How exactly can God assume human form? Like, can God change his form? Wouldn't he stop being God in the process?

How exactly can God assume human form? Like, can God change his form? Wouldn't he stop being God in the process?

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  1. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    All forms are His.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      But each form is not God itself, just a part of God

      Easy, he's God. Even in the OT he did this (the Angel of the Lord theophanies). You should ask why instead.

      The Angel of the Lord would be of God but not God itself, no?

      In the Quran, it is said that God does not disdain to "coin the similitude of even a gnat" (english translation).

      I think God does whatever he wants, truly and purely.

      Don't you think that God would stop being God in the process (of becoming man)?

      If God wasn't capable of becoming Man, then he wouldn't precisely be God would he?
      God by necessity is All, there is nothing that can be outside of God.
      I don't know how mainstream Christianity sees it, but as a Gnostic it's as follows; God - The Godhead - Monad - however you want to call Them is the divine All, is the complete Fullness or Pleroma, which is everything, the entire spiritual realm. It is God.
      Sophia and Christ are immaterial Aeons within the Fullness of the spiritual realm / within the Fullness of God, and even if Aeons are removed from the Fullness into the material Universe (as happened with Sophia and Christ), they don't lose their quality.
      So when Christ became incarnate in the material, he is God, he is God who is immaterial, who has descended and taken the form of the material for the sake of our own salvation.

      >If God wasn't capable of becoming Man, then he wouldn't precisely be God would he?
      Omnipotence doesn't allow contradictory things, no? Like creating a rock it cannot lift.
      And you described Christ as an Aeon, so Christ would be a part of God, not God itself. So God becoming a part of itself would imply God stopping to be God itself, no?

      God is a being. Like a human, he has certain qualities, but each of those individual qualities don't make him who he is. If I were to be blinded and had my legs chopped off, I'd still be me, just crippled.

      Also, as far as Jesus goes, God never stopped being God just because the Word became flesh.

      So Jesus is a part of God, right? God becoming a part of itself wouls imply God stopping to be God, no?

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >So Jesus is a part of God, right? God becoming a part of itself wouls imply God stopping to be God, no?
        Jesus is not part of God, Jesus is God. God doesn't function like a human does.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          I don't get how Jesus is God

          >Don't you think that God would stop being God in the process (of becoming man)?
          I don't think that God would stop being God in the process (of becoming man).

          He would become another thing, no?

          Jesus said (possible paraphrase) "Dont ye know, be ye gods?"

          The essential nature of God and all beings is not constrained by human birth or lower or higher. But that isn't the commonest of knowledge. Still, if you treat all beings with utmost respect, even more respect than yourself (if such a thing were possible), then you would see after death, at the break up of the body, something most superlative indeed (pleasant, likeable, agreeable, desirable, heavenly rebirth even).

          Wouldn't human birth imply God becoming another thing?

          >But each form is not God itself, just a part of God
          Says who?

          Say God is the set of all forms. Then each form is a part of the set, not the entire set (God).

          God shaped the world with his hand. Shaping one body is nothing. But he exists far beyond that.

          >Shaping one body is nothing.
          But Incarnation is not just shaping a human body. It's becoming that human being. Wouldn't God become another thing and stop being God in the process?

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >He would become another thing, no?
            I think otherwise. I don't think that its by virtue of form, human or non-human, that one who is known as God is truly that thing.

            >Wouldn't human birth imply God becoming another thing?
            See above.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            I just can't understand how God can assume any other form than its original one, so to say. Like, can God change its form? Can God even change?

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            I think I read that the Buddha could appear in different forms. I think I've read of other saints changing their form as well. So, if god is so high and mighty (and I don't think he ISN'T that), why couldn't God.

            I don't think God changes, but I think he can change his form. God probably has that ageless and timeless rizz, always appropriate.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >I don't think God changes, but I think he can change his form
            Isn't changing its form changing, though?

