How can anyone deny that Christ is God when there's so much evidence for it?

How can anyone deny that Christ is God when there's so much evidence for it? Paul's conversion is huge, considering his past life. It shows anyone can be saved.

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  1. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    The Bible is filled with inaccuracies and inconsistencies. Its verses are susceptible to misinterpretation. Paul's conversion, while inspiring, is not enough to prove the existence of "divine" entities. A personal anecdote does not prove an entire religion.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Numerous archaeological discoveries over the years have corroborated various details mentioned in the Bible, lending it historical credibility. For example:
      The Hittites: Once thought to be a biblical legend, archaeological findings in the 20th century confirmed the existence of this ancient civilization, as mentioned in various Old Testament books.
      Pontius Pilate: An inscription found in Caesarea Maritima in 1961 bears the name of Pontius Pilate, confirming his historical existence and role as the Roman Prefect of Judea, as detailed in the Gospels.

      • 5 months ago
        Radiochan

        there kind of isn't, judea at the time had no shortage of apocalyptic culture-hero prophets

        is this where you also tell me the bible said the emperor called himself caesar therefore that means the bible is true

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >wordswordswords
        christcucks can't meme

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Citing the Babylonian Talmud as evidence of Jesus Christ
        KWAB

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >continues to spam this
        PTE never mentioned Jesus. The rest were all written long after the fact. The gospels were written 60 years after Jesus’ death. There is no eyewitness testimony.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Nobody ever merely restates assumption. The accounts are either fictionalized (like in the talmud) or don't claim jesus is divine (the roman sources). Also roman history is often imperfect or apocryphal, for example the tacitus passage in question literally just says "christian comes from christus and christus was arrested and tortured by pilate" all this indicates is that tacitus believes jesus was a real guy who was killed by pilate. It doesn't give you a reason why he believes it, perhaps he just heard the story of jesus and thought "There probably was some guy named jesus who claimed all the stuff i'm told he claimed and was executed" as most non-christians do when they hear the story.

  2. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    How would a man rising from the dead prove that he is God?

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      "But because of your hard and impenitent heart you are storing up wrath for yourself on the day of wrath when God's righteous judgment will be revealed."
      Romans 2:5

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Answer the question please.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          Firstly, there's the aspect of prophecy. Throughout the Old Testament, there are numerous predictions and foreshadowings about the coming of a Messiah. Jesus' life, including His resurrection, is seen as fulfilling these ancient prophecies. This fulfillment isn't just about ticking boxes of predictions; it's deeply intertwined with revealing the true nature and purpose of Jesus' mission.

          Then, there's the idea of victory over sin and death. In Christian theology, sin is what brought death into the world. Jesus' resurrection is viewed as a triumph over both. This isn't something within the realm of human capability; it signifies a power and authority far beyond that, pointing to something divine.

          Also, consider the validation of Jesus' teachings. Throughout His ministry, Jesus made bold claims about who He was and His relationship with God. If He had not risen, one could argue that His teachings and claims were false. But the resurrection is seen as God's stamp of approval on everything He said and did, affirming His identity as divinely ordained.

          Finally, the act of rising from the dead is, in itself, an extraordinary display of divine power. In Christian belief, life and death are under God's dominion. So, for Jesus to rise from the dead by His own power is seen as a clear demonstration of His divine nature.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Wow, chat gpt is getting really lifelike.

          • 5 months ago
            JWanon

            >for Jesus to rise from the dead by His own power

            The Bible says God raised him

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            The messiah was supposed to be just a super cool king, not a god. This actually directly contradicts your argument for why Jesus is god.
            moron.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            The figure in Daniel is pretty explicitly meant to be God.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Throughout the Old Testament, there are numerous predictions and foreshadowings about the coming of a Messiah.
            None convincingly refer to Jesus. Some are straight up translation errors, others are extremely tenuous.

