Even though I'm a Christian myself, I regularly argue against Christianity and I've noticed that less Cjristians are actually willing to dis...

Even though I'm a Christian myself, I regularly argue against Christianity and I've noticed that less Cjristians are actually willing to discuss their religion in good faith but would rather just use insulting strawmen and call their opposition dumb.
I'm dissapointed.

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  1. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    I'm an atheist and I regularly do the opposite. In the defense of christians there are at least some who know what they believe and why, so it's a bit easier to understand their position (and the fact that there is some uniformity in dogma helps keep positions stable). I really don't know a convincing atheist response to the cosmological argument, and more than anything I'm hoping someone will give me one. (I don't think the cosmological argument is fully convincing, obviously, and as a defense of a particular conception of God it's not convincing at all, but the weak interpretation is a very good argument.)

    Also I think calling your opponents dumb can be a very solid empirical argument in some cases, many of which occur on Oyish. Wittgenstein said you could make an entire philosophy out of jokes, I will gonna step further and say you could make one out of s0ijaks.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >cosmological argument
      It's the necessary and contingent part that's fairly problematic (I hate how the word's been fricked by shitters out there).
      But yeah, it's good to argue against your own, and to do your absolute best to represent the arguments accurately, because otherwise you'll just be propping up your own position on a weak foundation.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >cosmological argument
      I would consider myself agnostic because of that. I think there's a reasonable chance of a higher power or universal consciousness. I don't think any given religion has a correct answer or interpretation of God and I'm not certain it would really matter to whatever transcendent being.
      That you can draw a historical line showing how modern day beliefs had ancient origins that evolved and were refined into what they are now, often culturally and politically motivated changes, makes it hard to believe they're correct.

  2. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    I just wanna discuss history, but even in threads ostensibly about history you get homosexual atheists screeching about religion and low IQ baptists screeching about evolution. Calling them morons is a blessing.

  3. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    So Oyish is just atheists arguing for christianity and christians arguing against it?

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      There are some Muslims who pretend to be Protestants and someone is pretending to be Muslim, probably the Hindoos

  4. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    reminder that jesus himself wants you to argue with your belief

    The Faith of a Canaanite Woman
    21 Leaving that place, Jesus withdrew to the region of Tyre and Sidon. 22 A Canaanite woman from that vicinity came to him, crying out, “Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is demon-possessed and suffering terribly.”

    23 Jesus did not answer a word. So his disciples came to him and urged him, “Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us.”

    24 He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”

    25 The woman came and knelt before him. “Lord, help me!” she said.

    26 He replied, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to the dogs.”

    27 “Yes it is, Lord,” she said. “Even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their master’s table.”

    28 Then Jesus said to her, “Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted.” And her daughter was healed at that moment.

  5. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because we do not debate with intrinsic evil. Simple as.

  6. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    I figure most of the Christians on this board aren't sincere, and are mostly just trolls or use the religion as a culture war weapon.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >culture war
      You will never be a woman

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        I don't want to be, and anyone who sincerely denies this board isn't crawling with idpol obsessed /misc/tards either hasn't been here long or is straight up delusional.

        Idk bros I’m a believer in God but most of the stories in the Bible seem too far fetched to believe. The only reason I believe in good is because I’ve seen things that could only be explained by a higher power. If I told you what I saw you’d just think I’m crazy. Like idk maybe Gods real but some parts of the Bible aren’t true? It would be so based if when we die God turns out to be a based bro and he hooks you up with a hot wife and gives you free anime and vidya!

        I believe that while the fallible hands of man and the flow of time has distorted the Bible, God has made sure nothing valuable has been lost from it. After all, the parables Jesus taught were stories meant to teach lessons, not him actually recounting events that had passed. I also believe that it is less distorted than many secular scholars believe though. After all, to the eyes of a non-believer, any miracle or accurate prophecy is an obvious fabrication rather than a factual event.

