Does anyone have any information on ritual castration outside of Abrahamic religion/mysticism?

Heavens Gate excluded.

I am looking for any information available on the prevalence of ritualistic castration outside of the Abrahamic faiths, specifically faiths/mystic practices that practiced castration for non ascetic purposes or purposes in addition to ascetic ones.

The ideal time period I am looking for is early middle ages and earlier, geographical location is not important. If such cultures as states above do exist, any information about their beliefs or supposed beliefs would be greatly appreciated.

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  1. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    The only example I know of is the cult of Cybele, but their temples in Rome were destroyed by Christians. They've resurfaced, however. Details about their beliefs and practices were well preserved--theological texts, artifacts, etc.
    > And observe the following: As in the festival of the Mother the instrument of generation is severed, so too with the Athenians, those who take part in the secret rites are wholly chaste and their leader the hierophant forswears generation; because he must not have aught to do with the progress to the unlimited, but only with the substance whose bounds are fixed, so that it abides for ever and is contained in the One, stainless and pure.

  2. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    >outside of the Abrahamic faiths
    what do you mean? we have done the most research on the subject. we have the most experience. you have no reason to ask anyone else about it.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      I lol'd

      The only example I know of is the cult of Cybele, but their temples in Rome were destroyed by Christians. They've resurfaced, however. Details about their beliefs and practices were well preserved--theological texts, artifacts, etc.
      > And observe the following: As in the festival of the Mother the instrument of generation is severed, so too with the Athenians, those who take part in the secret rites are wholly chaste and their leader the hierophant forswears generation; because he must not have aught to do with the progress to the unlimited, but only with the substance whose bounds are fixed, so that it abides for ever and is contained in the One, stainless and pure.

      Yeah, this is the only one that springs to mind for me too. From what I understand, this cult usually did this to young and breedable femboys. It was their equivalent to being a troony, which wasn't regarded as a bad thing - just a DIFFERENT thing.

    • 8 months ago
      MCX

      because Abrahamic faiths almost exclusively practiced castration to reduce libido/prevent reproduction. I am not interested in these answers as they are purely material in nature, with spiritual benefits tacked onto no longer being able to preform sexual function (in most cases). I am looking for practices that believed that castration (either being castrated yourself or castrating someone else) held significant ritualistic importance, specifically in the acquisition of higher knowledge or some other occult "power".

      The only example I know of is the cult of Cybele, but their temples in Rome were destroyed by Christians. They've resurfaced, however. Details about their beliefs and practices were well preserved--theological texts, artifacts, etc.
      > And observe the following: As in the festival of the Mother the instrument of generation is severed, so too with the Athenians, those who take part in the secret rites are wholly chaste and their leader the hierophant forswears generation; because he must not have aught to do with the progress to the unlimited, but only with the substance whose bounds are fixed, so that it abides for ever and is contained in the One, stainless and pure.

      Thank you for your contribution.

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        Specifically in the context of their religion, they believed that castrates were 'fixed' like the gods. Think on how in antiquity gods were depicted as persons embodying complete or emphatic forms of particular emotions or concepts. So in foreswearing generation, figuratively and literally, a person grows closer to the One, the indivisible. It's one of the few sort of post-human states enjoyed on Earth, and they didn't require any technology but a hot knife to accomplish this. This may also steer into art as a form of generation. There was a famous artist, I forget the name, who said all art is sublimated libido. A eunuch in this faith would probably also resist the creative impulse.

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        >I am looking for practices that believed that castration held significant ritualistic importance
        you haven't even read the book yet.
        here, let me open a passage for you.

        Mishnah Shabbat 18-19
        If there is uncertainty whether or not to circumcise a baby, and likewise in the case of a hermaphrodite [androginos] baby, who possesses both male and female genitals, one does not desecrate Shabbat to perform the circumcision, since it is not certain that the circumcision is required. And Rabbi Yehuda permits doing so for a hermaphrodite baby

        you see, there is plenty of ritualistic importance. you just haven't looked for it yet.

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          You're probably memeing, but circumcision is a mere requirement of their covenant. It imparts nothing, means nothing. It's the spiritual equivalent of an employee uniform.

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            listen here, you ungrateful little shit. were it not for us, nobody would know whether to circumcise a hermaphrodite or not.
            we are the ONLY ones who have written about it. go ahead, look. nobody has even addressed it but us. so when one has questions, i seek to answer them.
            and as such, you reject my counsel. find the answers on your own.