  3. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    1.
    >Paul affirms a Roman Crucifixion
    Actually, he does not. Paul's use of the term "crucifixion" was actually would have meant a general form of execution, NOT the form of execution we associate with Jesus today, because when Paul wrote, he didn't specify what it meant, just that it had occurred, and it was ONLY known that it had occurred "according to the Scriptures", i.e. no one was there to see it. israeli law also only allowed a few kinds of capital punishment, none of which were the style of crucifixion that was nailing to a post or "tau".
    Paul also said it was the "archons of this aeon" that killed Jesus, NOT the Romans or the israelites.
    >Josephus
    Interpolation, both occurrences actually, but the only one of the two that mentions an execution of a Jesus is the "Testimonium Flavianum", which is a clear interpolation as it doesn't match Josephus's style, nor does it match the context of the passage it interrupts.
    >Tacitus
    Wrote in the 2nd century, and only was repeating what Christians believed, he didn't even say what source he had, so he was possibly just taking from what other people knew Christians believed. However, what's quite likely is that he lifted it from Pliny the Younger, who was dispensed to go interrogate Christians to find out wtf their cult was about.
    >Lucian
    A Roman political satirist, who in a later work in the middle of the 2nd century, wrote a story mocking Christians.
    >Mara Bar Serapion
    Not certain the provenance of the letter, or it's dating, it could be anywhere from the 1st to 6th century, and it also doesn't mention even "Christ", just a "wise king" and his "new law". See here for more info:https://www.earlychristianwritings.com/info/mara.html
    >Talmud
    The first instance of a "Yeshu" in the Talmud is a guy who died 100 years before Jesus apparently lived, and was stoned to death for sorcery by israeliteS not Romans.

  4. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    2.
    Actually, according to Paul, visions were the only way that ANYONE saw Jesus. He literally says that people only know about his death via "the Scriptures", which doesn't mean the Gospels, as he wrote BEFORE them. The Gospels(which really are just extended riffs on Mark) do indeed take this from Paul.
    However, claims of seeing visions of your savior deity (which every OTHER Mystery Cult at the time claimed), isn't evidence for the supremacy of your religion.
    3.
    Again, poor evidence. People can become convinced of insane shit quite often, and die for that sake. Do you believe that Islamic suicide bombers are proof of the transcendent, holy nature of the Quran and Muhammad?
    >citing Eusebius
    This infographic is a fricking JOKE
    4.
    Early Proclamation makes no sense as an argument, because we actually DON'T know when the first preachings that a Christ had died and redeemed the sins of mankind was first being preached anywhere, we only know that Peter was involved in the foundation of the cult, likely by having a revelation that the messiah had already come and gone "spiritually". But again, irrelevant, because we don't know WHEN Paul or Peter believed Jesus died, since they never SAY when, in fact, they don't even say if it was anywhere on Earth.
    5.
    James "the brother of the Lord" was mentioned a grand total of twice in Paul's letters. Both times to differentiate him from Peter or other apostles. Note that Paul's use of "apostle" meant "any Christian who had a vision of Jesus". All other non-apostolic but baptized Christians were simple the "brethren" of the "Lord" Jesus. Paul knows no other form of brothership with Jesus besides cultic brothers and sisters. He even says as much in 1 Cor 9:5.
    >Hegesippus and Eusebius cited
    Again, this shit is a joke. Eusebius is a known forger, and he even openly wrote that "lying is good if it serves God".

  5. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    5.
    >Josephus
    The passage in Josephus that refers to "James, the brother of Jesus" actually was referring to "Jesus ben Damneus" who the whole passage that mention of "James" was about. The interpolation of "the one called Christ" makes no sense in the text, and is of 0 relevance to the story Josephus was telling in particular, and thus it sticks out.
    6.
    >Paul's conversion
    Paul actually doesn't say he was a "persecutor" as in some form of judge, as was later said in Acts which is a 2nd century piece of historical fiction. He just said he "persecuted" Christians, which could have meant anything from hunting them down, to just being loudly against them and arguing with them.
    Secondly, Paul converting is not evidence that Jesus either existed historically(which isn't supported in Paul's letters) OR that Jesus is supernatural and divine. People change beliefs all the time, sometimes even when it is directly against their best interests. However, as Paul himself attested, in 1-2 Cor and in Romans, he actually DID collect tons of money from the Churches he founded, before even meeting Peter. So he came away with quite a pretty penny.

  6. 5 months ago
    Anonymous
  7. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    God speaks through every OT prophet in first person. But with Jesus it is not the case. God himself is not the one speaking through him like he does with tge prophets, instead is a supposed son of God that claims to have been with him from the beginning the one speaking through him in first person. When he says my father and I are one. It is not the father speaking. in OT God is always the one speaking.

  8. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    The holy and precious God of Gods is so humbe that he descends to earth and chooses to dwell among the homeless, because they are the ones who need him.

    Yahweh, the sacred God, is living with the sick and the starving. He is ministering to the poor and the oppressed. The neglected and the rejected isnwho he is with.

    He sees you eating cows while your brothers starve. So he chooses to starve with them, he chooses to suffer their suffering with them.

