Did Orthodoxy lag behind Catholicism in terms of theology/philosophy and science?

Did Orthodoxy lag behind Catholicism in terms of theology/philosophy and science?

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  1. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Western Europe progressed in spite of Roman Catholicism, not because of it.
    >inb4 muh statues of virgins that look like curvy b***hes wearing paper-thin robes
    Not an argument, Mr. Coomdditor.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Western Europe progressed in spite of Roman Catholicism, not because of it.

      Modern science is build directly on the labour of the Franciscans.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        The only thing Franciscans have ever contributed to the Scientific Method was Ockham's razor, which basically says "Unnecessary stuff is useless".

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          You forgot Roger Bacon, the technofuturist of the 13th century.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            He literally discovered gunpowder. He already did more than you will ever do in your irrelevant life

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            Not to mention Alessandro Volta, Jerome LeJeune, George Lemaitre, Gregor Mendel, Augustin-Louis Cauchy, Ruggiero Boscovich

            Science has never been a problem for Catholicism

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      >>inb4 muh statues of virgins that look like curvy b***hes wearing paper-thin robes
      >calls other people coomers
      I'm as protestant as they come, but there's objectively more beauty in the Renaissance, and even pre-renaissance art of the West than the inbreed hyper stylization of Greek and Russian icons. One only has to compare the Panocrater of Saint Catherine's Monastery in Saini with the same type of icon by Andri Rublev to see much of the byzantine style is a telephone game of one artist's quirks and style being copied by another while adding his own, ending up with grey falien faces and branch like hands
      t. ex-catholic and orthodox who fell for the memes on both sides and realized both come down to which a ex-prot thinks looks cooler

  2. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    >theology
    No, the East has very rich theology
    >Philosophy
    Yes, the East doesn't like philosophy and has lagged behind Catholicism
    >Science
    Pretty irrelevant considering secularism has them both beat. Byzantines had a huge leg up in engineering for awhile, Russians advanced the sciences for a bit, Tesla was the son of an Orthodox priest, but this is all pre-20th century.

  3. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Scientifically speaking yes because they were relegated to being the slaves of turks or living in an isolated mongol ravaged wasteland. They were never patrons of science to the same extent the west was. Philosophically they already had a robust tradition by AD1000 thats at least as good as scholasticism

  4. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    >theology
    Equal
    >Science and Philosophy
    Both were laughably irrelevant in the ages where the two fairhs were taken seriously and integral to society. There's a reason philosophy classes jump from the ancient greeks to Des Cartes, the early modern period. Debates over if Jesus was fully God or man are irrelevant.

  5. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Short answer: yes

  6. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    What the Orthodox fail to understand is that they inherited a civilizational model from a decadent civilization. They received the pearl of the gospel covered in the dust of Byzantium, as Vladimir Solovyov wisely quipped

    Post-schism Byzantium was heavily decadent. Thanks to the influence of Gregory Palamas, they rejected Greco-Roman Philosophy (especially Aristotle), which was responsible for a massive intellectual decadence in Byzantium, leading many Byzantine intellectuals to seek refuge in the West, which, in turn, made the Western Renaissance possible.

    Not to mention the hesychast practices lead them to moral lassity, summarized in their concept of oikonomia

    It's no wonder such a Church would fail miserably at producing great civilizations

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      I know online e-trads hate Palamas but come on, Palamas' theology is directly neoplatonic, its fully greco-roman

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        It's an extreme form of platonism that takes it so far away it effectively ceases to be platonic lmao also known as "gnosticism"

        Palamism is not just a theology, it's also a philosophy. It was necessary to reinvent philosophy to cope with a reinvented doctrine/theology so they could somehow justify it

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          You really haven't read many neoplatonic works, have you?
          Neoplatonism is all about an underlying inner truth within all things you can unite yourself to through study and meditation. Palamas describes this as the Energies, the Neoplatonists called it the Logos

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            That's more like hinduism and buddhism than anything Plato ever wrote. As I said, platonism taken to an extreme leads it to gnosticism. The same case could be made for aristotelianism, which can degenerate into scientificism and materialism very easily when misled

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            You're mixing up platonism with neoplatonism and that tells me you know nothing of classical philosophy. Read Plotinus and Porphyry you pseud. Iamblichus and Procus too if you want to see how neoplatonic reasoning adopts theurgy

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            I've read a great neoplatonic called Saint Augustine, and I'm more than content with that, since it's a Christian version of it

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            Oh okay you don't understand philosophy at all. Got it.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            Or maybe I prefer reading someone like Saint Augustine instead of listening to a random stranger on the internet whom I don't even know. Why should I waste my time listening to whatever bullshit you say again?