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          O wise Rabbi, my eldest boy is of age to partake in the Shilauch Hakan. But we're unsure on whether G-d prefers that the stolen goose eggs be destroyed in FRONT of their mother, or whether it's okay to take them home, crack them open, and slurp out the foetal chicks like we're devouring foreskins. What does the magic book say?

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            >stolen goose eggs
            well, before i can answer your question, i have to make sure:
            those were stolen from a goyim, and not a fellow israelite, correct?

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            W-well, we were GOING to steal wild ones, because we know nature is unholy and animals are filthy and G-d hates them. But that's a great idea, Rabbi! We'll steal some from the stupid goyim. Thank you!

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          I recall no israeli law calling for the ritualistic castration of some sect of males.

  3. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Here's something I read about in a book about how twin siblings are treated around the world. It's about an African tribe. I don't remember what time period this kind of circumcision was practiced, and I can't seem to find the source this book used for this:

    >Identical treatment during adolescence among the African Bomvana extended so far as mock circumcision for a boy's twin sister!
    >She shaved her head like her brother, exchanged a necklace with him, and sat beside him.
    >The operator pretended to circumcise her first before moving on to her brother.
    >While the boy was secluded in the circumcision hut, she wore one of his shirts.

  4. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    I'm getting this from memory.
    I think that this was done for Ishtar, or another old god, before the Roman Empire. A goddess associated with fertility and harvest.
    A man would castrate himself as a sacrifice and as a way to make himself more womanly for her. It was a way to ask for a good harvest.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous
  5. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    There’s a lot of witchcraft magic normally done by women that men can’t do very easily unless they’re castrated.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      True enough. But we can go places women fear to tread.

    • 8 months ago
      MCX

      Go on, I am interested. Specifically witchcraft or feminine magic as a whole. Does it have to do with the absence of testes, or the absence of testosterone? Could someone taking supplemental test preform such magic if they simply lacked testes, or are the cognitive changes associated with traditional castration a requirement for such practices. Alternatively, is it the inability to reproduce which gives the eunuch these abilities even if he is still sexually active?

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        Also, does the method of removal play a part in the acquisition of certain kinds of magic, or does it simply make learning these kinds of magic easier?

        oh wtf i thought this was a troll thread but no you're an actual troony trying to convince himself that he'll gain superpowers when he cuts off his dick.

        • 8 months ago
          MCX

          lol no. if you really want to know i have a genetic medical condition that may require surgery on or removal of one or both of my testes. in the event that i need to have them removed i will most likely take supplemental testosterone as i am fine being a guy and i like my dick. The reason why i posted stemmed from a convo i had with a close friend about this topic.

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            If you're curious for more subjective answers to your questions, I can probably answer, as I'm a eunuch myself, and the child of a witch.

            There’s a lot of witchcraft magic normally done by women that men can’t do very easily unless they’re castrated.

            Can confirm that what this anon says is true.

          • 8 months ago
            MCX

            Yes I would love answers. Does the method of castration play a role in the magic? Would taking supplemental test effect the magic? If I were to freeze some sperm before the procedure would that negate the magic if that sperm were used to make my kid? Does prior sexual experience effect the potency of the magic after castration? Can one still be sexually active post castration without interfering with their gained magical techniques?

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            Women typically dabble in divinatory magic, which entails altered states. If you notice, in spiritualism and other similar practices, the medium chosen is always either a child, or a woman. There are probably physiological reasons for this. Women channel, men listen and interpret. This is how it's always been done. I have a personal friend, a Christian surprisingly, who in his desire to know and fight evil chooses to play this role, and he listens when I go into my fugues. To answer most of your questions, I don't think the material details are all that important. When we speak of these things historically, there are tenets of course. Whereas for me, a lot of what I know and do occurred emergently, due to the tutelage of an entity I can't prove the existence of. I do however try to remain chaste, and avoid creative outlets. Whether that contributes to any magical potency, I couldn't say. It helps in that I'm less distracted by the worldly, certainly.

          • 8 months ago
            MCX

            I am fairly gifted at divination already, but i could always get better. Do you live as a eunuch or have you been castrated/born without functional testes? if you were castrated did you notice a significant change in your mystical outlook? (provided that you are this anon

            If you're curious for more subjective answers to your questions, I can probably answer, as I'm a eunuch myself, and the child of a witch.
            [...]
            Can confirm that what this anon says is true.

            )

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            I do, yes. I had the compulsion to have the surgery done, and did so when I was young, 22. They're gone, and I don't take any supplemental hormones. This is considered medically unwise, but I much prefer the mental state. Some call it 'the calm'. There are pros and cons to everything. I've traded focus and energy for other things. To say there was a change in my outlook and demeanor would be an understatement. I feel in a sense displaced from space and time, and even from my own humanity. Probably for good reason in the past my kind were used as diplomats and messengers, for their radically even temperament.

