How have Persian been so influential throughtout history? The last major Islamic empires were highly Persianized.

How have Persian been so influential throughtout history? The last major Islamic empires were highly Persianized.

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  1. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    >The last major Islamic empires were highly Persianized.
    TOPKEK
    there is no fricking way you homosexuals actually believe in this
    All 3 of those countries were Turkic

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      How Iranians Cope, that turks made they shia?

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      Only thing "turkic" about them was their genes, they were Persianized in every way imaginable.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      Nice cope turkroach, "turks" are mixed mutt race, pure subhuman animals.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      Tell me more, Anonpasha. Which, by the way, is what your super "Turkic" sultan would have called you in his court system that was a wholesale ripoff of Persian customs.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Ottomans
      Greeks and ballkanoids that had turkish as the official language(persian was for the elite)
      >safavids
      Iranians who butchered turks and Ottomans
      >Mughals
      Mongols with iranic admixture whoever spoke persian.

  2. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Something about it being a b***h actually getting up in the highlands where they all live. Apparently pritty easy place to defend

  3. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    The Mughals were weebs for Persian cultures and they used Persian (Farsi?) as an administrative language iirc. They weren't ethnically Persian

  4. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    >How have Persian been so influential throughtout history? The last major Islamic empires were highly Persianized.
    They were arguably more important before Islam.
    t. Sassanid enjoyer

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      >They were arguably more important before Islam
      Iran was at its social and economic peak in the 10th century

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        early 6th century - mid 7th century

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          >early 6th century - mid 7th century
          This was an awful period. What the frick are you smoking

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        That would the achaemenid or sassanid period when they basically owned the middle east and much of the world's population

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          >That would the achaemenid or sassanid period when they basically owned the middle east and much of the world's population
          No. In terms of cultural output and economic prosperity the 10th century eclipses all other periods. This is when Khorasan was at its peak with its cities having hundreds of thousands and when New Persian gained prominence. Western Persia was no slouch either in this period with the buyids presiding over a period of architectural advancement and produced and patronized the most famous scholars of the period.
          >they basically owned the middle east and much of the world's population
          extracting tribute is a meaningless accomplishment if you produce nothing with it

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            >cultural output
            Like what? Ancient Persian culture basically set the foundation for Islamic culture in the middle east. From architecture, art, administration and court. Even the house od wisdom comes from gondishapur. I don't think I need to bring up the cyrus cylindar and how ahead of its time it was or zoroastrianism which outright influenced judaism, christianity and islam. Early Islamic Iran while cool produced nothing significant outside of ferdowsi and avicenna

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Ancient Persian culture basically set the foundation for Islamic culture in the middle east. From architecture, art, administration and court
            You mean Mesopotamian culture which the Persians blatantly ripped off? Besides the arabs took more from the Romans.
            >gondishapur
            The most famous story involving this is neoplatonists going there after Justinian closed down their school and them returning to the Roman empire a few years later because they hated it there.
            >I don't think I need to bring up the cyrus cylindar
            muh originator of human right shit which is no one takes this seriously.
            >zoroastrianism which outright influenced judaism, christianity and islam
            Zoroastrianism didn't even become codified until the Sassanid period. The only one you can make a case for is Islam.
            >Early Islamic Iran while cool produced nothing significant outside of ferdowsi and avicenna
            more like those are the only two figures you know about. One because of nationalism and the other made famous by the west. This time period is the one where Persian poetry took off and became a thing. The Romans took a mere fraction of the time to turn their language into a prestigious language on par with Greek. Meanwhile the Achaemenid, Parthian, and Sassanid kings were lazy fricks who continued to use existing structures to the extent that Aramaic was above Persian in the Sassanid period. Aramaic literally travelled to India and fricking Mongolia in this time period as the scripts used there were derived from Aramaic. while Old and Middle Persian were only used in the confines of Iran proper. New Persian was the form of Persian that spread beyond Persia itself. Again the comparison here is the Ottoman which also infamously produced very little other than expanding into a large empire

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            >You mean Mesopotamian culture which the Persians blatantly ripped off
            pic related sums it up pretty well. Persian culture was this hodgepodge of Mespotamian and Steppe tradition with Hellenism thrown into the mix later