            Well. He didn't "assume" he became. That's not just in theory or assumption but the church says assutions are when yoj go to heaven, I supposey like the assumption of holy Mary of Magdalene j mean the church doesn't say she was assumed but ok that's not my business I believe it I suplose.

            Right, but wouldn't God change its form when becoming God?

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >I don't get how Jesus is God
            That's understandable. It's hard to wrap your head around, because nothing in the universe functions like God. It's like the spiritual equivalent of a 2D person trying to understand a 3D reality.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Do you have any form of explanation or demonstration, especially other than quoting the Bible?

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Don't you think that God would stop being God in the process (of becoming man)?
        I don't think that God would stop being God in the process (of becoming man).

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Jesus said (possible paraphrase) "Dont ye know, be ye gods?"

        The essential nature of God and all beings is not constrained by human birth or lower or higher. But that isn't the commonest of knowledge. Still, if you treat all beings with utmost respect, even more respect than yourself (if such a thing were possible), then you would see after death, at the break up of the body, something most superlative indeed (pleasant, likeable, agreeable, desirable, heavenly rebirth even).

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >But each form is not God itself, just a part of God
        Says who?

  2. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Easy, he's God. Even in the OT he did this (the Angel of the Lord theophanies). You should ask why instead.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >You should ask why instead.

      I agree.

  3. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    In the Quran, it is said that God does not disdain to "coin the similitude of even a gnat" (english translation).

    I think God does whatever he wants, truly and purely.

  4. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    If God wasn't capable of becoming Man, then he wouldn't precisely be God would he?
    God by necessity is All, there is nothing that can be outside of God.
    I don't know how mainstream Christianity sees it, but as a Gnostic it's as follows; God - The Godhead - Monad - however you want to call Them is the divine All, is the complete Fullness or Pleroma, which is everything, the entire spiritual realm. It is God.
    Sophia and Christ are immaterial Aeons within the Fullness of the spiritual realm / within the Fullness of God, and even if Aeons are removed from the Fullness into the material Universe (as happened with Sophia and Christ), they don't lose their quality.
    So when Christ became incarnate in the material, he is God, he is God who is immaterial, who has descended and taken the form of the material for the sake of our own salvation.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Would really also like to know how Catholics and Protestants or whatever other mainstream sect interprets their answer to OPs question too btw.
      It seems most are satisfied to leave it at "He's God so he can do what he wants", and while it might be tedious to explain on Oyish I'm sure at least Catholics have some deeper explanation for how God becoming Man occurs, rather than just accepting it without explanation?

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      God is a being. Like a human, he has certain qualities, but each of those individual qualities don't make him who he is. If I were to be blinded and had my legs chopped off, I'd still be me, just crippled.

      Also, as far as Jesus goes, God never stopped being God just because the Word became flesh.

  5. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    God shaped the world with his hand. Shaping one body is nothing. But he exists far beyond that.

  6. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    NDErs have answers to all of these questions. And NDEs are actually solid proof of life after death, because anyone can have them if they come close to and survive death. And they are so extremely real to those who have them: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U00ibBGZp7o

    As this NDEr described their NDE:

    >"Now, what heaven looks like? 'OMG' doesn't even describe how beautiful this place is. Heaven is, there are no words. I mean, I could sit here and just not say anything and just cry, and that would be what heaven looks like. There are mountains of beauty, there are things in this realm, you can't even describe how beautiful this place is. There are colors you can't even imagine, there are sounds you can't even create. There are beauties upon this world that you think are beautiful here. Amplify it over there times a billion. There are, it's incredibly beautiful, there's no words to describe how beautiful this place is, it's incredibly gorgeous."

    And importantly, even dogmatic skeptics have this reaction, because the NDE convinces everyone:
    https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/mysteries-consciousness/202204/does-afterlife-obviously-exist

    So anyone would be convinced if they had an NDE, we already know this, no one's skepticism is unique. And the book in pic related is known to convince even hardened skeptics that there is an afterlife.