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            You can just admit you never studied philosophy, anon. Most people haven't

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            Or maybe I'm not interested in your personal opinions. Maybe you should admit to yourself you're not a great philosopher, anon. Most people aren't

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            Augustine himself read Plotinus by the recommendation of St. Ambrose you moron.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yes, and, thankfully he did the hard work for me, which is why I have recourse to him instead of trying to reinvent the wheel

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            E-TradCaths are really moronic
            Applying this logic you shouldn't read the Bible because the Pope put in the legwork for you.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Applying this logic you shouldn't read the Bible because the Pope put in the legwork for you
            Reading the Bible is not an absolute pre-requisite for justification

            No matter what you say, so far you have displayed extremely low-level intelligence, boy

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            Not that Anon, but claiming you know about Neo-Platonism because you've read St. Augustine is like claiming you know chanbara films because you once watched the original Star Wars movies. There is obviously some influence of one in the other, but you wouldn't know exactly where it starts or where it stops unless you know the original too.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            It's an extreme form of platonism that takes it so far away it effectively ceases to be platonic lmao also known as "gnosticism"

            Palamism is not just a theology, it's also a philosophy. It was necessary to reinvent philosophy to cope with a reinvented doctrine/theology so they could somehow justify it

            -> It's an extreme form of platonism

            He clearly made a distinction between platonism and neoplatonism and then proceeded to scold me without even adequately reading my post

            What to expect from someone who thinks of himself a great intellectual, but can't read words even a 7 yo boy could?

            I have nothing to comment on this lmao

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            Not to mention aristotelianism, platonism and neoplatonism aren't simply a set of given informations to be memorized, but rather specific intellectual acts to be practiced. People often times lose touch with the fact intellectual life is not mere passive contemplation, but active hard work. The principles of each of these schools have to be effectively implemented.

            If someone hasn't gotten past the stage of thinking of philosophy as information to be memorized and hasn't reached the stage where it's an exercise, an activity, I literally have no time to waste on this kind of person. I can only suggest this person to work harder so he can reach the next level

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            You just classified neoplatonism as gnostic platonism which is entirely incorrect. You then refuse to actually read the originator of neoplatonism. Then you call him moronic because you yourself refuse to read the fundamental literature on the topic. It's no wonder he disengaged

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            >You just classified neoplatonism as gnostic platonism which is entirely incorrect.
            Again, I have no time to discuss with illiterate kids like you or the other anon. First you learn the basics, then I can talk to you

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            You have no time to waste because you don't understand the topic and most likely only get your information from it from various youtubers you treat subconciously as near-infallible preachers that you accept their word on the topic unconditionally. You lack the critical thinking skills to challenge the preconceived notion of these people and shut down anyone critical of them because in your mind these people are the anchor of your philosophy and anything not within what they've taught or against what they've taught must be idiotic. Despite the ability to critically analyze your own reasoning and adapt to criticism being the fundamental of a well exercised mind, you choose to shut down and belittle that instead because the thought of critique is beneath you as someone elevated. This is very common among online communities.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            You're the one who started this shit by saying Palamas' theology isn't from a lineage of Greco-Roman philosophy

            What the Orthodox fail to understand is that they inherited a civilizational model from a decadent civilization. They received the pearl of the gospel covered in the dust of Byzantium, as Vladimir Solovyov wisely quipped

            Post-schism Byzantium was heavily decadent. Thanks to the influence of Gregory Palamas, they rejected Greco-Roman Philosophy (especially Aristotle), which was responsible for a massive intellectual decadence in Byzantium, leading many Byzantine intellectuals to seek refuge in the West, which, in turn, made the Western Renaissance possible.

            Not to mention the hesychast practices lead them to moral lassity, summarized in their concept of oikonomia

            It's no wonder such a Church would fail miserably at producing great civilizations

            You can't backpedal and say "bruh it's all just labels bro" after starting the argument by saying "they don't belong to this label"

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            You still don't understand the concept of taking something to such an extreme the thing effectively ceases to be itself.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            Augustine is far more divorced from Plotinus than Palamas. If anything Augustine is the extremist

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            Augustine was a Christian first and foremost. Once again, you fail to understand the relations between profane and sacred knowledge because your pride stands in the way of your intelligence

            You have a long road ahead of you, kid

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            Augustine was not infallible. Augustine couldn't even read the Bible in the original language

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Augustine was not infallible. Augustine couldn't even read the Bible in the original language

            >you fail to understand the relations between profane and sacred knowledge because your pride stands in the way of your intelligence

            Quod erat demonstrandum

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            Prove Augustine had sacred knowledge. He's not a central authority to the entire Eastern Christian world, including Oriental Orthodox (who reject Palamas). He's seen as wacky and out there by the Greek speaking Church Fathers. What is so special about HIS version of neoplatonism that is so sacred?

