hey christians explain somet to me.

If the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are not each other, but are all ultimately God, then who and what is God? Is God just God the Father? Is he more of a sort of spirit or essence that resides in each god-entity? Do Christians actually have an understanding of this?

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  1. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's a mystery outside of logic taken on faith for out lord.
    https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/trinity/

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      Funny way to say it's moronic shit that doesn't make sense.

  2. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    God is god. All of the qualities of God are the qualities of God and neither is more in control than the other, nor is the a gap in or lack of harmony, love, goodness etc.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      Modal collapse and qualities are contextual in our language game.

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        Please reiterate using different words or explain at length what you've just said (as-it-were) in brief.

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          These qualities (harmony, love, goodness, etc..) are different and can't be identical. So attributing them to god is meaningless. Qualities and more broadly information doesn't have inherent context to it because meaning is a process which emerges out of perception, the rules of one's internal perception are agent relative. And so, qualities in this world don't exist outside of our perception. And are contextual within a agents interactions with others(language game). So God being these qualities implies that there can be inherent context but, this can't be demonstrated as there is nothing in qualities that show that.

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            >These qualities (harmony, love, goodness, etc..) are different and can't be identical.

            Different in reference to what? Since you worded the sentence like that, I have to ask this question as well: Identical to what?

            >So attributing them to god is meaningless.
            The qualities are not meaningless. As an example, the opposite of harmony is disharmony/dissonance. That isn't meaningless and its opposite is not meaningless. I think you're wrong, just on the face of the matter.

            >Qualities and more broadly information doesn't have inherent
            I think you've fallen into the pit of significant relativism. That's not a good place to be. I don't envy you. There is such a thing as inherent and intrinsic meaning. Again, I don't even you the premise of your thoughts. It's not an enviable intellectual place you're in.

            > And so, qualities in this world don't exist outside of our perception
            Thee is reality. There is absolute reality. There is absolute reality which no being in any world will ever be able to gainsay. I hope that God does not consign you to the first on the Last Day, the day in which no injustice is done. Because that kind of thinking is how you do something regrettable thinking that it's okay, and I wouldn't love that journey for you.

            >So God being these qualities implies that there can be inherent context
            It implies that. It is the case. All is in order from my viewpoint.

            >this can't be demonstrated as there is nothing in qualities that show that.
            It can be demonstrated. It cannot be demonstrated to you as long as you remain obstinate and skeptically doubtful.

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            Qualities need context to be meaningful. If they don't then they're not.
            For example there is a hammer does not have inherent context as you can use it for multiple uses. There is no property in the universe that which is context.
            Also, I'm not a relativist. Even though meaning is a process which emerges out of perception, the rules of one's internal perception are agent relative. And are contextual within a agents interactions with others. That context is real for those agents that are involved. Also, logic is a tool of discernment between agents.

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Qualities need context to be meaningful. If they don't then they're not.

            You think so. I don't think so.

            >For example there is a hammer does not have inherent context as you can use it for multiple uses. There is no property in the universe that which is context.
            If you can't agree that objective reality exists, I don't think I'll talk to you.

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            >If you can't agree that objective reality exists, I don't think I'll talk to you.

            Context matters. If the context is different then the truth is different. "objective reality" requires objective context which doesn't exist. There is reality but, that reality is shaped by the context and narratives we have about it.

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            >"objective reality" requires objective context which doesn't exist.

            That's not true. Objective context does exist. Subjective context also exists. There is holiness. There is what all holy ones agree on. There is paradise and nirvana and an unexcelled estate. I'll wait for you there, I guess. Don't be long.

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            need context to be meaningful. If they don't then they're not.

            >I don't think so.
            Qualities... Qualia... Anon, your beliefs are insane.

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            My beliefs aren't insane. They are, however, grounded, well-grounded, in what you do not know. Perhaps, in addition to not knowing them, directly and for yourself, you do not even know that you can come to know them. There is little I can do for you in that case.

            Obstinacy and skeptical doubt are qualities of mind that are conducive to bad outcomes.

            Obstinacy is the quality of being obstinate. Obstinate means stubbornly refusing to change one's opinion or chosen course of action, despite attempts to persuade one to do so.

            On the topic of skeptical doubt, there is this I would say: It is unwholesome. It paralyses thinking and hinders the inner development of man.

