>God designs nature to be:. >Survival of the fittest. >Fight over limited resources. >Kill your competitors

>God designs nature to be:
>Survival of the fittest
>Fight over limited resources
>Kill your competitors
>Breed as many women as possible

>God: "Noooooo! Don't do that!!!"

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  1. 10 months ago
    Solitaire

    The human ability to overcome the base character of nature itself is the indicator that we are made "in the image of God"
    We not only overcome nature, but we dominate it. Not dissimilar to God, who authored nature.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      That's just intelligence, dude.
      We developed it. Part way because we had to. We're not all that strong or fast or anything like that. Being able to think our way out of situations was one of our best hopes of survival.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >The human ability to overcome the base character of nature itself is the indicator that we are made "in the image of God"
        Lol how? Because you say it is? Our ability to overcome our worst urges isn't evidence of a god in any way at all.

        How many times did you fap to troony BBC porn today?

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Rent free.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >muh trannies

          Why do Christians have a troony fetish?

          • 10 months ago
            Chud Anon
          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Go outside. Stop living on the internet and in front of TV screens, fricking loser. You will never encounter a troony in real life.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            This is what happens when I walk on the street bro

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            I work with 2 of them and they are so insufferable even the normal gay guys are annoyed with them.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >posit ‘God designed nature to be survival of the fittest/limited resources’ as premise
        >posit ‘kill and steal from your enemies as conclusion’
        >counterconclusion: ‘the best way to survive is being altruistic, social, etc’
        >response to counterconclusion: ‘we developed it ourselves lmao haha’

        Are you fricking moronic? Do you not understand basic fricking logical propositions? Are you actually this dense? Why even make a thread if you can’t follow the line of argument for an entire post?

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >The human ability to overcome the base character of nature itself is the indicator that we are made "in the image of God"
      Lol how? Because you say it is? Our ability to overcome our worst urges isn't evidence of a god in any way at all.

      • 10 months ago
        Solitaire

        What is it evidence of?
        The only other explanation is that it is an utter malfunction and consequently we should abandon morality entirely.
        >Jim (tribe x) saves Bob (tribe y) from certain death
        >CLEARLY this is a malfunction evolutionary biology
        >Altruism is just the way to spread your tribe's genes the best
        >Really, Jim is a dumbass

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          You have yet to explain how that's evidence of a god. You cannot even demonstrate that a god exists, which is why you (and religious people throughout history) have to desperately look under rocks and bridges to find shit we don't understand to attribute it to him.

          How exactly is that evidence of an invisible supreme deity?

          • 10 months ago
            Solitaire

            What do you posit?

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            No fricking clue. And that's the difference here, you just attribute it to god because an old book told you he exists, and for some dumb reason you believe the old book. But you can't actually provide any solid evidence and instead of just admitting that you believe the old book for no real good reason, you have to just baselessly assert that this or that that we can't understand is "evidence" for the claims in the book. It's pure and utter horseshit.

            People used to attribute natural disasters and shit to god until we realized how they work and why they occur. No different here.

          • 10 months ago
            Solitaire

            >no fricking clue
            k, then why are you so mad?

            I believe in the Bible because I believe it to be the most logical explanation for reality.
            However, within myself originates the DESIRE to have such a logical explanation, yes.
            But not even caring about why things are* is almost inhuman. Like an unthinking animal.
            It started, for me, with comparing
            >nothing created itself into something for no reason
            versus
            >God created everything
            and honestly weighing in my mind which made more sense.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >I believe in the Bible because I believe it to be the most logical explanation for reality

            You're a fricking idiot

          • 10 months ago
            Solitaire

            Okay.
            And if your position is
            >I don't care about why anything exists; I merely eat and shit
            Then I would say you are stupid yourself

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            This is just exposing the fact that you can't cope or are uncomfortable with just not knowing something. Why do you have to make shit up?

          • 10 months ago
            Solitaire

            Again, your position is
            >I don't care about why anything exists or what "reality" even is; I merely eat and shit
            ?
            Why even posture as though you have an ounce of "philosophy" in you? (as I'm sure you do)

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            The singularity is eternal. It is not God and does not have a mind or will. But it created Big Bang through cosmic natural selection until a stable equilibrium was reached. That's where we find ourselves.

          • 10 months ago
            Solitaire

            >cosmic natural selection until a stable equilibrium was reached
            none of this is observable whatsoever
            we are both positing unobservable phenomena
            we can only weigh them based on logic since there is no evidence of either of these curiously similar forms; "The Singularity" or "God"

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            I take one look at our universe and world and I know a God didn't "create" it. LMAO

            This world and its creatures have no purpose. It's just a giant shit show. There is no God.