          • 8 months ago
            MCX

            I know you can most likely only speak off of personal experience, but do you know if any of my other inquiries are of any importance? I assume you had your testes removed in a medical setting, but depending on the practice would ritual removal play a role in acquired skill? If i end up losing my testes i will most likely end up on TRT, are there any other spiritual benefits besides the ones that come from the cognitive change due to hormones?

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            Not that I'm aware of. It's very much the result that changes you. I will say I'm glad I didn't go under. The deed was performed only with a local anesthetic, similar to the old way where they'd liquor you up and that was that. Being somewhat lucid during the process is something I'll never forget. If you are forced to go through this, you have the opportunity to try living without TRT. It'll be available to you whenever you want it. I knew a guy who lost his due to swelling from an illness, and he actually came to like himself as he'd become. Lost his gf because of the loss of libido, but being the absolute chill eunuch he was, he didn't even care. Maybe it's providence, maybe it's not. You'll find out.

          • 8 months ago
            MCX

            Only one of my previous partners was ok (and actually supportive) of me getting castrated. Another partner was supportive for awhile but changed her tune when she realized that i would not be able to naturally inseminate her. I am considering getting back together with her in which case i would need to deal with my issue until we're done having kids, then get castrated.

          • 8 months ago
            MCX

            I know you mentioned that the material details are not as important as the spiritual ones, implying that the spiritual knowledge is more important than any physical ritual. previous comment made it look like i disregarded that.

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            >lol no. if you really want to know i have a genetic medical condition that may require surgery on or removal of one or both of my testes.
            oh. if true, sorry to hear that. it was this line:
            >(either being castrated yourself or castrating someone else)
            and your picrel that made me suspicious but ok.

            damn, i feel bad, i want to give you a real answer now. since you want to avoid abrahamics, my best advice would be to find a real practitioner of spiritual medicine, i.e. someone who specializes in acupuncture/sowa rigpa/etc. ask them what an amputee's spiritual body would be like. i can't remember from where, but i remember seeing some explanation of how someone's spiritual body was still kind of 'there' even though the limb had been taken off. they might be able to point you in the direction of understanding your energy body, as there may be some benefit you can make of it. hell, for all we know you might be able to take in energy at double efficiency. just don't go advocating it to others if you happen to find a benefit lol.

            although not entirely spiritual, it does have underlying spiritual meaning so the best i can give you is to remember that when the body loses one function, it tends to strengthen itself elsewhere. when one loses sight, their hearing is sharpened, etc. so it would come as no surprise to me if the same were true in spirit. you can grow and become stronger from almost anything, as long as you allow it. and especially cuz it's not like you did it to yourself.

          • 8 months ago
            MCX

            I feel like i should mention that the removal would most likely be due to chronic pain. the condition will get worse over time and i developed it far younger than my father. it comes and goes but it can get bad enough to require me to sit down for a few minutes. Supposedly it has not progressed enough for it to be operable or medicated, however the pain some days is unbearable. luckily for me it comes and goes on a sporadic basis. if the pain is this bad (it can and does effect my daily life and work from time to time) and the actual problem cannot be operated on i may just say frick it and have them removed, because i would rather take TRT than live in constant pain.

          • 8 months ago
            MCX

            sporadic as in extreme pain for a few days 2-3 times a month. enough where it is miserable when its here but i can function when its gone and mostly function while its around.

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            hey, that's understandable. i would still say you might want to take a look at some eastern energy work when you have the time. i don't want to sound like the christcucks who think that all illnesses are le demons, but there are indeed plenty of physical things that can stem from a spiritual nature. just make sure you've exhausted all your options before going through with it.

            earlier it sounded like it was a done deal, but if you say there's still a chance that a surgical remedy exists, your best bet would be to familiarize yourself with LoA, and get that shit working for your best outcome.

            and our eunuch friend is being nice, so i'm not about to start an argument with him, but since you said you're trying to avoid abrahamics, make sure you've done your best to make sure that there's no judaism within whatever flavor of magic you're about to engage in. you'd be surprised how many of those tik-tok witches have provably-israeli magic within and oops, nobody knew.

          • 8 months ago
            MCX

            I am skeptical of TLoA but i understand how it works in function. I will check out the energy work though. Yes, i agree, israeli magic is a cesspool.