    He does this to see what will be your excuse when you stand before him. The one sleeping on the hard sidewalk is the one who will judge you. The one who you stepped over on tour way to the bank was Him, The Great and Holy One, the Precious and Longsuffering God who loved the smallest ones, so he chosed them.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      and whats god going to do when I ask why didn't he poof some food and homes for them despite having the power to do so

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        The one who God will sit on the holy throne will be worthy of sitting on it, not because he is so great and perfect, but because he suffered so much in silence without complaining, and still he woke up every morning and praised him, he even thanked him for the small piece of bread he found in the dumpster.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          so in other words god is just very negligent that has the power to act but refuse to

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            He didn't give him a home, he let him starve and he let him sleep on the sidewalk so that he could justify gifting him the whole world as an eternal inheritance, with all those who stepped over him as his eternal servants. Some of them will be the stools for his feet. He will make everyone bow down to him. All nations will serve him.

            You're going to wish you were them. No matter how rich you are today, you're going to wish you were one of them. So laugh while you can because Yahweh will have the last laugh. It was prophesied.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >uuuuhhhh that poor guy will totally get to rule, instead of just dying horribly, just you wait
            so instead of just helping him know he makes some vague promise of a revenge story, sounds like god is both negligent and a con artist

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            As surely as Yahweh lives you will serve Benei Yisrael. You will serve them because Yahweh said so. The oppressed ones who all nations rejected will rule over all the nations. The humiliated will be exalted and those who made a televised mockery out of them will be given into their hands.

            I swear to you that you will fear the name of God.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >you will fear the name of god
            nah I just beat up that nerd was pretty easy, even gave him a little taste of his own medice by giving him a timeout in hell, he didn't like and will be a good boy from now on

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            You will fear him, you will be panicked in terror. Your knees will go weak at the mention of his name and you will fall on your face and pray. You will tremble like the demons do in his presence.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            nah he already tried that, before I took his lunch money, now god is doing my homework while I go frick his mom, lmao what a nerd

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Lol, such fool. Pride will be your doom.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            yeah thats what god said, before I gave him a swirly, nerd wasn't so smug after that

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            God has agency. So powerful yet so humble. I praise his restraint.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            lol that nerd is always trying to brag, until me and my bros remind him of his nerd status

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            I brag for him. He is humble. I am a nobody, nothing to feel proud about so I take pride in him. We don't deserve him. I don't mean to put you off of him, he puts great effort just to make you live. All suffering will be worth it if you are with him. I just don't know how to praise him correctly.

  9. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    How can anyone deny Luke is the chosen one when there is so much evidence for it? Darth Vader's conversion is huge, considering his past life. It shows anyone can turn to the light side.

  10. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    I'm not even going to bother finishing reading your stupid ass infographic. I'm not even anti-Christian and have nothing against the religion broadly speaking, but the first two sentences alone made me want to shoot myself in fricking face. It's just so stupid. I'm actually less convinced now than I was ten seconds ago.
    >Paul and the rest of the New Testament writers affirm it
    So fricking what? Islamic sources vouch for the Quran all the time and I can guarantee you would disagree vehemently is someone said "HURR DURR, THE QURAN REAL BECAUSE IT SAYS SO IN THE QURAN!

    This is exactly like when Jehovah's Witnesses say Jesus in His celestial form is the Archangel Michael, a point that is very interesting and could be argued for (think about it. The frick was Jesus doing up there before the year 0? What did they call Him? They must have been calling Him something) and then support it with the weakest arguments possible (i.e. in Revelation it says Jesus will descend from Heaven with the Archangel's voice)

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      The point is that multiple sources (biased and non-biased) agree on the same thing. Why would you post without reading the whole thing?

      This is like if someone was trying to describe the US to you, starts off with "The USA is commonly referred to as just America by its citizens and-" then you jump in and go SO FRICKING WHAT when their next point is that it's also called just "America" by many other countries in casual usage. You being too lazy to read a few paragraphs because you're mindbroken by tiktok isn't anything to brag about.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Fine, I finished. Every single other point is the same fricking point. It's just saying "look at all the references there are to this shit in New Testament". It's just the same damn point iterated six times

  11. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Reminder that atheists have actual brain damage
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/archaeology/news/brain-magnets-decrease-faith-in-god-religion-immigrants-a6695291.html

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yep. There's a reason 99% of libshits are atheists.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      disabling parts of the brain with magnets can also weaken the delusions of schizophrenic's. Thing happen in brain, turn where thing not happen in brain, this makes the thing in itself neither true or false.

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