          • 10 months ago
            Solitaire

            You got it exactly backwards!
            It's so absurd! It's a grand comedy.
            It's entertaining to watch the natural systems play out, especially with the irony that the players are unaware of them.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            And you think that fits in with Jesus and the Bible?

          • 10 months ago
            Solitaire

            Sure!
            How does it not?

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Even the Biblical flood?

          • 10 months ago
            Solitaire

            Are you saying that the Flood was supernatural? Yes. Natural systems still play out. God's not too far off from a watchmaker, but he does make adjustments.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Are you saying that the Flood was supernatural? Yes. Natural systems still play out. God's not too far off from a watchmaker, but he does make adjustments.

            No. I am making a reference without having to type out a length what I meant. I should have known you would not be so generous with me.
            At anyrate, if you believe in Noah's flood, or even the entirety of Genesis, then your critical thinking skills are dog shit.

          • 10 months ago
            Solitaire

            >At anyrate, if you believe in Noah's flood, or even the entirety of Genesis, then your critical thinking skills are dog shit.
            Why?
            I already understand the inherent "sillyness" of the Flood, but I want to hear your argument against the entirety of Genesis.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            You are:

            >Non-white
            >No friends
            >The weird guy at school/work
            >Virgin

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            And anon 15680387 is..
            E: all of the above!

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >I already understand the inherent "sillyness" of the Flood
            I don't know why you put that in quotes. It is fricking silly. Unless there was a better wording.
            >but I want to hear your argument against the entirety of Genesis
            Why does that matter what my argument is? Would it really matter to you? To be told what to think on the matter?
            It's better when you arrive to your own conclusion. You shouldn't take it from me anyway. There's plenty of stuff out there that conflicts with the Bible's account for life on earth and the dawn of human civilization, as well as ancient Egypt.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            It's the opposite of what Jesus is supposed to be

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            You're a fricking moron

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Again, this is just another case of religious people just attributing to god what they don't or can't understand. If we ever actually discover how the universe came to be or what came before it, you'll just take another step back and claim that that is god or was created by god. It's childish nonsense.

            This explanation isn't even good or explanatory of anything really. You mock the idea of "something coming from nothing" but your alternate explanation just completely ignores that it doesn't present a solution to that dilemma. Something can't come from nothing... except god (because the old book says that he can). It's just more dumb horseshit. We don't know how the universe was created, and that's the truth for both you and I. We do not know. Anything else is just unnecessary nonsense.

          • 10 months ago
            Solitaire

            God doesn't have to come from anything
            But observation tells us that the Universe did* have a beginning.
            I began thinking about this a lot when I realized that there was no "big crunch" and that the Universe actually began to exist for some reason.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            The Big Bang had a beginning. The singularity from which it came did not.

          • 10 months ago
            Solitaire

            You sound awfully similar to me lol

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            No, you're adding in a sentient, invisible, all-powerful deity. A singularity from which the universe came is something we know existed (since we know the universe had a beginning). You're adding in something we have zero evidence for, have never observed, have never seen, have never heard, and have no reason at all to believe exists.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >God doesn't have to come from anything
            Again, that's according to... you. You have no evidence for this, you have no proof for this. It's just an assertion. It's just something you say to justify your belief in old myths. It's pathetic. Nobody with a brain functioning at even 10% capacity falls for this crap.

            How do you know that the universe even had a beginning? What if it was still the universe in just a different form? At least we know the universe exists. We have no evidence at all for your god existing. You just add him in for no reason.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            The difference is

            No fricking clue. And that's the difference here, you just attribute it to god because an old book told you he exists, and for some dumb reason you believe the old book. But you can't actually provide any solid evidence and instead of just admitting that you believe the old book for no real good reason, you have to just baselessly assert that this or that that we can't understand is "evidence" for the claims in the book. It's pure and utter horseshit.

            People used to attribute natural disasters and shit to god until we realized how they work and why they occur. No different here.

            is being intellectually honest.
            You believe what you believe because you want to. Also, probably because you were brought up to believe it.
            Logic isn't really playing as much into it as you think. For example your reasoning.
            >nothing created itself into something for no reason
            versus
            >God created everything
            and honestly weighing in my mind which made more sense.
            See, the problem here is the mere idea of creation for starters and the idea of nothing necessarily being the case as the base of origin in your idea that this is the only other alternative.
            Rightly so, a different framework that is intellectually honest and logical would be: "I don't know how this universe came to be."
            No "creator" and no "nothing."