  7. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    I'm with you, OP. I'm Catholic, but homosexuals like Dirk inspire the devil's-advocate in me.
    I've been an atheist, an Episcopalian, very very israeli-curious; ended up in Rome.
    But the dumbass evangelicals and Calvinists run out my store of patience, very quickly.
    I may have to go to the confessional.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Wow a real Catholic convert and not a racist homophobic edgelord wearing a Catholic costume. Good for you dude

  8. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    I'm better at arguing for the position of theists than they are. But if they can't defend their own faith then they don't deserve their eternal reward.

  9. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    there are no religious people on Oyish.

  10. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Christcuckery discussion can be good if its intellectual. problem is 99% of xtians here come to post ''masturbation is objectively wrong lol" or other 10th grade drivel. Or trying to argue by dumping verses from their McGuffin pamphlet that cannot be refuted cos LE WORD OF GOD

  11. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Idk bros I’m a believer in God but most of the stories in the Bible seem too far fetched to believe. The only reason I believe in good is because I’ve seen things that could only be explained by a higher power. If I told you what I saw you’d just think I’m crazy. Like idk maybe Gods real but some parts of the Bible aren’t true? It would be so based if when we die God turns out to be a based bro and he hooks you up with a hot wife and gives you free anime and vidya!

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      As shitposty as you are, I wish more believers would tell me their faith is based on a personal revelation. I can respect that.

  12. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Same. /misc/tards ruin everything.

  13. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    I don't think most Christians actually believe the Trinity is coherent

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      I believe the Trinity is a divine mystery that is difficult to understand (although not impossible), and basically impossible to explain.

  14. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why argue about religion? are you stupid?

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      A good argument can be genuinely fun.
      Unfortunately those are rare.

  15. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    In your mind you know it's all child's play and instead of becoming a man and becoming an atheist you play with stupid children

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Sounds like projection. People can believe in their religion and still think many other people who claim to be believers are just larpers who're trying to justify their real (usually hateful) beliefs or for cultural reasons.

  16. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Things I don't like about Christians
    They do not understand that the fundamental concepts that provide the foundation of their religion are not believed universally, one example is original sin and salvation
    I think this is likely due to the fact that their entire lives they have only interacted with people who were baptised and went to a church
    Secondly it is the assumption that everyone should automatically just consider the New Testament as being scripture or more broadly, the entire Bible as being scripture
    There was a video by a Christian attempting to convert Muslims and one point they raised was basically 'why do you say you respect Jesus when you clearly don't'
    They don't point to Hadith in which Muhammad says that Jesus was a liar or an adulterer, that he was a murderer or blasphemer, the problem they have is the fact that Muslims think that Jesus was a man and not God
    That makes absolutely no sense

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      I'm a Christian, and I've always thought using the threat of Hell to win converts was the dumbest thing ever. That threat has no legs if the person doesn't already believe in Hell.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Do you have a link or at least the name of those Hadiths?

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Sorry these are hypothetical ways I could imagine saying 'why do you say you respect Jesus when you clearly don't' would make sense
        I'm not saying those hadith are actually real

        I'm a Christian, and I've always thought using the threat of Hell to win converts was the dumbest thing ever. That threat has no legs if the person doesn't already believe in Hell.

        I'm not Christian and was raised in a non-Christian environment and I think the threat of hell works but only insofar as something like the Roko's basilisk works
        Obviously it is more effective than the basilisk but the problem I see is that somebody like me choosing to embrace Christianity would be in a 'redirect this email to 10 email contacts or else you will die' sense rather than a 'I'm a hopeless sinner who deserves to burn forever in Hell yet the merciful and benevolent saviour Jesus Christ has decided to offer the free gift of salvation to me and I'm so grateful for it' sense

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Obviously it is more effective than the basilisk but the problem I see is that somebody like me choosing to embrace Christianity would be in a 'redirect this email to 10 email contacts or else you will die' sense
          So it only works on morons

  17. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Knocked out so hard the thread deleted itself

    Bring your A-game next time.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      I do this to strengthen you by breaking your false crutches so that you might draw closer to the true understanding.

  18. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Try being an atheist and arguing in favour of Christianity. A lot more fun.

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