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            >To His Holy Lord and Most Blessed Father, Augustine, Jerome Sends Greeting.

            >At all times I have esteemed your Blessedness with becoming reverence and honour, and have loved the Lord and Saviour dwelling in you. But now we add, if possible, something to that which has already reached a climax, and we heap up what was already full, so that we do not suffer a single hour to pass without the mention of your name, because you have, with the ardour of unshaken faith, stood your ground against opposing storms, and preferred, so far as this was in your power, to be delivered from Sodom, though you should come forth alone, rather than linger behind with those who are doomed to perish. Your wisdom apprehends what I mean to say. Go on and prosper! You are renowned throughout the whole world; Catholics revere and look up to you as the restorer of the ancient faith, and — which is a token of yet more illustrious glory— all heretics abhor you. They persecute me also with equal hatred, seeking by imprecation to take away the life which they cannot reach with the sword. May the mercy of Christ the Lord preserve you in safety and mindful of me, my venerable lord and most blessed father.

            This is what Saint Jerome spoke of him. Saint Jerome was the personal secretary of Pope Saint Damasus I, another canonized Saint of the Church.

            Saint Augustine was also a disciple of Saint Ambrose and the son of Saint Monica. He also corresponded with Saint Optatus.

            To support your views, you have to condemn the entire Western Church, a view which is not only illogical from a Christian pov, but also an act of pride and lack of charity

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            Saints aren't infallible and disagree all the time. St. John of Damascus and St. Maximus the Confessor certainly disagree with St. Augustine on this issue.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            Disagreement is natural, but it requires humility to listen, comprehend and meditate before attacking.

            That is true, but ultimately the Catholic's limited humble view on knowledge caused the Germans to ape out as ultimately they wanted to do risky occulitism and gain other forms of forbiddon knowledge.

            >gain other forms of forbiddon knowledge.
            That's not humble at all

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            Germans are not a humble people

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            There's some truth to this kek maybe they should change this

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            They can't, it's genetic.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous
          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Disagreement is natural, but it requires humility to listen, comprehend and meditate before attacking.
            Especially when it comes to a philosopher of Saint Augustine's caliber. He is among the all-time greats. Saint Thomas Aquinas attests to this, and only diverges with a lot of respect from him

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            Maybe you should use some of that humility to listen to St. Maximus the Confessor and then read Palamas directly after and realize Palamas is preaching something a saint recognized by the Roman church preached. If you comprehend and meditate on it, without your pride, you might learn Palamas was not an innovator.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Maybe you should use some of that humility to listen to St. Maximus the Confessor
            I tried to, and I found it very curious to learn he had no animosity agains Latin Christians and also accepted the Filioque when he discovered it was so clearly and unanimously accepted in their writings

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            If you read the whole thing and not just snippets from apologetic websites, you'll find he also agrees with Palamas' theology.You'll also note Orthodox agree on the St. Maximus definition of the filioque of "through the Son"

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            I remember hearing that the main thrust of the Filioque controversy was that the wording wasn’t in the original nicene creed, and that the pope shouldn’t misuse his authority to add something to the faith, even if it’s true. It was more a question of how much power the pope has rather than the doctrine of the procession of the spirit itself, since like Maximus pointed out, the Filioque can be read in a way to imply single procession. Much of the later back and forth was post schism

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            If you read the whole thing and not just snippets from apologetic websites, you'll find he also agrees with Palamas' theology.You'll also note Orthodox agree on the St. Maximus definition of the filioque of "through the Son"

            Most Catholics and Orthodox are reasonable-ish about it, it is only the guys calling themselves Thomists or Palmyarists online that you see sperging about the theology

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            >I remember hearing that the main thrust of the Filioque controversy was that the wording wasn’t in the original nicene creed
            This was solved rather easily when the Popes let the Easterners recite the Creed with the original formula, omitting the Filioque

            >and that the pope shouldn’t misuse his authority to add something to the faith, even if it’s true
            This is the problem. The point is the Pope never added anything to the faith. The Filioque formula is found all over the Latin Fathers, but the Easterners will start complaining about it, because they don't want to admit there was something Western Theology got better than Eastern Theology

            While I do agree that we have so much in common (like and

            [...]
            Most Catholics and Orthodox are reasonable-ish about it, it is only the guys calling themselves Thomists or Palmyarists online that you see sperging about the theology

            implied), the two faiths are still fundamentally different. One has to submit to the other, and the Catholic side is definitely not doing it, because we have the Church's traditions backing us

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            Orthodox aren't going to give up the 85 Apostolic Canons and the Quintisext Canons which are pre-schism and backed fully by tradition, which the Catholics reject. Nor are the Orthodox going to accept 14 councils of innovation.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            See? Just as I said. It's basically impossible to talk like this

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Quintisext Canons
            That one which condemned all our traditions, customs and practices.

