God isnt fucking real. If god is real why cant Christians prove it? Where is your proof that god is real?

God isn’t fricking real. If god is real why can’t Christians prove it? Where is your proof that god is real? Only smart atheists can see through the Christian charade

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  1. 9 months ago
    Dirk

    Refute kalam

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      General Relativity destroys the first cause argument
      .
      Also the kalam doesn't prove that there is a God (like most "arguments" for God).
      The Big Bang would equally fulfill the role of first cause, for example, but I don't think any of us would call that God if it was.

      • 9 months ago
        Dirk

        Where did the big bang come from?

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          See Dirk, in this hypothetical the Big Bang is the First Cause.
          That would be like asking "Well then where did God come from?"

          • 9 months ago
            Dirk

            Your hypothetical is at odds with the scientific description of the big bang, which does not postulate that nothing existed prior

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            It isn't. You're right that it does not say that nothing existed before the Big Bang.
            The universe was a singularity, and at t = 0 it expanded with the Big Bang.
            The universe as we know it began with the Big Bang, and given what we know about singularities a "before" does not make any sense, as time halts when matter is concentrated in a singularity, like black holes.
            At least as far as our understanding goes, and using the basic common sense logic of something like the Kalam, the Big Bang could plausibly be the first cause, primary mover.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            >time halts when matter is concentrated in a singularity, like black holes.
            You can talk about the time before an object entered a black hole

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            That time only exists outside of the blackhole. It's trippy.
            Regardless for everything within the Universe-singularity, t = 0 until the Big Bang, meaning essentially no time has passed. Unless we're going to talk about some theoretical meta-space-time that the universe is within, but that's really speculative.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            >That time only exists outside of the blackhole. It's trippy.
            It is still true, within the black hole, that you can talk about 'before' it was in the black hole. Because it was not in the black hole eternally

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            Fair enough, but we just don't know anything about any pre-Big Bang non-singularity universe so I think assuming the singularity as a starting point is a fair assumption.

          • 9 months ago
            Dirk

            >the universe was
            Great
            Did the universe begin to exist? What caused it?

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            In this hypothetical the Universe is eternal, and the Big Bang is the first cause creating its current dynamic state.
            The universe was in a timeless state as a singularity and then at t = 0 it expanded due to the Big Bang.

          • 9 months ago
            Dirk

            This hypothetical isn't atheistic, it's pantheistic. It attributes eternality and self existence to the universe.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            I don't think that is inherently pantheistic, but I don't really care.
            I'm just trying to show alternative solutions to the Kalam than it's proponents want you to take from it.

          • 9 months ago
            Dirk

            By affirming the conclusion of kalam? You arrived at a self existent first cause

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            My issue was using the Kalam to conclude the first cause was a God.
            If you want to call the Universe God I don't really care. I have no beef with Spinoza.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            Atheists only have a beef with the true God because He's the only one that exists.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            The supposed big bang is an event. Not a 'thing'.

  2. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Christards are legit mentally moronic.
    They think that "I own a dog" is as an extraordinary claim as "an omnipotent being created and actively controls the universe" and think that both require just as much evidence.

    wait who am i kidding. They do know they difference, they are just lying homosexuals.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      No, the first claim is far more extraordinary and requires far more evidence

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        If you can’t physically see the dog and owner in front of you then it is as unlikely as the second statement. Debate that point.

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          I generally don't feel the need to accuse random people of lying about random shit for no reason. Normal people don't react to "I have a dog" by calling you a liar and demanding proof
          I feel like atheists are just horribly immoral scoundrels to the point they can't imagine what being a normal person is like

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            >I feel like atheists are just horribly immoral scoundrels
            less than 1% of prisoners are atheist.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            3 reasons for that, 1. atheists are already a tiny minority, 2. the consequences of sin often drive criminals to repentance, and 3. prisoners represent a minority of criminals

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            >1. atheists are already a tiny minority
            20% of zoomers dont believe in God
            >2. the consequences of sin often drive criminals to repentance
            that ignores the point that people who are prone to commit crime are 99% more likely to turn christian than atheist
            >3. prisoners represent a minority of criminals
            red herring.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            >that ignores the point that people who are prone to commit crime are 99% more likely to turn christian than atheist
            if this confuses you. look at this way.

            An atheist who stays atheist will never rape anyone, ever.
            An atheist whose an in-closet christian is 99% more likely to rape someone.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            >20% of zoomers dont believe in God
            What percentage are trannies
            >that ignores the point that people who are prone to commit crime are 99% more likely to turn christian than atheist
            Praise God that they turn from their sins and get saved.
            >red herring.
            Survivorship bias

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            >What percentage are trannies
            red herring.
            And the answer is 5%
            >Praise God that they turn from their sins and get saved.
            see

            >that ignores the point that people who are prone to commit crime are 99% more likely to turn christian than atheist
            if this confuses you. look at this way.

            An atheist who stays atheist will never rape anyone, ever.
            An atheist whose an in-closet christian is 99% more likely to rape someone.

            btw, i actually looked it up, the percent of prisoners that convert in prison is 26%, while 99% of prisoners are still religious. LOL
            keep in mind, the 26% includes all religions, including islam, meaning there even more christians going into prison than atheist.
            >Survivorship bias
            The most crime ridden shithole countries are religious while the least crime ridden utopias are secular nations like Japan.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            >The most crime ridden shithole countries
            Just keep moving the goalposts when you lose, troony

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            how is it moving the goal post?
            The most crime ridden 3rd world countries are all religious while places like Japan are secular.