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yep insane. Grounded beliefs demand simple axioms. Assuming you exist and can learn about the world through empirical methods is a start.

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            And?

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Perhaps, in addition to not knowing them, directly and for yourself, you do not even know that you can come to know them. There is little I can do for you in that case.

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            Are you saying that we are at odds? If so, then may you go or stay or come (as-it-were), in peace.

  3. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    >this again
    God is h2o
    Father is ice
    Jesus is liquid water
    Holy Spirit is steam

  4. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Isn't God just a category that excludes everything but them?

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      I think that is one worthy viewpoint.

      "If it is perfectly good, it is God. If it is imperfectly good or not good, then it is not God."

  5. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    The Mother, the Daughter of Goddess, and the Holy Ghostwriter is the Holy Trinity tbh.

  6. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    There's fundamentally no difference between a transgender person and a Christian.

    They both believe in false ideas that grant them happiness. A man is not actually a biological female, and God and heaven do not actually exist.

    A male dressing in female-type garments, and even taking estrogen, does not actually yield a breedable biological female, but such a being can still be beautiful and worthy of love.

    And Jesus might not really be half-god and half-man, but it does not mean you cannot find some sort of solace and wisdom in what he's said.

    And even among atheists, it is not as if atheists really live as if nihilism was literally true. They do indeed still make friends, study things, do work, and have families. We all find reasons to do what we do.

    I probably would be considered transphobic to a typical transgender person, but then again, I've also been accused of hating God, just due to being an atheist that openly states the there is no god.

    I think assuming fear and hatred of my thoughts is rather silly, because in the end, I would defend both Christian and Transgender from unjust persecution, and say thank you if I am blessed after I sneeze, and call a transgender girl his or her preferred pronouns. This is called respect for all life, and if I met Jesus, even if I would not kneel, I would still approach him as a friend.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      It is the belief that God is One Being who exists eternally in three distinct Persons: the Father, the Son (Jesus Christ), and the Holy Spirit. The Trinity is not a concept of three gods but rather one God in three Persons

      To understand the Trinity, it's important to grasp the following concepts:

      Co-equality and Co-eternity: Each Person of the Trinity is fully God, co-equal, and co-eternal, meaning that they have always existed and will always exist as God. The Father is not more God than the Son or the Holy Spirit.

      Distinction of Persons: Despite being one in essence, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are distinct from one another. The Father is not the Son; the Son is not the Holy Spirit; the Holy Spirit is not the Father.

      Relational: The Persons of the Trinity are in eternal relationship with one another. The Father generates the Son, the Son is begotten by the Father, and the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son. This relational aspect is vital because it shows that God is inherently relational and that love and communication have always existed within God Himself.

      Economic and Immanent Trinity: The "economic" Trinity refers to how the three Persons relate to the world and salvation history (e.g., the Father creates, the Son redeems, the Holy Spirit sanctifies). The "immanent" Trinity concerns the internal relations of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

      >Now THAT'S what I call manifesto-posting CCXII

  7. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    It is the belief that God is One Being who exists eternally in three distinct Persons: the Father, the Son (Jesus Christ), and the Holy Spirit. The Trinity is not a concept of three gods but rather one God in three Persons

    To understand the Trinity, it's important to grasp the following concepts:

    Co-equality and Co-eternity: Each Person of the Trinity is fully God, co-equal, and co-eternal, meaning that they have always existed and will always exist as God. The Father is not more God than the Son or the Holy Spirit.

    Distinction of Persons: Despite being one in essence, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are distinct from one another. The Father is not the Son; the Son is not the Holy Spirit; the Holy Spirit is not the Father.

    Relational: The Persons of the Trinity are in eternal relationship with one another. The Father generates the Son, the Son is begotten by the Father, and the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son. This relational aspect is vital because it shows that God is inherently relational and that love and communication have always existed within God Himself.

    Economic and Immanent Trinity: The "economic" Trinity refers to how the three Persons relate to the world and salvation history (e.g., the Father creates, the Son redeems, the Holy Spirit sanctifies). The "immanent" Trinity concerns the internal relations of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

  8. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    >then who and what is God?
    A substance that composes three persons. It's not a "who", it's three things in hypostatic union (that is, they share the same nature).

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      Isn't this tritheism?

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        Tritheism would be arguing that the three persons are composed of different substances.

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