            Meanwhile, Saint Thomas Aquinas quotes Eastern Fathers with no problem in the Summa.

            It's impossible to have reunification while they hate and despise us

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            Quintisext Canons are ecumenical and predate the Schism by 400 years.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            >One has to submit to the other, and the Catholic side is definitely not doing it,
            Ehhhhh, I can't say this is true. We went in 200 years from pretending they don't exist/are heretics to constantly asking them for theological guidance, John Paul II was related to Orthodox, and it reached a point we almost threw Eastern Rite Catholics under the bus in the 1990s.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah, some Catholics may think like that. Not all of us, though. A lot of us can still see we have fundamental differences that make reconciliation impossible while we finally can come to a doctrinal agreement

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            Said Catholics pushing for this were several Popes though

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah, and, just like that, we go into the tradition vs modernism debacle.

            Quintisext Canons are ecumenical and predate the Schism by 400 years.

            See? lmao no pointing in pretending they're "separate brethren" or anything. They hate us

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            >We want to ERASE their 1500 year old canons that predate when we split
            >They HATE US for not wanting that
            Catholic hypocrisy in action. We'd love for you to again accept these canons

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            We'd love for you to accept and respect our traditions and customs, just like we accept and respect yours

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            >We want to ERASE their 1500 year old canons that predate when we split
            You can keep your traditions for you. They're not ours.

            Once again, we have no problem with you. But you hate us

            PS: even with modernism in the Catholic Church, I can guarantee you there are still parts of the Catholic world where badmouthing the Saint of their local preference will unironically get you at the very least expelled from that place (bc if you don't, people would kill you)

            Ecumenical Canons are Ecumenical. Sorry you can't opt out of Ecumenical Canons. But nice if you followed Canon 20 of the 1st Ecumenical council too. The problem and why it's not some that can be compromised is because Orthodox hold them as infallible and ecumenical. Getting rid of these canons opens the door to reject every other decision made by an Ecumenical Council

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Ecumenical Canons are Ecumenical
            Nice, then try convening one now in your Church lmao

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            >laughing at another Church potentially Schisming
            Why are Catholics on Oyish like this?
            t. Catholic

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            That won't happen, because they can't even have a Council. Whenever someone tries to do it, one of the "autocephalous" Churches refuses to go, and it ceases to be Ecumenical automatically.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            That won't happen, because they can't even have a Council. Whenever someone tries to do it, one of the "autocephalous" Churches refuses to go, and it ceases to be Ecumenical automatically.

            Well we've had our own 4th Constantinople for our 8th Ecumenical Council, and 5th Constantinople in 1351 as a 9th Council which was done long after the Schism. Why hold an Ecumenical Council if there isn't a major heresy that needs to be addressed? A local synod can handle it just find, not everything has to be administered at the highest level.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            >These two are regarded as ecumenical by some in the Orthodox Church but not by other Orthodox Christians, who instead consider them to be important local councils.

            kek lack of authority creates monsters

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            Catholics having this weird need to submit and have an absolute temporal ruler will never not be weird to every other type of christian.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            At least you admit you side with the protestants. There's sincerity in it, I'll give you that

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            Protestants are much closer to Catholics on most doctrines, I was more referencing Orientals, Nestorians, ect. All the guys who broke off very early on never had the need or desire for a central authority either. In the case of the Orientals their communion is tremendously looser and they get along fine. But bringing up the Protestants it seems to imply to 16th century people it was odd too. Anglicans especially make the same arguments the East makes with regards to authority of bishops. Seems the modern Catholic idea was not fully cemented by the time of the reformation.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            >We want to ERASE their 1500 year old canons that predate when we split
            You can keep your traditions for you. They're not ours.

            Once again, we have no problem with you. But you hate us

            PS: even with modernism in the Catholic Church, I can guarantee you there are still parts of the Catholic world where badmouthing the Saint of their local preference will unironically get you at the very least expelled from that place (bc if you don't, people would kill you)

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            That's basically it. Orthodox say the Creed can only be changed in an Ecumenical Council and that's why they refuse to use a creed with the modified phrasing even if they agree.