    >muh brain chemistry

    Neuroscientists are convinced by NDEs too. What do skeptics think they understand that neuroscientists do not?

    >muh DMT causes it

    Scientifically refuted already, and NDErs who have done DMT too say that the DMT experience, while alien and really cool and fun, was still underwhelming to the point of being a joke when compared to the NDE.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      I'm not really thinking whether there is life after death though, I'm just saying I don't get how God becoming another thing doesn't make it stop being God in the process. How would this book answer this?

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Jesus is not the omnipotent god

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >And NDEs are actually solid proof of life after death, because anyone can have them if they come close to and survive death.
      I believe in life after death but you should be aware that there are people who have NDE's who either can recollect nothing or cannot recollect anything. This is employed as proof for the lack of afterlife. Because this is the case, I wouldn't call NDE stories solid proof, except that it is accepted as such.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >>>/x/

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          I'm speaking about logic, not /x/. Keep up and attend to themes admirably. That's what is best for you.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Let's worship comic characters.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Let's not worship comic characters.

  7. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    You fricking people know nothing about God, why are you posting cartoon pics?

  8. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Well. He didn't "assume" he became. That's not just in theory or assumption but the church says assutions are when yoj go to heaven, I supposey like the assumption of holy Mary of Magdalene j mean the church doesn't say she was assumed but ok that's not my business I believe it I suplose.

  9. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    If Allah can be understood by reading a book, then he can also be understood by studying a man.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      That doesn't prove Jesus is God though

      There's a being that always speaks the truth, and will always speak the truth.

      But one day - he turns to you and says :
      "I'm a liar"
      What do you call him?
      "A liar"
      Yes.
      But did he lie?

      Not gonna lie. After typing it out - that hurts my head.

      I'm really starting to form a distaste for riddles.

      Some thoughts are demonic in origin.
      Sometimes it's better to just do as your told, when instructed by those that know.

      Depends on what he lied about. If it's about being a liar, no. If it's about that other previous thing, yes. Depends on what is your definition of "liar" and on what he lied. It's easy. But I don't see how it's related to my questions in the OP.

      Omnipotence

      God can't do contradictory things like creating a rock it cannot lift, though. So that's why I'm arguing for God changing being a contradiction. Because it would stop being God. And God can't stop being God, right? Anyway Jesus wouldn't be God, right?

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >God can't do contradictory things like creating a rock it cannot lift, though.
        Yes he can; omnipotence

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          If he did it he would stop being omnipotent in your definition, so it can't. And it it changed, it would stop being God, so Jesus wouldn't be God anyway.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >If he did it he would stop being omnipotent in your definition
            No he woulden't because God is omnipotent; you are trying to hold God accountable with somenthing he can manipulate at will; it's like trying to hold a fantasy book author accountable to the made up magic system in the story

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            God would be able to limit Himself, as if he couldn't do so, that'd be a limitation in of itself

            That's the paradox. If God created that rock, and it couldn't lift it, then there would be a thing it wouldn't be able to do, violating ommipotency. If you say God could create such a rock, you're saying God can have limits.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            While I think God can do paradoxes, even if he couldn't, I could see the argument made that people view omnipotence too broadly and he would still be omnipotent. Some sentences are nonsense, like "can God create triangular squares." While I think yes, it is completely reasonable to think that God can't do nonsense things and still view him as omnipotent.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            But so then you consider God becoming man nonsensical and contradictory?

            God is a Pantheist entity. He is each and every one of us simultaneously.
            As such, he is/was/will be Jesus.
            Humans cannot understand the infinite, nor different dimensions, so attaching a concept of God on to a human character like Jesus is a way for humans to simplify the complexity of the universe.

            I was thinking more about the non-Pantheistic Christian view, but in the Pantheistic conception wouldn't Jesus be just a part of the universe and so a part of God?

            God himself did not take the form of a human, he created a human that has his personality and thought process. Jesus isn't god.