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            >I am skeptical of TLoA but i understand how it works in function
            to be fair, the general here on /x/ is shit and they give you a 0/10 child's guide to the galaxy. and even then, the most i can give you is anecdotal which, especially on the internet, is worthless. all i can say is that over the course of studying it, i've seen many good authors, and many bad authors. there's no one book on LoA that's going to explain it perfectly to 100% of people, so all i can say is check for a few different sources. especially considering there's actually a lot of free works out there on the subject.

          • 8 months ago
            MCX

            I should also mention that if i do get castrated i plan on getting castrated in a traditional manner, preferably by an experienced cutter who is aware of the spiritual implications of the procedure. I do know that many Asian cultures have a long history of making eunuchs, so maybe i could find a traditional medicine practitioner who would be willing to do an off the books castration. I really only have 3 criteria, one of which i already listed, the other 2 being that it be done without anesthetic, and that the cutter be female (i would prefer that the cutter be female as i would prefer the procedure done by someone of the same gender who's "power" i would be more fully realizing).

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            >(i would prefer that the cutter be female as i would prefer the procedure done by someone of the same gender who's "power" i would be more fully realizing).
            bruh this is why i thought you were a troony earlier. if you get them taken off does not mean you're going to be a woman. and i hate to say it, but any explanation with the underlying connotations that you will be a woman, is unfortunately going to fall under the umbrella of abrahamic that you so seek to avoid.

            sorry, maybe your condition is legit but i can't help but feel like i'm being trolled by an actual troony rn. if i post in this thread again, it's just gonna be more rabbis like earlier.

          • 8 months ago
            MCX

            I was associating the female energy with what was said earlier. I have no interest in becoming a woman based off of Abrahamic magic. Apologies for the mix up. The other anon implied that there is magic that women can do that is normally difficult for uncastrated males. I would simply prefer that a women who is aware of this fact and can actually practice said magic.

            see

            There’s a lot of witchcraft magic normally done by women that men can’t do very easily unless they’re castrated.

          • 8 months ago
            MCX

            *I would simply prefer that a women who is aware of this fact and can actually practice said magic preform the castration.

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            >The other anon implied that there is magic that women can do that is normally difficult for uncastrated males.
            that's fine. but the thing is, you're viewing the actual act of castration as being the magic part. a ceremony, a ritual. that's where abrahamic comes in. the only possible magic you're going to find out there that says you're going to gain powers from 'cutting your balls off properly' is 100% going to be abrahamic, and will likely be in the perspective of it being some sort of sacrifice. guarantee it. the most you're going to find is
            >sacrifice your balls to fish-god-dagon under conditions x, y, and z...
            >perhaps apply ice

            the act in itself is not going to give you anything but the relief you seek. i'm going to bed anyway so it doesn't matter if you're trolling, but if you're actually serious about the operation, don't get some backalley operation done based upon the mutterings of

            Lets get back to the topic at hand, I am more interested in learning about the history and beliefs than arguing with anons.

            frick you. YWNBAW abrahamic or otherwise

          • 8 months ago
            MCX

            Gn.

            As i said, i dont care about "being a woman". If im going to have them removed i simply expect to have them removed in the most spiritually beneficial manner to me as possible. What you described as Abrahamic seems very similar to many other cultures and traditions (see

            I'm getting this from memory.
            I think that this was done for Ishtar, or another old god, before the Roman Empire. A goddess associated with fertility and harvest.
            A man would castrate himself as a sacrifice and as a way to make himself more womanly for her. It was a way to ask for a good harvest.

            ). I started this thread to simply see if such things were practiced or normalized in different cultures or magical traditions.

    • 8 months ago
      MCX

      Also, does the method of removal play a part in the acquisition of certain kinds of magic, or does it simply make learning these kinds of magic easier?

  6. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    ngl, saying that you want a medically unlicensed Asian witch to cut your balls off sounds suspiciously like this is a kink, rather than anything medically or spiritually significant.

    • 8 months ago
      MCX

      Whoever has the best credentials will most likely be the one to preform the procedure. Whether or not they're asian is up to chance. i care more about the spiritual significance than anything, which means that it will most likely be some kind of ritual ceremony. i will leave the details up to the person doing the ceremony, if i even go through with the procedure. I care more about the spiritual aspect than the female aspect, however in this context i believe they may be related.

      • 8 months ago
        MCX

        Realistically speaking there is someone who has both the right medical and magical credentials to do the job. the race of the individual does not matter, just that they are able to preform the procedure and are aware of the significance, and finding that person should be easy enough if i know what circles to poke my head into.

  7. 8 months ago
    MCX

    Lets get back to the topic at hand, I am more interested in learning about the history and beliefs than arguing with anons.

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