            >troony
            >There is neither israelite nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
            >neither male nor female
            troony religion

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          Why do christians turn into jaden smith when you simply ask them to prove their claims? Haven't they had 2000 years to figure this out?

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            They’re probably not smart like atheists are. They need an atheist to talk them into atheism. If they deny that then it just means you should double, nay triple down on trying to tell them about atheism. Once they come to realize you are right they will thank you for being so smart.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            They will be angry at first for being so overbearing but when they truly grow as a person, and they realize the great intellectual discourse which YOU an atheist have brought to their barren lives they will grow to thank you.

            Me tryin to find that proof in your post

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            They will be angry at first for being so overbearing but when they truly grow as a person, and they realize the great intellectual discourse which YOU an atheist have brought to their barren lives they will grow to thank you.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            Because it's like asking for proof that 2+2=4

  3. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Christians be like

  4. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Okay, I will prove it to you.

    go outside, and it'll all start coming together.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      It would be a crime for an atheist to not try to convert others. You’re sitting on that stockpile of intellectual, esoteric wisdom you gotta share it.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        okay, let me be more specific since youre not ready for adult food, and you still need baby food.

        Go outside, and look up at the stars, and ask yourself "How did this come to be?" for every creation must have a creator. this is basic science, things dont just come from nothing. so then the question you ask is "who made this?" and the answer to this question for christians is the Bible. that God sent us prophets, and messengers to tell us to worship the creator, and revealing revelation over time.

        Now, while this is appealing, I dont align with this..... yet. Theres still a lot about the Bible that doesn't make sense to me personally.
        You have to observe the world for yourself, and obtain your own answers, anon. But there is indeed a creator, it's the only truly rational explanation.

  5. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    why don't you prove the anti-thesis, that god isn't real?

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Can't really prove a negative.
      It's impossible for me to prove that no chimpanzees have blue fur, just that's it's incredibly unlikely we wouldn't know about it if one did exist.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Can't really prove a negative.
        Of course you can
        >"there is a tree outside my window"
        >look out the window
        >no tree
        >negative proven

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Look outside firmament
          >no god
          >negative proven

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          The tree is invisible.
          There are roots of a tree under the ground, hence there is a tree by your window.
          There is a tree sapling out your window, but it is too small for you to see without going outside yourself.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            >The tree is invisible.
            Can I touch it?
            >There is a tree sapling out your window, but it is too small for you to see without going outside yourself.
            So go outside

  6. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    For anyone who pulls the
    >most prisoners are atheists who convert to christianity
    less than 1% of prisoners are atheist
    And 26% of prisoners convert to christianity or islam

    do the math.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Strawman

      how is it moving the goal post?
      The most crime ridden 3rd world countries are all religious while places like Japan are secular.

      >troony
      >There is neither israelite nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
      >neither male nor female
      troony religion

      It's moving the goalposts because the original argument was about the demographics of prisoners. When that was refuted you switched to talking about the crime statistics of nations

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Strawman
        how is it a strawman?
        >2. the consequences of sin often drive criminals to repentance
        You are claiming that majority of prisoners are atheists who convert to christianity. When the numbers are less than 1% of prisoners are atheist while only 26% of prisoners convert to Christianity or Islam.

        >was about the demographics of prisoners
        no it wasnt. heres your original statement
        >prisoners represent a minority of criminals
        the countries with the most reported crime in the world (crime including people not caught) are all from 3rd world shitholes that are religious.
        Do you need more statistics?
        >55.7% of the people in Gary Indiana are religious
        needless to say, most crime in a shithole like Gary is not caught.

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          >how is it a strawman?
          Because it is something I never said
          >You are claiming that majority of prisoners are atheists who convert to christianity
          No I'm not, that actually contradicts point 1. I never said anything about their religion prior to conversion nor did I claim anything about a majority, I only said that the consequences of sin often drive sinners to repentance, which is one of several things that accounts for more prisoners being Christian than atheist.
          >no it wasnt. heres your original statement
          I didn't make an original statement. You made the original statement. Specifically you were making a point about the demographics of prisoners. That was me refuting your original statement by pointing out it was survivorship bias, you were arbitrarily excluding the criminals who haven't been caught from your analysis. But hey, if you're looking for evidence that atheists are less moral than Christians there's the fact that you yourself are a dishonest rat.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            >I only said that the consequences of sin often drive sinners to repentance
            forgive me, i was giving you the benefit of the doubt of not being a complete moron because now you are admitting that most people who commit crime and get caught are in fact christian anyway. LMAO
            >hes a practicing christian who committed crime and got caught
            >but he did confession in prison so it doesnt count
            no one gives a crap if these prisoners did confession, penance, repentance, whatever its about whether the person committing the crime is an atheist or christian. Christians are more likely to commit crime than atheists, case closed.
            >arbitrarily excluding the criminals who haven't been caught from your analysis
            and im telling you, for the millionth time, countries and shithole cities (where 99% of crime isnt caught AKA non prisoners) are mostly religious.
            >dishonest rat.
            youre a Black person.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            >youre a Black person.
            Better coon than troon, troony

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            >there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
            troony religion.

  7. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Funniest bait in a while.

  8. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    >first cause
    No such thing
    >muh infinite regression can't exist
    Says who?

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