            Jesus is not the omnipotent god

            That would seem more comprehensible, but I'm thinking about the view that God became man and that Jesus is God. What religion are you of?

            Why has nobody posted any scripture to answer this question

            I was actually looking for logical explanations though, especially those that don't just appeal to the Bible.

            [...]
            >In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
            John 1:1

            >The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
            John 1:14

            [...]
            God wouldn't stop being God because God is a being, not a definition. As for Bible verses, All I have is a bunch of scripture that says God can do anything. If he can do anything, I don't see why he couldn't become a human and still be God, even ignoring the fact he became a human and remained God at the same time.

            >Is anything too hard for the Lord? I will return to you at the appointed time next year, and Sarah will have a son.”
            Genesis 18:14

            >“I know that you can do all things;
            >no purpose of yours can be thwarted.
            Job 42:2

            >I am the Lord, the God of all mankind. Is anything too hard for me?
            Jeremiah 32:27

            >Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but not with God; all things are possible with God.”
            Mark 10:27

            >Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.
            Matthew 19:26

            >God wouldn't stop being God because God is a being, not a definition. As for Bible verses, All I have is a bunch of scripture that says God can do anything. If he can do anything, I don't see why he couldn't become a human and still be God, even ignoring the fact he became a human and remained God at the same time.
            But so you at least consider God becoming man something contradictory (because he would change to become another thing)?

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >But so then you consider God becoming man nonsensical and contradictory?
            >But so you at least consider God becoming man something contradictory (because he would change to become another thing)?
            He would still be God, just like I would still be me if I was turned into a hyper intelligent squirrel.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            If you turned into a hyper intelligent squirrel, do you agree that you would change? Can God change though?

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            God can change if he wanted to.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            But God would stop being God if it changed, no? It would become another thing by changing.

            >Jesus is God
            Jesus is God by definition.
            It doesn't need to be proven. No one reads a definition in a dictionary, and then says to the dictionary, "prove it".

            What is the source for this definition? Who told this definition?

            It's Like Looking In A Mirror. He Had To See An Identity.

            But in the Incarnation doesn't God change in the process of becoming a man?

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >But God would stop being God if it changed, no? It would become another thing by changing.
            No, he would still be God. People can change and still be the same people.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >People can change and still be the same people.
            What do you mean? Technically they become different.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yes, but he's still God.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            God can create such rock without violating omnipotence

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            God would be able to limit Himself, as if he couldn't do so, that'd be a limitation in of itself

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Jesus is God
        Jesus is God by definition.
        It doesn't need to be proven. No one reads a definition in a dictionary, and then says to the dictionary, "prove it".

  10. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    There's a being that always speaks the truth, and will always speak the truth.

    But one day - he turns to you and says :
    "I'm a liar"
    What do you call him?
    "A liar"
    Yes.
    But did he lie?

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Not gonna lie. After typing it out - that hurts my head.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      I'm really starting to form a distaste for riddles.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Some thoughts are demonic in origin.
      Sometimes it's better to just do as your told, when instructed by those that know.

  11. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Omnipotence

  12. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    I recently started reading the book of Genesis and it’s interesting how God is portrayed as being essentially a man, with magic powers. There’s a passage where Eve hears God’s footsteps in the garden of Eden and hides in the bushes, and then he calls out to her “where are you”? So the He fee God is not this omniscient, omnipresent being many would think of as “god”, he had a physical, corporeal form and walks on the earth, long before Jesus.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      So you are saying it didn't transcend matter? Strange definition of God.

  13. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    God is a Pantheist entity. He is each and every one of us simultaneously.
    As such, he is/was/will be Jesus.
    Humans cannot understand the infinite, nor different dimensions, so attaching a concept of God on to a human character like Jesus is a way for humans to simplify the complexity of the universe.

