Do atheists actually believe the universe came from nothing?

Isn't that just as moronic as believing in God?

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  1. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Only a demon would claim sole responsibility for the creation of the universe and a monopoly of control over it.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      why

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Because we know what the formal physical, natural and evolutionary laws of the universe are, they were discovered by Europeans.

        So the most likely history is that the devil feared the European discovery of Gods laws, and came to earth in the form of Abraham to bring the false promise of the Abrahamic religions: Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, to prevent man from evolving into the hand of God.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Because we know what the formal physical, natural and evolutionary laws of the universe are
          Those laws - are they the result of logical necessity? (As in, they have to apply to our world just as much as the logical law of non-contradiction does)

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Prolly cuz the Devil is No. 1, he's the Creator.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            didn't answer my question :p

  2. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    No, it's actually more moronic.

  3. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Goddess is the Creator misogynist.

  4. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Do atheists actually believe the universe came from nothing
    >He doesn’t know about creation ex nihilo
    Abrahamic theists also believe the world “came from nothing”, that’s literally what creation ex nihilo means. Also in Buddhism the substance of the world is ultimately “nothing”, that is the conclusion of the interdependence teaching. The idea that the world is somehow “made of nothing”, like a pot is made of clay isn’t exclusive to atheists, atheists just have their own cosmology and ontology that separates them from these other philosophies

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Abrahamic theists also believe the world “came from nothing”, that’s literally what creation ex nihilo means
      You're misunderstanding. That's like me saying "nothing stopped me from posting this reply". I'm not saying that I was stopped and that the thing that stopped me was nothing, I am saying that I was not stopped

      Similarly, to say God created the world from nothing means he created the world without using anything. He needed no materials, he brought things directly into existence.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Abrahamic theists also believe the world “came from nothing”, that’s literally what creation ex nihilo means.
      That's why they believe it took a divine act by an omnipotent being to create the universe from nothing. Atheists believe it came to be how exactly? They don't know. Just hat it was created from nothing. Somehow.

  5. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Isn't that just as moronic as believing in God?
    Of course it is. Since in order to believing in God, you must also believe that he came from nothing.

    Same moronic beliefs

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >you must also believe that he came from nothing.
      Why? You can believe God is the prime mover and has always existed. Most theists do.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Most theists do.
        No. They believe that God came from nothing. This is apparent if you push the subject enough.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          >No. They believe that God came from nothing.
          No. They don't. At least not Christians and Muslims.

  6. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why should I assume that nothingness is some kind of default state which precedes existence?

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Nothingness is by definition that which lacks existence.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      What's the alternative? That existence predates existence? Then it doesn't predate it.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        The point is that the question itself is invalid. Time is a physical property of the universe, not some kind of clock that was ticking "before" the universe right there amidst nothingness. We see that time is experienced differently under different physical conditions to the point where massless particles don't even experience time at all, meaning there's no reason to assume that all of existence is some kind of "before -> then" timeline which is implied by the idea of the universe "coming from" something.

  7. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    With atheists, it's all about justifying their sadistic and gluttonous urges. They reject their God because they know in their hearts what they seek is wrong.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      you embarrass the other christians on this board, you pretentious homosexual. stop posting.

  8. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    no self respecting atheist believes that. GR suggest that every worldline converges to a singularity in the past but we also know that GR is in conflict with QM so saying anything about what happened during the Planck Epoch is pure guesswork as of now. Maybe there was infinite time before the Planck Epoch maybe not, who knows.
    >Isn't that just as moronic as believing in God?
    Yes it is

  9. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Do atheists actually believe the universe came from nothing?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmological_natural_selection

  10. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Big bang was created by a Catholic priest to covertly imply there was a God

  11. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Frick fedoras but it is not what big bang cosmology is about. Nobody cares what was before and nobody is even trying to explain what was before it is just a model that 14 billion years ago universe was in a different state of infinite density and then started to expand maybe it was infinitely old though it is not good term because time didn't exist before and this so called initial singularity was just a point in time before expansion again what was before is way beyond our understanding of science

  12. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Do atheists actually believe
    No. Believing things is for children.

  13. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    The universe is expanding
    14 billion years ago it was so small and dense that matter could not exist, then it bagen expanding rapidly and allowing for ordinary matter

    Thats all we know. Its possible there was a previous universe prior to the big bang, in fact this seems to be a leading hypothesis. Another leading hypothesis that seems to be championed by people like Roger Penrose is that this universe will end up under conditions similar to the big bang in the far, far future, giving way to another big bang, and the cycle will repeat ad infinitum. In this context the universe has no beginning or an end, just an endless cycle of big bangs->heat death->big bang.etc and we exist in the middle of this cycle.
    None of this disproved the idea of God as some metaphysical prime mover of reality of course, but it does largely disprove religion itself, it disproves churches and bibles. Even if God does exist, you cannot reasonably expect it to be the Christian God. Science-Philosophy is an ancient field, but its re-emerging as a modern field of study and academics again.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Shit thread

      no self respecting atheist believes that. GR suggest that every worldline converges to a singularity in the past but we also know that GR is in conflict with QM so saying anything about what happened during the Planck Epoch is pure guesswork as of now. Maybe there was infinite time before the Planck Epoch maybe not, who knows.
      >Isn't that just as moronic as believing in God?
      Yes it is

      Frick fedoras but it is not what big bang cosmology is about. Nobody cares what was before and nobody is even trying to explain what was before it is just a model that 14 billion years ago universe was in a different state of infinite density and then started to expand maybe it was infinitely old though it is not good term because time didn't exist before and this so called initial singularity was just a point in time before expansion again what was before is way beyond our understanding of science

      >Our whole universe was in a hot, dense state
      >Then nearly fourteen billion years ago expansion started, wait
      >The earth began to cool, the autotrophs began to drool
      >Neanderthals developed tools
      >We built a wall (we built the pyramids)
      >Math, science, history, unraveling the mysteries
      >That all started with the big bang (bang)

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        I look like this and TMBG is a good band but I never cared for big bang theory (the show)

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