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            >You mean Mesopotamian culture
            That is the achaemenids yes but everyone has to start from somewhere
            >The most famous story involving
            And? It was still the main influence for baghdad lol
            >which is no one takes this seriously.
            A lot do actually. One of the reasons Cyrus is more famous than any caliph
            >The only one you can make a case for is Islam.
            Its well known that certain concepts like paradise, satan, angels and more are from zoroastrianism
            >to turn their language into a prestigious language on par with Greek.
            Context is important here. The reason latin became so prominent is because the Romans were imposing it on cultures that were barely urbanized and sparsely populated. Its easy to make your language dominant when you colonize lands. Meanwhile, the Persians conquered territories that were already heavily urbanized and densly populated so it would be hard to impose Persian on those lands. It made sense why Aramaic was above Persian since most of the population was speaking it and helped keep law and order around.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            >And? It was still the main influence for baghdad lol
            no. It's a holdover from the hellenistic era in terms of how it functioned.
            >A lot do actually. One of the reasons Cyrus is more famous than any caliph
            Literally nobody does this except Persians. Same applies to other ethnicities who spout the same bs about their historical figures
            >Its well known that certain concepts like paradise, satan, angels and more are from zoroastrianism
            lmao every single culture has these figures.
            >Context is important here. The reason latin became so prominent is because the Romans were imposing it on cultures that were barely urbanized and sparsely populated. Its easy to make your language dominant when you colonize lands. Meanwhile, the Persians conquered territories that were already heavily urbanized and densly populated so it would be hard to impose Persian on those lands. It made sense why Aramaic was above Persian since most of the population was speaking it and helped keep law and order around.
            This is some pathetic cope. North Africa was not sparsely populated. Neither was Gaul. Romans also did not snuff out local languages and those lasted centuries alongside Latin. However, Latin was an administrative language that people patronized deliberately in the late republican era. The comparison to Persian is apt because none of the Persian dynasties did nothing in terms of cultivating their language. Also Aramaic literally spread beyond the borders of the empire because unlike their persian overlords they put effort into this aspect. Aramaic literature utterly eclipses Persian literature in the pre islamic era to an absurd degree.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Aramaic literature utterly eclipses Persian literature in the pre islamic era to an absurd degree.
            You cant be serious

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            >You cant be serious
            You're delusional if you actually think otherwise.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            >It's a holdover from the hellenistic era in terms of how it functioned.
            And the house of wisdom wouldn't exist without it
            >Literally nobody does this except Persians.
            This guy actually thinks cyrus the great isn't world famous lmao
            >every single culture has these figures.
            Not judaism initially
            >North Africa was not sparsely populated. Neither was Gaul
            Compared to the middle east they absolutely were
            >in terms of cultivating their language.
            They did lol. Middle Persian was still an important language
            >Aramaic literature utterly eclipses Persian literature in the pre islamic era
            Aramaic is much older than persian and unfortuntely we lost a lot of records from the achaemenids and sassanids

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          >That would the achaemenid or sassanid period when they basically owned the middle east and much of the world's population
          No. In terms of cultural output and economic prosperity the 10th century eclipses all other periods. This is when Khorasan was at its peak with its cities having hundreds of thousands and when New Persian gained prominence. Western Persia was no slouch either in this period with the buyids presiding over a period of architectural advancement and produced and patronized the most famous scholars of the period.
          >they basically owned the middle east and much of the world's population
          extracting tribute is a meaningless accomplishment if you produce nothing with it

          For example most Achaemenid tribute came from its Indian provinces but there is next to little architectural evidence of their presence meaning they literally did nothing. Aramaic was the main language of the Achaemenid and even later empires leaving Persian neglected. Even in the Sasanian period Middle Persian had a lower status than Aramaic. Compare that to Rome when Latin when from a joke language to a respected literary language in the in the late republic/early empire era. Again I'll stress map painting is useless if you have nothing else.

  5. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Honestly the Achaemenid and Sasanian empires remind me of the Ottoman empire. Big and successful empires sure but they produced jack shit

  6. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    What if Japan was Persianized instead sino influence

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      How exactly would the Persian influence get there

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peroz_III

  7. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Iranians are incapable of doing anything worthwhile without a Turkic leader

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elam
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medes
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achaemenid_Empire
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parthian_Empire
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sasanian_Empire

  8. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    persians havent been that influential let's be honest here

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