            [...]
            Most Catholics and Orthodox are reasonable-ish about it, it is only the guys calling themselves Thomists or Palmyarists online that you see sperging about the theology

            No genuine Orthodox person is going to call themselves a Palamist because that's a slur Catholics use to discredit Orthodox positions. Orthodox see Palamas as a direct continuation of the same theology that's always been taught and reach back to people like Maximus as examples.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      >What the Orthodox fail to understand is that they inherited a civilizational model from a decadent civilization
      Considering the state of the modern west this feels like throwing Iron rocks in a glass house
      I don't even disagree with most of your points, but ultimately their decadence made them wither but keep existing while our decadence seems to be faustian and absolutely consuming everythinf

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        The decadence of the West is very similar to theirs. Just look at modern Greece and compare it to Italy, anyway.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        Obviously in modern times both faiths are extremely lax. The orthobros have put divorce and even remarriage into the canons, and the catholic clergy are handing out annulments for free. Russian orthodoxy is a complete potemkin village, with their icons of stalin and synodally allowing contraception. The German bishops are flaunting their heresy by blessing homos. Its chaos on both sides of the schism

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          Both Churches are a mess, I don't disagree with this

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      Is this not more due to the racial nature of Slavs vs Western Europeans?

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        incel post

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          Right because the acknowledgement of racial difference is primarily motivated by having sex.

          Do you really think that the reason that the slavic regions of Europe lagged behind the west is because 'Orthodoxy is degenerate'? Poland and part of the Balkans are not even Orthodox, yet they are far more in step with the Eastern Slavs, as are the Central Slavs.

          Greece is mostly taken out of the equation because they were under Ottoman occupation for centuries.

          You are either some kind of left winger or a woman.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            NTA but Slavs somehow being this huge racial blob is not really true.

            Poles and Germans have the same intelligence scores, but the former lags in industry due to history.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Poles and Germans have the same intelligence scores
            I am afraid I have to doubt that anon. Not that I think that Polish people are stupid, but Germans are more intelligent than them. I am not sure I trust the national IQ tests too much, especially seeing some states essentially try to lie and the score you get when young can be thrown around significantly by how good your schooling is and how involved your parents are. If you have very involved parents who spend time teaching their children other languages, doing flashcard education, putting them into everything they can find to put them in good stead to get into a good school you can score above you peers. Similarly, being around others (school, household, peers) that don't stimulate you at all causes you to score lower than you 'are', when older people that are more intelligent choose to seek out things that stimulate their mind. This levels out once people are adults because everyone finishes off their brain development and people reach their genetic normal.

            Not to say IQ tests are useless, but people use them quite unscientifically. Also, national averages tend to be established on children testing, which is unreliable and advised against by those who run the tests because that is when most tests are done, most adults will never take one. When you understand this you might understand how the modern west that is far more lax in pushing their children than they were 100 years ago, while places like China can be hardcore disciplinarian with theirs have scores that seem off given the history of the people and what is produced by them.

  7. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Thomism
    /thread
    Unironically it creates a lot of headaches for some because of the unholy marriage between Aristotlean man made philosophies and theology

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      The relationship between profane and sacred knowledge only becomes an issue when the sin of pride interferes in these affairs.

      If you think about it, Thomism is an extremely humble way of comprehending human knowledge. This is actually a fundamental difference between Thomism and Palamism: Saint Thomas is satisfied with the limited knowledge human reason is capable of producing. Palamas is more like Faust, who rejected the amount of knowledge he was capable of reaching and wanted more, and more, and more. He was never content with the "analogia entis" theology is: he wanted direct divine wisdom, which is a forbidden book our reason is uncapable of ever reading.

      Catholic theology is profoundly simple and humble at the end of the day. The beatific vision far transcends our capacity for words

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        That is true, but ultimately the Catholic's limited humble view on knowledge caused the Germans to ape out as ultimately they wanted to do risky occulitism and gain other forms of forbiddon knowledge.

  8. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    What do OOs really think about Platonism/Neoplatonism?

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      Not as harsh as their views on Aristotelianism, but they still don't strictly adhere to neither, because they have their own strain (Palamism)

  9. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    >14 posters

  10. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    >in terms of theology/philosophy and science?
    Dont even understand that. Compare Chile and Russia in terms of science

  11. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Orthodoxy cares more about the spiritual experience rather than meticulously trying to figure out at which exact moment the bread and the wine transforms into the body and blood of Christ

  12. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Eastern Europeans are dumb therefore they won't develop anything

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