          • 10 months ago
            Solitaire

            I was raised with no religion by agnostic parents.

            >I don't know how this universe came to be.
            well, the problem is that we now partially know, it apparently just "popped into existence" for some reason.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Do I really have to get into different models of how the universe could have came to be?
            This isn't Oyish you know, and I also am not that particularly familiar with them either.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Also, going back to

            >no fricking clue
            k, then why are you so mad?

            I believe in the Bible because I believe it to be the most logical explanation for reality.
            However, within myself originates the DESIRE to have such a logical explanation, yes.
            But not even caring about why things are* is almost inhuman. Like an unthinking animal.
            It started, for me, with comparing
            >nothing created itself into something for no reason
            versus
            >God created everything
            and honestly weighing in my mind which made more sense.

            .
            >nothing created itself into something for no reason
            Which is a flawed manner of speaking. Nothing can create itself, nothing is nothing. You meant to say the universe did. Also, possibly 'nothing created the universe.' In that case, the singularity isn't nothing.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      That's just intelligence, dude.
      We developed it. Part way because we had to. We're not all that strong or fast or anything like that. Being able to think our way out of situations was one of our best hopes of survival.

      Also, banding together in groups.
      Should have led with that.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Why did God make nature bad? I thought God only does good.

      • 10 months ago
        Solitaire

        Nature is not bad.
        It's just not as good as God.
        Nature is an engine which keeps our reality running.
        We eat food, drink water, reproduce, etc.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Why did't he create it a different way? He wants animals and humans fighting over resources and women? I can tell you are not capable of critical thinking. You should like a low IQ cult member that defends your demon worship at any cost.

          • 10 months ago
            Solitaire

            >He wants animals and humans fighting over resources and women?
            Yeah
            What's the matter with that?
            If humans were better we'd all be equally fit.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            I thought God was supposed to be good? That's not good.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Why did't he create it a different way?
            You'd just find something else to complain about because you're stuck in the Cain mindset. You'd resent any Creation that doesn't lay itself at your feet with no effort on your part. God doesn't want spoiled, ungrateful wastrels. He wants you to choose Him, to choose Love, despite the pain and suffering of this life. To cultivate virtue in the face of evil.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            I thought God was supposed to be good? This is evil.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            God is completely sufficient in Himself and does not need or owe you anything. He created you purely out of self giving love. But because Creation doesn't conform to whatever "paradise" your ignorant mortal brain dreams up, you resent it.

            Stop being Cain.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >nature is not as good has God
          You make nature sound like some sort of god.
          Nature isn't good or evil. It's neutral.
          In nature, animals develop all sorts of survival strategies. It all depends on their environment.

          • 10 months ago
            Solitaire

            >Nature isn't good or evil. It's neutral.
            Sure. Perhaps in the sense that "God is neutral"
            But I call it "good" due to its flawless design.
            Since it's logical for me to call flawless things "good"

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's ok if its kuffar

      >We not only overcome nature, but we dominate it. Not dissimilar to God, who authored nature.
      Pure hubris. We own nothing on this rock and nature is not beholden to us. We can hardly even change our own nature. All things belong to Allah.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      No, that's just our pre frontal cortex being ever so more complex. Like how kids suddenly become conscious. Erectus probably had something similar.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >The human ability to overcome the base character of nature
      Man will never be separate from his nature. It doesn't matter how much plastic shit and artificial light you surround yourself with. You will always be a wrathful, jealous, possessive, and murderous creature with base impulses that you merely channel into other endeavors.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        I was just about to post this, so long as man gets hungry, shits, tires, or cries, angers, he has not conquered the jungle within.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >WE WUZ GOD N'SHIET

  2. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Perhaps humans should ideally be opposing force to brutal nature of animal kingdom. What ive observed it is not the case unfortunately.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Why, if it's God's design?

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Well, why did God flood the earth? Perhaps mistakes are part of being human.

  3. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >"Be fruitful and multiply"
    >Like this? *fricks women*
    >"NOOOOO!!! IF YOU EVEN LOOK AT A WOMAN WITH LUST YOU DESERVE HELL!"

  4. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    How did the Genesis begin?

