    Jeffersonian deism

  4. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    That’s just Jordan Peterson.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      Peterson doesn't reject divinity of Jesus, he just doesn't want to commit to the term until he really understands what it means. Which is fair and futile at the same time.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        >he believes the divinity of Jesus… but doesn’t want to commit
        So… that’s Jordan Peterson.

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          >seeking clarity
          it is

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            He denies the “clarity” of Jesus divinity. Yes. That is what we are agreeing on.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            He denies "clarity" of divinity as a term. Might I also point out this it your second strawman in 5 minutes? Chances are it's not Peterson who's to be suspect of dishonesty...

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            I don’t know what you are doing. There are people who say Jesus is the divine son of god and he is not one of them. He denies the divinity of Jesus. You can word that however you want.

            >he is waiting for people to divine what divinity means properly

            He denies the divinity of Christ. Get over it.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            >I think A is B
            >>I think B is not a properly defined enough term to really make a declarative statement on anything.
            >so you think A is not B?
            >>I think B is not properly defined
            >So you deny that A can be B as you define that B in anyone’s terms can be properly defined?
            >>I think B is not properly defined.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            >"I will not utter words I can't define, but I give my life to Christ"
            >Apparently words of an unbeliever

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yes because he is saying that Christ himself could not define his own divinity. He likes the political implications of America (or Canada since he is Canadian) staying majority Christian like when he was young but he doesn’t actually believe. That’s what it is.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            >saying that Christ himself could not define his own divinity
            Nobody said this

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            If he denies that he can define Christ’s divinity then that means he denies the very clear written remarks about Christ from the gospels. Why are you twisting words around like the people you claim to hate?

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            I didn't twist any word. If you think divinity is "defined" in the New (or the Old) Testament, I will be glad to read your references. Because I've never seen a definition. And neither has Peterson, I reckon. So he refuses to use the word. But he is on record many times stating he would bet his life on God etc. and on Christ in particular afaik.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            Okay, well Christianity is not about “betting on it.” It’s not you bet it’s real but if it’s not then hey, whatever! It very clearly says that Jesus is the son of god and thus shares in his divinity (or it would seem that way to anyone not intentionally shifting words around). Saying you have to wait to properly define it is a really crappy way to not dedicate yourself to Christ when asked about it while still attempting to appear rational to those you might drive away. The fact you seem to fall for this conman style ruse says a lot about your mental faculties.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Christianity is not about “betting on it.”
            Betting your life is what a leap of faith is.
            >if it's not then hey, whatever!
            Dying is whatever?
            >It very clearly says that Jesus is the son of god and thus shares in his divinity
            Agreed. What is this divinity?
            >not dedicate yourself to Christ
            Right, betting your life is sort of a place-holder for a real dedication... like... uhhh.... ?

  5. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    >I know someone who is a self proclaimed Christian, but does not believe in the divinity of Jesus.
    Then he's not a Christian.
    >They claim that they follow the teachings and philosophy of the historical Jesus of Nazareth and that he was an important figure, but that he was not the son of God. What is this sort of belief called?
    Islam.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      I know you’re trolling, but just to clarify, he is agnostic/irreligious when it comes to the exist of a demiurge. He claims to not care about that at least at this point in his life.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        >I know you’re trolling
        I'm not. Believing that Jesus was a just and moral man, important for world history but not the son of God or anything more than a human man is exactly what Islam claims about Jesus, your friend is closer to Islam than any Christian sect.
        >but just to clarify, he is agnostic/irreligious when it comes to the exist of a demiurge.
        Don't you mean God? Why do you go directly for Gnosticism.

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          The definition of the word demiurge is “a being responsible for the creation of the universe”. No idea why you’re suddenly bringing up Gnosticism, I barely even know what that is.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            >No idea why you’re suddenly bringing up Gnosticism, I barely even know what that is.
            Because only gnostics use that term.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            Well I’m not a Gnostic and I just used it, so you’re wrong.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            You are a gnostic, though.

            I know it.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        He's like some kind of agnostic christian then? Does he purposely do good thinking "This is good"? Does he purposely not do evil thinking "The doing of evil is not good"?

        There are certainly worse mindsets in the world. If he does above, then its good that he's heard of Jesus.

  6. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    That's Arianism. The guy who promoted that got punched at the Council of Nicaea and the creed from that council specifically denounces it (if you know the Nicene Creed you'll know what I'm talking about) but there are still people today who believe it, Jehovah's Witnesses.

    Although they deny it.

  7. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    >What is this sort of belief called? He didn’t know what to call it either.
    The future.

  8. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Does he believe in God at all?

  9. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nontrinitarianism

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Nontrinitarianism
      aka Islam

  10. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Is Donald Trump the most famous person in the world? it's hard to believe and understand the appeal, why do you think he's so well known?

  11. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Fist Jesus considered himself the Messenger of God. Then he understood his proximity to God and said he was the Son of God. Finally he understood who he was and said that he and God are one.

    What Jesus did, every single human being will do. But right now, most people can't even be considered human beings, since they act like animals or demons.

    The same divinity people recognize in Jesus is present in every being. To disconsider the divinity in Jesus and in yourself is a sign of ignorance.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      mmmmm, delicious leaps of logic and non sequitur conclusions.

  12. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    What do you think of this, this, rise of Donald Trump?

  13. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Jehovah's Witnesses

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