  14. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    God himself did not take the form of a human, he created a human that has his personality and thought process. Jesus isn't god.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Jesus is not the omnipotent god

      >In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
      John 1:1

      >The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
      John 1:14

      Why has nobody posted any scripture to answer this question

      God wouldn't stop being God because God is a being, not a definition. As for Bible verses, All I have is a bunch of scripture that says God can do anything. If he can do anything, I don't see why he couldn't become a human and still be God, even ignoring the fact he became a human and remained God at the same time.

      >Is anything too hard for the Lord? I will return to you at the appointed time next year, and Sarah will have a son.”
      Genesis 18:14

      >“I know that you can do all things;
      >no purpose of yours can be thwarted.
      Job 42:2

      >I am the Lord, the God of all mankind. Is anything too hard for me?
      Jeremiah 32:27

      >Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but not with God; all things are possible with God.”
      Mark 10:27

      >Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.
      Matthew 19:26

  15. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why has nobody posted any scripture to answer this question

  16. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >"Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. No one is good except God alone.
    -Mark 10:18
    Jesus is not God but his emissary and son.
    his presence exhales divinity and whom welcomes him welcomes God.
    in the same way, when a christian gives you Christ's love you receive Christ, his kingdom came closer to you.
    it's more nuanced than what absolutists tell you i guess.
    the Kingdom itself is one but its manifestations are limited because of this world's limitations.
    God is all-powerful but this world is fragile so there is that..

  17. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Funny how he could only do it when society had no video cameras.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      funny how you'd say it's CGI

  18. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's Like Looking In A Mirror. He Had To See An Identity.

  19. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >How exactly can God assume human form?
    From the Spirit of God and body of the Theotokos.
    > Like, can God change his form?
    God can do anything.
    >Wouldn't he stop being God in the process?
    No. One nature does not necessarily replace another, just like iron doesn't necessarily cease being iron when assuming heat, a completely separate phenomenon.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >From the Spirit of God and body of the Theotokos
      Why wouldn't that be another being other than God itself?
      >God can do anything.
      Not contradictory things like creating a rock it cannot lift though. Also, do you believe God can change?
      >One nature does not necessarily replace another, just like iron doesn't necessarily cease being iron when assuming heat, a completely separate phenomenon.
      Hot iron is different than cold iron though.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Complementing: the nature of iron may be the same, but the being would change somehow.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Why wouldn't that be another being other than God itself?
        Why isn't anything other than it was? God willed it so.
        >>God can do anything.
        >Not contradictory
        Even contradictory. Such as defeating death by dying.
        >Hot iron is different than cold iron though.
        Not in nature.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Why isn't anything other than it was? God willed it so.
          Because change happened. So by definition it's different than before.
          >Even contradictory. Such as defeating death by dying.
          If God did something contradictory like creating a rock it couldn't lift, he would not be able to do something (lift the rock, in the case), violating omnipotency.
          >Hot iron is not different than cold iron in nature.
          But do you believe God can change?

          Yes, but he's still God.

          Doesn't that violate the law of identity? Saying A=B (God and Jesus are the same person) and A=/=B (B is A but changed)?

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Doesn't that violate the law of identity? Saying A=B (God and Jesus are the same person) and A=/=B (B is A but changed)?
            Jesus was simultaneously human and God, with his human will perfectly aligned with his Godly one, even if he was working under certain limitations (like not knowing everything). A human working under limitation doesn't change into a different human.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Right, but doesn't a God becoming a human change into a different God, even if the person is the same?

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            No

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Why? God was not always man.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            He could be a man and still be the same being. Child me and adult me are both me, we aren't different people despite the changes.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yes, child you and adult you are both you, but they are two different stages of you. Does God have different stages? Isn't it constant?

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Evidence points to him not having different stages, but I wouldn't know for sure though.

  20. 5 months ago
    Anonymous
  21. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    If Moses threw water on the burning bush would that have killed god? There's your answer

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      So like the fire is a part of God, Jesus would just be a part of God too? Doesn't this deny the Incarnation?

      God can create such rock without violating omnipotence

      What do you mean?

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