  5. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >god is the god of this universe
    >there are other gods but not in this universe
    >god is at war with them
    >god needs souls that are virtuous and above all loyal to him for his heavenly host
    >they are his chosen people
    >everyone else is just refuse he couldnt give two shits about
    >everyone else exists simply to help forge his perfect chosen souls
    What you don't understand is that Abrahamism isn't universalist, and what he wants from followers is loyalty above all else. God does not love everyone or want salvation for everyone, only for the few elect. Everyone else exists just to create trials and tribulations to filter out the wheat from the chaff.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Sure, if you're a israelite.

  6. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    My Rabbi used to do this funny skit where he would imitate a bible humping Christian and pound the table yelling angrily the New Testament is “THE WORD OF GOD! HOW DARE YOU QUESTION THE WORD OF GUWOD!” Divine authorship is strange, all books are opinions and wisdom of our sages.

  7. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >>God: "Noooooo! Don't do that!!!"
    10 When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace. 11 If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to forced labor and shall work for you. 12 If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. 13 When the Lord your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it. 14 As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take. These as plunder for yourselves. And you may use the plunder the Lord your God gives you from your enemies. -Deuteronomy 20:10-14

  8. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    what makes you say that? its been made pretty clear throughout history that "survival of the fittest" and "kill your enemies" is trumped by mutual cooperation and mutual prosperity and strong family ties and mutual support trumps "breeding as many women as possible"

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Wrong. Criminals have more children than non-criminals.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        What are the qualities of their offspring though?

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        i dont accept that claim at face value and i dont see why it matters anyway

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >i dont accept that claim at face value
          Good. Look it up yourself.
          >i dont see why it matters anyway
          Evolution is purely a game of reproductive success.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            anon youre gonna have to prove the axiom that "evolution through reproductive success" is the goal here, where literally talking about a christian universe

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Jesus is going to unmake the world and everything that survives is going to exist in a state of perpetual harmony with God, criminals having more kids than non criminals doesn't matter, what matters is who's kids possess a grater strength of character and are closer to God

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Jesus is going to unmake the world
            Any day now...

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >2 more weeks, it will surely happen

  9. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    I'm genuinely curious as to why you would assert that those things are all true, AND that it is somehow inconsistent for God to then rugpull you.

  10. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    The world works that way so we can reject it.

    >For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God's law; indeed, it cannot. - Romans 8:7
    >Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect. - Romans 12:2

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      I reject the creation and the creator.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      The problem is that “the world” is referring to human society and not to nature

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Nature, in part, shapes human society. After all, it largely exists to protect us from things that would do us harm, and to obtain and manage resources.

  11. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >>God: "Yeeeeees! Do do that!!!"
    FTFY

  12. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    DEMIURGE

  13. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >don't understand nature
    >try to explain nature
    >blame God for whatever problem that you find
    >forgets that creation is perfect
    >forgets that the problem is in your mind

    So many cases...

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      that creation is perfect

      Ah yes, sunlight that gives everything cancer. Perfect. Amazingly well thought out design by God. Rogue DNA viruses that cause misery to every life form on earth. Brilliant.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >It's not perfect because I don't like it.
        Have you considered we're not using the same definition of perfect, and I don't care about yours because you don't believe in objectivity? I'm using an argument founded on truth, and yours, like any woman's, is founded on an appeal to emotion.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          My definition is based on facts, logic, observable data. Yours is based on your feelings, like a woman.

  14. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >actually sweetie i have designed this world to be perfect but you heckin' eat the applerino because of some snake or something therefore you caused it and you will not enjoy competition, struggling or anything i judged to be LE BAD and devote your entire life to achieve le heckin world peacerino and return to eden even though it means that you will be as dumb as you were when u didnt eat le applerino. go read augustine sweetie

  15. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >God designs nature to be:
    >Survival of the fittest
    >Fight over limited resources
    >Kill your competitors
    Correct. There's nothing wrong with this.
    >Breed as many women as possible
    Incorrect. Just because it happens in a fallen world doesn't mean it's natural.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Incorrect. Just because it happens in a fallen world doesn't mean it's natural.
      It's literally the first commandment God gave to living beings ever. Why do Christians never read the Bible?

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Christians don't read the Bible. They just know some children's story book version they pieced together in their head from listening to their parents and church when they were kids.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      There is no "fallen world". That's a made up israelite fairy tale for morons. The world has always been this way. Animals, apes, neanderthals, cave men have always fricked any female they come in contact with.

  16. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >god
    Pic unrelated?

  17. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    so glad He left us The Church and The Bible to teach us how to not do that.

  18. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    You described the fallen nature, not the nature of God.

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