Hey atheists, do numbers exist? >cant see them. >cant feel them. >cant smell them

Hey atheists, do numbers exist?
>can’t see them
>can’t feel them
>can’t smell them
>can’t taste them
>can’t hear them
>can’t physically detect a number at all
Checkmate.

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  1. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Speak for yourself. I can do all of those things.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      t.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        bueno

  2. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    >he can't taste numbers
    So this is the power of npc brains...

  3. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    That's actually a really interesting question. I like thinking about stuff that we take for granted but which isn't actually real, concepts and such.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Hey atheists, do numbers exist?
      no they dont.
      >... BUT THEY OBVIOUSLY DO. THEYRE FRICKING EVERYWHERE AND USED IN THE FOUNDATION OF MANY-
      they dont exist.

      How old are you?
      What is a number?
      Are you both materialists?

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        >mathematical platonist immediately jumps to asking randoms their age
        Kinda creepy ngl.

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          Because they claim numbers don’t exist yet they actually believe in them.
          Just like they believe in god. Just give it up and admit it.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            >christian doesn't understand the distinction between the conceptual and the actual
            Makes sense, you guys do have statistically lower IQs after all.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            I’m not a Christian.
            Numbers are as real as anything else.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            ...according to mathematical platonists. At the same time, people who are not mathematical platonists can still use numbers as conceptual constructs. The fact that you don't get this shows your low IQ regardless of your specific beliefs.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            So what is the criterion for reality for a non-platonist?

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      Here’s a couple of good videos on the subject.

      ?si=6_kPGA8U8jfVI515

      ?si=SzBUqLqD0w7Pcx5O

  4. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Hey atheists, do numbers exist?
    no they dont.
    >... BUT THEY OBVIOUSLY DO. THEYRE FRICKING EVERYWHERE AND USED IN THE FOUNDATION OF MANY-
    they dont exist.

  5. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    So?

  6. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    So God is a conceptual category?
    Self own.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      No. God is a platonic form. Transcendent yet immanent.

      ...according to mathematical platonists. At the same time, people who are not mathematical platonists can still use numbers as conceptual constructs. The fact that you don't get this shows your low IQ regardless of your specific beliefs.

      I understand your position, I just disagree with it.
      If numbers are just in your head then they would not exist separate from human existence. Yet there are a discrete number of trees on earth regardless of your ability to count them.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        >No. God is a platonic form. Transcendent yet immanent
        Proof?

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          I gave a definition. It’s like you’re asking me why a word means what it means. It’s how god is defined. If you want proof of that just read what Christian theologians wrote.

          I’ll cut through the bullshit for everyone’s sake.
          You don’t claim the Christian god is real like numbers are, Christians claim that god can appear in physical reality, interfere with it on his own whims and interfere on behalf of praying Christians.
          You could prove all those things if they were true.

          I’m NOT a Christian.

          Numbers don't exist in the real world but they do exist as an abstract concept in our minds. If you want to classify God in the same category then go ahead.

          There are X number of buildings on earth. If every conscious being disappeared right now that fact would not change.
          We know (I mean know literally, not believe) that there are a discrete number of atoms in the universe despite not knowing the exact number. These mathematical facts exist I represent of our ability to perceive them.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            >There are X number of buildings on earth. If every conscious being disappeared right now that fact would not change.
            Objectively false. What defines a building is subjective. Is a duplex one or two buildings? A lean-to shed? A semi-attached ADU? Sky scrapers connected by sky bridges? A bridge with maintenance room? A monument or statue with an interior crawl space? Etc.

  7. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    >why aren't concepts like solid objects?

  8. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    check these numbers tho

  9. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    >christgays cant smell numbers
    lmfao noselets

  10. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    All of Mathematics is based on abstract, immaterial realities, yet all this Math is applied in everything involving advanced technology, including the computer everyone in this board is using to have these conversations.

    Intangible reality is a thing, and it very quickly leads to the conclusion that we also have an intangible part of us, because we are capable of apprehending this immaterial reality

  11. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    I’ll cut through the bullshit for everyone’s sake.
    You don’t claim the Christian god is real like numbers are, Christians claim that god can appear in physical reality, interfere with it on his own whims and interfere on behalf of praying Christians.
    You could prove all those things if they were true.

  12. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Numbers don't exist in the real world but they do exist as an abstract concept in our minds. If you want to classify God in the same category then go ahead.

  13. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    We made them up because they are an useful abstraction, they don't "exist".

  14. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Hey atheists, do numbers exist?
    Yes. We made them up.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      You admitting their existence destroys your materialist presuppositions.
      Cope n seethe, friend.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        Numbers exist as a logical concept of quantification, they don't physically exist, things that can be quantified with them do though.

  15. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    ITT: atheists cannot answer the OP, who is admittedly a lil overzealous, but they still resort to the same old strawmen and begging the question

    This thread is an example of the futile effort it is to try an convince an atheist/materialist that not everything in the world is perceptible. It’s like trying to convince a narcissist not to think about themselves- you can’t do it, it’s a problem in the brain. It’s not like they need to die or be reeducated, it’s just annoying when they try communicating with empaths and self-aware people and there’s an obvious disconnect that they don’t want to admit

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      It is how it is.

  16. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    dreaming of a day when /rel/ splits from Oyish, so that history can be discussed in peace from fanatics and obsessed

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      bump

  17. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Numbers don't exist. They are concepts to illustrate physical dynamics.

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